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goatface posted:Take the Suez. Both senses. Alternatively, run the gauntlet of Gibraltar and be part of whatever German convoy shows up in the game. Also include the Vichy fleet for a giant Axis expeditionary flotilla.
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Alternatively, forge the northeast passage. Battleships make good icebreakers, right?
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Grey Hunter posted:Whoever has the Prince of Wales. We are sorry. Please have your second post the video of your ritual suicide. Please attempt to make all three cuts to satisfy honour. I am pretty much asking for it, to be fair. Now I'm just waiting for some suitably heroic submarine to emerge so I can sink in that, too.
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   We see our first surface combat of the war today, as a couple of American destroyers tangle with one of our invasion fleets. The Americans pursue hard and get some early hits in, but we manage to cause engine damage to the USS Pope and the enemy are forced to break off after our ships begin to pursue them!  One of our nearby surface combat task forces moves to intercept, but cannot get any more hits in.  They don't give up however, and give chase.  Clark Field continues to be well defended.   We hit the Wake airfield again.  Then begin to land troops.  The men assault and overrun the enemies defences, but at high cost.  Troops also land on Nauru Island.  There are only 77 soldiers defending this island, but they put up a good fight, giving as good as they get before being overrun.   An attack on Georgetown goes wrong.  We hold off an attack on our support ships.  The first land battle against the British forces is a victory, we destroy a huge number of enemy troops and an entire unit surrenders.   I'm getting a little worried at the rate we are losing planes – I'm hoping they fog of war is in full effect, otherwise we are seeing a heavy loss rate in the first days! On the plus side, The allies ground losses jump today and we took several more bases. The pace of the assault is speeding up!  Still on the aircraft losses, we have already empties the pools of Sally's and Babs'm and will be out of Nates in the next few days.  I order the expansion of the Maebashi Nell factory and the Nagoya Betty factory. The only other thing I do is begin planning for an assault on Rabaul. Grey Hunter fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Dec 11, 2014 |
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Grey Hunter posted:The only other thing I do is begin planning for an assault on Rabaul. AFAIK, the Japanese landing bonus means you can land without disruption anywhere until Mar 31, 1942, so the need for planning is reduced (but technically not eliminated completely since there's still benefit when engaging in land combat in a planned-for hex)
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Can you coup the Army leadership and unite all of Nippon's armed forces under the glorious banner of the IJN?
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Producing Bettys and Nells side by side is hugely wasteful, switch the Nell factory to Bettys.
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gradenko_2000 posted:AFAIK, the Japanese landing bonus means you can land without disruption anywhere until Mar 31, 1942, so the need for planning is reduced (but technically not eliminated completely since there's still benefit when engaging in land combat in a planned-for hex) I know, the planning is mainly there to cover the time it will take to get the carriers on station to provide support. While I may get a landing bonus, I don't get a air support bonus! See, I learned a few things from the last thread. ArchangeI posted:Producing Bettys and Nells side by side is hugely wasteful, switch the Nell factory to Bettys. Good point, I shall do this forthwith!
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Grey, is it possible that you're plane losses this early in the game are the result of not adjusting the altitude sliders for your flight groups?
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Did you remember to adjust the fuel blend to account for winter weather?
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Good luck with Singapore. In Steinnroken's game that turned into Sinyang for him.
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Another four year long LP?? Grey, you're completely insane, and i love it 
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Those 77 engineers and support staff did surprisingly well.
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Woo! I apparently have the dubious honor of having the first lucky ship death. Truth be told, I meant to pick the Warspite but got it mixed up with the Repulse while totally forgetting where that ship happens to be sailing on Dec. 7  Dreamsicle posted:Good luck with Singapore. In Steinnroken's game that turned into Sinyang for him. I think that was mainly because he was playing on hard difficulty which basically lets the AI cheat a bit when it comes to supply. The game's land model is mainly limited to a logistics simulation, and what happened in Singapore is the consequence. Not to say that an Allied player can't hold onto the city. I played a campaign (Scenario 1, Allies, normal difficulty) where I used my carriers to give me time to reinforce Java and Sumatra, allowing me to ferry supplies from Palembang to Singapore with cheap cargo ships evacuated from the Philippines, Hong Kong, etc. A few thousand tons of supply can keep that place going for a while, and those cargo ships are only worth two or three victory points a piece. Easily worth it, if you can live with sending those poor ship captains to their deaths.
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When I played War Plan Orange I usually bypassed Wake and just went straight to Midway before it could be built up. Is that viable in this version?
