Roman posted:

https://twitter.com/LukeWasRight/status/542048687749218304

"There is neither a "new level 31 hard VoG," nor a "third difficulty for VoG" in The Dark Below."

(He's the designer of VoG)

Tomahawk posted:

*defends the retarded exotic upgrade design decisions that Bungie will fix in a few weeks like a bitchmade nerd*

Linx posted:

Is the new faction gear there to push past L30 or is it comparable with the VoG set?

victrix posted:

Earthy Ape Unit posted:

I've seen this so many times in other contexts.

Bungie didn't realize what it had when it was working under the Microsoft aegis (aka doesn't give a gently caress, lets you do your thing without direct "shareholder" (aka upper management's focus on hitting it bonus and/or carveout plans) pressure).

plape tickler posted:

So vanguard armor is basically pointless unless you want to hit 31 before raiding.

plape tickler posted:

Have they said if the raid helmet only drops in hard mode again? Also a full set of raid gear light level 36 will only = level 32? Is there an explanation of the new light levels somewhere?

mbottoms posted:

Got through the first section on CE with some fine goons. We're going out of our way to maintain our ignorance so I haven't been keeping up with the thread since the expac. As a result I don't know if anyone has mentioned how astoundingly useful bladedancers are for CE phase 1. This makes me so very happy.

ROJO posted:

you definitely have to kill the gatekeepers. We found that if the person who grabbed the sword didn't kill the corresponding gatekeeper or get them down to pretty much a 1 HKO, it was a wipe. They are immune to non-sword damage. Each person who runs across the bridge with the sword has to kill a gatekeeper (or die valiantly with enough time that someone else who has already made it over can pick up the sword from their fuming corpse and finish the gatekeeper off). We found the Titan blind grenades do a great job of keeping the gatekeepers busy so the swordbearer can murder them safely. Once we started sending a titan across as the first swordbearer, it went pretty smoothly once we got into the rythm.

NAT KING SWOLE posted:

VoG still drops exotics with old stats and atheon is still bugged to poo poo but I guess I should have expected that.

Santas Ainol Elf posted:

Are you that anxious to get the shaders and emblems? It's been less than 24 hours and just from running her bounties, I'm a level 1.

You won't even need the Shards and Energies until you've 1) gotten gear for it, and 2) leveled that gear to where it needs the materials. That could take weeks or months worth of raiding to get that gear.

FishBulb posted:

Oh. I just assumed it didn't

Its Miller Time posted:

So legendary VoG weapons will be useless eventually? Sucks, just got Hezen Vengeance.

Also you should all solo run the first chest in the new raid. Took 1 wipe for it to be there at the first door on the left.

absolomb posted:

It's pretty easy to finish that bounty just running the nightfall regularly though. I think I finished it halfway through the strike because of all the majors that show up.

Calaveron posted:

Yeah, marks and cloaks and bonds.
Are motes used for anything other than that?

xzzy posted:

Well currently you can get the first chest in the raid without killing a single enemy. Drop into the hell mouth, run to the left wall and scoop up the chest in the little cubby behind the door. If it's not there die to thralls and try again. Do it on all three characters for easy shards.

If you really wanted to cheese it hardcore, start a new character, play until you unlock the moon and open the chest. Dump materials in vault, delete character, repeat until you puke.

WE DOIN IT NOW posted:

Yea I already did this on all 3 characters. Got 2 energy and 2 of the class items. Cleared up to Crota in the raid and ended up with 7 shards. Enough to upgrade my raid chest piece once. Unless Crota drops another 7 I'm not sure how we upgrade these things in a reasonable time period.

Meanwhile I've got 199 ascendant energy and 148 asc shards doing a fat lot of jack poo poo in my bank. Oh and they're still giving me more of these things in nightfalls, dailies, and events. Awesome.

bloodychill posted:

It is a garbage fight where if you're playing on harder modes you won't even actually see the boss too because staying the boss room is inviting a clusterfuck onto yourself.

While overall the patch really improves the experience of the game, I think it's fair to be disappointed that there are absolutely no new enemy types. Not even really variations on the old types, either, just reskins.

