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The Taint Reaper posted:That being said why hasn't anyone made Brutal Legend clones with refined gameplay. That was an interesting twist to the RTS genre. Make it like a Brutal Legend/Heroes of Might and Magic 2 Hybrid. this already exists, it's called sacrifice and was made back in like 2003 it's p good
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darealkooky posted:this already exists, it's called sacrifice and was made back in like 2003 2000 but yeah i havent played it in years though. idk how it holds up as far as actual strategy, especially later in the game when high level charnel/pyro can pull out those crazy rear end machine gun guys who kill anything in an instant if not shielded and others can do similar things
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Nov 22, 2014 17:24
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its also a lot like herzog zwei on the genesis. airmech is another herzog zwei clone, but it kinda blows now
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Nov 22, 2014 17:29
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Larry Parrish posted:the problem with starcraft 2 is that the 'macro' is just following a checklist of what to build when at the exact second and maybe uhh scouting to see if they aer going to do an early rush or something. the thing i hate is that starcraft is fun if you play it like its supposed to be but then e-sports fags made it into this insane game where building your barracks a second late can be the difference between winning and losing. lol gently caress that. the checklist thing is just to compare how fast you build things vs. someone who is a lot better than you, for example if you have barracks a full minute later than a normal terran player it will tell you what's wrong sc2gears is a cool program that tells you a lot about how you play and i like it i should get sc2 going again and play imp games but i'm lazy and my internet is bad here
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Nov 22, 2014 18:17
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I don't know man, I just make a poo poo ton of marines and thors
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Arian_Samurai posted:I don't know man, I just make a poo poo ton of marines and thors i did a food cap of marines and gave them stims and ran them at my friend's protoss base right into a fuckin' psionic storm and i don't think i have ever felt so owned in an rts
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Nov 22, 2014 18:25
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where is battlezone 3 or maybe uprising 3 or urban assault 2
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Extra posted:esports
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Nov 22, 2014 18:46
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RTS games have changed alot since the Command & Conquer days. I miss the days of just building a poo poo-ton of tanks and just tossing them at the enemy base. Most new RTS games don't even let you build bases anymore.  Homeworld owns though.
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Nov 22, 2014 18:53
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myth 3 wasn't as good as myth 2, the Best RTS, thus dooming the entire genre thereafter to the fail fever.
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Nov 22, 2014 19:47
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I have to echo that there really hasn't been anything up to the Homeworld 1 standard since it came out. I gotta give Time of Defiance a shoutout though just for being an interesting twist, even if it was crude ugly and clunky I liked what they tried for a spell
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tranime scholar posted:what went wrong with RTS games is that they don't make AoE or RoN games anymore OP WC3 was pretty dope, probably the best RTS ever made after AoE2. Mostly because of funny things you could do like tower rush, shaman rush, high-perch, and other things. Company of Heroes was a lot of fun, probably the last recent RTS I had fun with, but... :relic: Xaris fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Nov 22, 2014 |
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Nov 22, 2014 20:06
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what if it wasn't rts games that went wrong... it was us...
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I think like a lot of other dying genres, people were drawn to it for a lot of different reasons and other genres have sprung up to scratch their itch without the other stuff they don't like. Like if you liked building bases, controlling armies, collecting resources, long cliche stories, or the specific aesthetic of a starcraft or warcraft, but not how it all came together with a focus on apm and micro, you probably found other games to play.
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The Taint Reaper posted:That being said why hasn't anyone made Brutal Legend clones with refined gameplay. That was an interesting twist to the RTS genre. Make it like a Brutal Legend/Heroes of Might and Magic 2 Hybrid. it was called sacrifice and it came out before brutal legend
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What went wrong is they never released an Endwar 2
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the best rts' don't have base building. they are myth the fallen lords games. soullesssnypa4lyfe
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Real hurthling! posted:the best rts' don't have base building. they are myth the fallen lords games. soullesssnypa4lyfe
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Nov 23, 2014 07:07
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bungee went all in on the wrong ip.
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i miss red alert 2 but im pretty sure nobody else on earth really knew how to play it
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Nov 23, 2014 07:33
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I wonder how often the Blizzard boys look at Starcraft 2's numbers, then at the combined numbers of LoL and DOTA 2, which only exist because of Warcraft 3, and weep with despair at what they let get away for free.
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Real hurthling! posted:bungee went all in on the wrong ip. I... I thought I was the only one who felt this way.
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01011001 posted:2000 but yeah i don't think you'd ever know by playing the single player game since the actual strategy elements only tend to emerge by playing against human opponents a lot it is a really really good game though. earthworm james and pyro are my boys
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Real hurthling! posted:the best rts' don't have base building. they are myth the fallen lords games. soullesssnypa4lyfe i'm going to murder you with flaming arrows & mortar dwarves
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Real hurthling! posted:bungee went all in on the wrong ip. before it was a third person tactical shooter, pre-halo was a modern military RTS true story
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Top Bunk Wanker posted:I wonder how often the Blizzard boys look at Starcraft 2's numbers, then at the combined numbers of LoL and DOTA 2, which only exist because of Warcraft 3, and weep with despair at what they let get away for free. still not as funny as games workshop giving up like 90% of their potential revenue stream by not licensing their IP to blizzard lol
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Neurosis posted:i don't think you'd ever know by playing the single player game since the actual strategy elements only tend to emerge by playing against human opponents a lot yeah thats fair. i dont mind saying i only really played single player though because the single player was really really good
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Larry Parrish posted:the problem with starcraft 2 is that the 'macro' is just following a checklist of what to build when at the exact second and maybe uhh scouting to see if they aer going to do an early rush or something. the thing i hate is that starcraft is fun if you play it like its supposed to be but then e-sports fags made it into this insane game where building your barracks a second late can be the difference between winning and losing. lol gently caress that. macro turned Starcraft into a game of economy where expansion and map control actually matter and you can have a war instead of a skirmish. sc2 still sucks ofc. They probably should've made it a larger scale game with like a 600 food cap where you need to expand even more to make up for macro and micro being easier
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eSports Chaebol posted:macro turned Starcraft into a game of economy where expansion and map control actually matter and you can have a war instead of a skirmish. sc2 still sucks ofc. They probably should've made it a larger scale game with like a 600 food cap where you need to expand even more to make up for macro and micro being easier you're pissy about the food cap but you want a higher food cap
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Endorph posted:dawn of war is the best rts
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Endorph posted:dawn of war is the best rts The first one was cool then they hosed the second one up.
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Mr.Unique-Name posted:The first one was cool then they hosed the second one up. DoW2 was an interesting experiment with some fun things but yeah. I miss the base-building from the first one and the scale of combat was much smaller with tinier WC3-like skirmishes.
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GreaseMonkey posted:What went wrong is they never released an Endwar 2 get hosed
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dow2's buildings are WAY too chufty but it's a fun game dow1 is gloriously broken
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GreaseMonkey posted:What went wrong is they never released an Endwar 2 Theres a f2p Endwar coming out soon.
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gently caress trophy 2k14 posted:get hosed Endwar was good. Sorry
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How could they make another one if the war ended. Think about it.
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gary oldmans diary posted:i miss red alert 2 ra2 was amazing. best units in an rts ever
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Top Bunk Wanker posted:I wonder how often the Blizzard boys look at Starcraft 2's numbers, then at the combined numbers of LoL and DOTA 2, which only exist because of Warcraft 3, and weep with despair at what they let get away for free. nah theyre all hi5-ing each other because heroes of the storm is gonna kill both of those at the same time
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AMooseDoesStuff posted:nah theyre all hi5-ing each other because heroes of the storm is gonna kill both of those at the same time
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