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Am I the only one that uses planning primarily to remind myself where the gently caress I was planning on shipping this random engineering battalion?
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Arbite posted:When I played War Plan Orange I usually bypassed Wake and just went straight to Midway before it could be built up. Is that viable in this version?  I think Midway is reachable by B-17s from Pearl, so that might be a problem in this version uPen posted:Am I the only one that uses planning primarily to remind myself where the gently caress I was planning on shipping this random engineering battalion? Seriously though yes.
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uPen posted:Am I the only one that uses planning primarily to remind myself where the gently caress I was planning on shipping this random engineering battalion? This. Especially when I get a large batch of units or in hubs like SF, PH and Noumea.
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Yippee!!! It has begun again!!! I'll claim the IJN Mikuma. In every miniatures game I've ever played she has pulled me through. To the point that many people who play against me fear her if she's there. Grey Hunter posted:
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I have absolutely no idea what's going on but I hear this is going to be an epic LP so I'm following. A bit difficult for a guy who knows next to nothing about the Pacific war or WITP but here's hoping it'll all become clear. (Questions like "where is this place" and "why is it important" or "what happened to the ship and is it bad" are what's currently bugging me.)
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Ask the questions. A lot of us have done this once before, but I imagine a lot of those started pretty clueless (like I did) and have learnt more than they ever need to.
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Ugnnn... this game is on sale right now so you can actually get it for a non-insane price. I have to remind myself that I absolutely don't have room in my life for it.
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Boutique grognard prices are bad, but if you're going to spend hundreds of hours playing the drat thing, it's not too onerous.
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markus_cz posted:I have absolutely no idea what's going on but I hear this is going to be an epic LP so I'm following. A bit difficult for a guy who knows next to nothing about the Pacific war or WITP but here's hoping it'll all become clear. I knew nothing about Pacific War nor WitP but the previous thread along with Elentor's still ongoing FFVII LP made me register. Now I know enough to never visit Enittewkotewetotko... that atoll in real life AND make fun of old Japanese battleship superstructures.
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Istvun posted:Did you remember to adjust the fuel blend to account for winter weather? I can never tell whether these mechanic tidbits are jokes or not.
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Well I have a question, never having played this game. Consider this picture for example: Why are there only four Wildcats accounted for in the picture, but eleven in the battle report? What do these numbers signify?
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Theantero posted:Well I have a question, never having played this game. Consider this picture for example: A whole animation plays out during the combat. You see all the attacking planes initially. The defending planes arrive over time as standby aircraft are launched to help out the CAP. As they combat goes, you see messages about planes shooting each other down, or suffering some mechanical or morale difficulty and returning to base. So the number of aircraft will usually dwindle over time. Eventually the attacking planes break through and you go to a ground animation where you bomb the airfield or port or whatever. Grey has just taken a screenshot midway through. Also, there is a fog of war in the combat reports (and I think the animations, but I'm not %100 sure about that), so the numbers aren't exactly accurate and the two don't match up. Since the same reports are viewed by both players, the fog or war exists even for your own planes. Edit: The game also simulates the time to climb to altitude for the arriving planes, the altitude advantages or one plane against another, and the performance of different aircraft in different altitude bands. There is a also a detection distance for the incoming raid. You can improve this by having one or more radars or human observers at the base that is being attacked. The farther out the raid is detected, the more CAP aircraft are able to make it to the battle in time. There's a lot to it, little of which is explained in the manual. I haven't even mentioned getting your aircraft to arrive over the target at the same time. pthighs fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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I think (though cannot be sure) that 11 planes started defending, but most were forced to break off due to damage or ran out of ammunition and withdrew. That image shows the last "turn" of the battle.
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Yeah, that explains it quite well. Thanks.
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Rulebook Heavily posted:I can never tell whether these mechanic tidbits are jokes or not. Neither can I.
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I claim HMS Vengeance as my lucky ship.
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This thread made me reinstall this game. The last thread made me buy it, but I could never wrap my head around it. Now though, I started messing with the Aleutian Island scenario, which I think is smaller than the guadalcanal scenario that made me stop playing last time, and I finally understand how the game works. Also I can't pick a ship e: any other good small scenarios to help get me started? eee: how do I get my ships to auto return to station after refueling and rearming? Gay Hitler fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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Welp, back on the ground floor of another multi-year campaign. I'm excited. What's the largest IJN ship that hasn't been claimed yet? I'll take that.
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It also breaks down from global combat view to individual fighter/warship duels.