Butt Soup Barnes posted:

Are you sure that's more efficient than the new strike playlist? IIRC you only get 1800xp per match.

bringer posted:

Why does it say trial edition in the upper left corner when he loads in from orbit?

Is he on a hacked PS3 using the demo to prevent getting his real account banned?

Harlock posted:

Buy and shard exotics every week too.

sunday at work posted:

The biggest problem with the raid drops is that other games fixed the same problems long ago. Just have tokens drop instead of gear (no more dups and never getting that last piece) and have marks awarded for each checkpoint (so you can buy waht doesn't drop after putting in some time). I'm not a programmer but that has got to be easier than a "tunned" or whatever RNG.

Akuma posted:

I got a purple MG almost immediately after firing up the Dark Below content (Against All Odds) and it seems to fire through the knight barriers. Why is that? Is that an effect of solar damage or what?

Crowbear posted:

I've never had a problem killing the gatekeeper by just spamming R1. If you do it right it should just chain stagger him and he'll die without ever getting an attack in.

Rama of Ra posted:

Can you still get the first VoG chest solo? I'm trying to get some shards quick to pop my warlock to 30.

Its Miller Time posted:

Took 3 hours but we took down Crota with the goon group. A few things we learned:

1. It's again seriously all about the timing. The sword carrier should be there before he begins the kneeling animation.
2. We ended up going with all R2/smash. Each hit does 14.3k damage. In a good round you do 3 and in a great round you do 4. He has 250k health so you need 18 smash's to down him. So if you get a solid 3 in each go, with 2 go's per sword, that's 12. He had like 20% health going into into the ogres the first time.
3. No reason to get greedy. His shield recharges before he even begins to stand up.
4. We waited for him to move back to the middle from right. It's about repeatable timing, you only need 3 swords if you can get 3 smash's each time twice.
5. Some times there was a shitload of knights/exploding thralls on left as we got back from ogres. We had heavy's out.
6. It's important the sword carrier run backwards kiting the swordbearer so you can all quickly kill him together, he loves to hide. It requires trust from the sword carrier that you're clearing the thralls around him.

The sword carrier makes the raid. If he can't consistently get at least 3 smash's in you won't do it. We found 2 uppercut combos was impossible to get off in time. Plus if you can't do the last move, the smash, you're doing way less damage.

Bandire posted:

Wait really? Newly dropped purple engrams can still produce pre-expansion legendaries? Did you get it in VOG or something?

Alman posted:

This is like 3 pages old so maybe someone has made this suggestion, but if Bungie is committed to their "radiant" currency, VoG drops should dismantle into radiant materials

Coca Koala posted:

Found a video of some people two-manning crota.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdTwCa6ozbI

As far as I can tell, the big thing to do is to kill the swordbearer quickly. I've been in a few groups who have tried to stay on the left, and it seems like we invariably wipe when we do that; we burn thirty seconds to a minute just waiting for the swordbearer to mosey his way over to us before we kill him. It may be more successful to designate a couple people who's job it is to just go into the center and gently caress him up promptly so you can get started on the first kneel right away.

Holding the center as opposed to the left side seems like a better plan as well, because then you're right there when the swordbearer spawns. If I can get into a raid tonight, I'll try to push for this and we'll see how it goes. Anecdotally, the one group I was in that beat Crota really smoothly held the center and it only took us a few tries to get it.

RCarr posted:

This should be in the OP. This is the proper response to the complaints. Of course, unfortunately, this makes you a piece of poo poo bungie apologist rear end-licker.

Levantine posted:

I still wonder how much of the problem stems from Bungie or Activision. Bungie made a solid core shooter but it's wrapped in so many bad design decisions it's hard to really figure out where the problems begin. I wonder how much of it is Activision pushing Bungie towards some inevitable freemium model.

Earthy Ape Unit posted:

Evidence of bungie being terrible is not necessarily that that bug exists and has existed for so long (although it is evidence of bad coding practices most likely) it's that they simply haven't switched or removed that perk on all the high end gear.

Seriously wtf, just disable the loving perk

xzzy posted:

Except the game is kind of built around dying a lot. It happens all the time unless you're doing trivial content, and bugs that penalize it further than going back to a checkpoint should have been fixed months ago.