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Friar John posted:Welp, back on the ground floor of another multi-year campaign. I'm excited. The Shinano is huge, and hasn't been claimed yet. It also probably won't be showing up, since Grey canceled the build order.
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gradenko_2000 posted:On Dec 7, the Japanese have: Also, maybe I've missed it but has Grey Hunter talked about their R&D plan?
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Can you build the Super Yamato battleships? If so build those.
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Oh hey, this has returned. Kind of a pity that :gh: never became a smilie. I'll take USS Yorktown II as my lucky ship.
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NGDBSS posted:Oh hey, this has returned. Kind of a pity that :gh: never became a smilie. It was attempted, but you can't really crush the croctopus down that small and still have it look like anything.
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Gay Hitler posted:This thread made me reinstall this game. The last thread made me buy it, but I could never wrap my head around it. Now though, I started messing with the Aleutian Island scenario, which I think is smaller than the guadalcanal scenario that made me stop playing last time, and I finally understand how the game works. Once upon a time, I wrote a tutorial for War in the Pacific: http://lpix.org/sslptest/index.php?id=17472 To address your question directly: You can use the "Set TF Routing" button to set a patrol zone. Click a target hex (or hexes) and the ship will sail back and forth from that point, to the base, rearm and refuel, then sail back. I would recommend checking up on ships doing this every so often as they're going to pick up minor systems damage just from sailing and I believe they might not undergo their upgrades while you're doing this. I also would not recommend doing it for capital ships or other high-profile TFs. Mirificus posted:What classes are the CVs that are under construction in that scenario? In order of appearance (again, this is for the Ironman scenario): CVL Zuiho - Zuiho class with 48/48 planes CVL Chiyoda - Chitose class* with 45/45 planes CVL Shoho - Zuiho class with 48/48 planes CVL Nisshin - Chitose class with 30/45 planes CVL Honshu - Ryujo class with 54/48** planes CVL Kyushu - Ryujo class with 54/48 planes CVL Hokkaido - Ryujo class with 54/48 planes CVL Shikoku - Ryujo class with 54/48 planes CVL Akaryu - Chitose class with 30/45 planes CVL Ryuho - Ryuho class with 0/48*** planes CVL Ibuki - Ibuki class with 48/48 planes CV Chiho - Junyo class with 72/72 planes CV Junyo - Junyo class with 72/72 planes CV Hiyo - Junyo class with 55/72 planes CV Surugu - Taiho class with 72/96 planes CV Shiyo - Junyo class with 54/72 planes CV Taiho - Taiho class with 96/96 planes CV Shinano - Taiho class**** with 96/96 planes CV Unryu - Unryu class with 81/81 planes CV Katsuragi - Unryu class with 81/81 planes CV Echigo - Taiho class with 72/96 planes CV Settsu - Shinano class with 54/47 planes CV Amagi - Unryu class with 81/81 planes ***** CV Kasagi - Unryu class with 81/81 planes CV Aso - Unryu class with 81/81 planes CV Ikoma - Unryu class with 81/81 planes CVE Unyo - Taiyo class with 12/27 planes CVE Chuyo - Taiyo class with 12/27 planes CVE Kaiyo - Kaiyo class with 12/24 planes CVE Shinyo - Shinyo class with 12/33 planes CVE Yamashiro Maru - Yamashiro Maru class with 18/24 planes CVE Shimane Maru - Shimane Maru class with 18/24 planes CVE Otakisan Maru - Shimane Maru class with 18/24 planes CVE Chigusa Maru - Yamashiro Maru class with 18/24 planes * Historically, the Chitose class starts off as light cruisers that the Japanese player needs to convert to CVLs. This scenario starts them off as already converted and with their own organic airwings ** There is a "bug" with this ship where the Ryujo only has a maximum aircraft capacity of 48 planes, but the size of the airwings exceeds it. Thus, the ship can't execute flight ops until the air wings are resized or the ship gets upgraded. First time I saw this was in the Allied Ironman scenario where the USS Enterprise has a 95 plane air wing when she can only fly 90 until a later upgrade *** It might have been an oversight that this one does not have its own organic air wing **** That's not a typo. The Shinano here is a Taiho class to reflect that the Shinano suuuuucked. Also, it arrives on-map (does not need to be constructed!) on Apr 1 1943 ***** The Amagi completes normal construction by Aug 12 1944. The other 3 carriers after it complete construction in May-Jun 1945. The 11 other carriers before the Amagi are all constructed or arrive on-map by 1943 or earlier
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