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Part of the Fermi paradox: either we will grow outward and explore solar systems, or say gently caress it and create a virtual reality. quote:Another possibility is that technological civilizations invariably experience a technological singularity and attain a posthuman (or more properly, post-biological) character. Beings that divest themselves of physical form, create massive artificial virtual environments, transfer themselves into these environments through mind uploading, and exist totally within virtual worlds, ignoring the external physical universe. Recently: researchers demonstrated noninvasive brain-to-brain communication using binary and an interface to translate the signals and send them over the Internet to the receiver, who had the information beamed into his brain. http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0105225 One said "hola" and the other said "ciao" over thousands of miles with no verbal or bodily input aside from "thinking of up and down" If our brains are wired just differently enough, we could never read each other's minds because the information would be too different. Like giving vision to someone who was born blind. It would be nonsense to their brain. Using an interface to translate the signals to be readable by anyone though, that's a key thing. Sufficiently developed technology... In the future could create perfect virtual reality worlds, where augmenting your physical body would be unnecessary and when you died, you could have your virtual self uploaded to the reality we created and live forever in your own personal heaven. This is similar to the singularity faith based idea that we will be saved by a robot in the future. I think the biggest thing is that scientific faith / research is something that a person can pursue and help bring to fruition while religion based faith is the same thing. Why explore Europa when we can just create a perfect version of it? If it's impossible to ever travel faster than light, even using space bending warp drives, why bother? Another guy theorizes that we eventually create our own black hole in order to freeze time in place from our frame of reference and become immortal in that way. Essentially, there will be a choice within the next 500 years: Augment the body and create medical/technological immortality using bionic implants and explore the universe with warp drives Or Create a virtual matrix and live forever inside of it, mortal or dead, you live on.
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# ? Mar 19, 2024 05:23 |
we're going to die on this rock. next question edit: like for real neither of those technoutopian things is going to happen. we're going to choke to death on co2 fumes in the ruins of our once-great cities about 50 years after the last brown people in the 3rd world do the same
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 19:07 |
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My main goal in life is to build a really nice monument to myself that explains that I wasn't nearly as dumb as all the other fuckers so that one day alien explorers from a much better species can discover it and think "well this guy wasn't so bad".
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 19:11 |
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Your Dead Gay Son posted:Create a virtual matrix and live forever inside of it, mortal or dead, you live on. it would be great to see the first person somehow copied into a purely virtual world for the sake of immortality and watching the look of horror on his face while he watches the new virtual entity experiencing things and sees the medical assistant entering the room with a needle for him so the process will be complete someone should write this into a short story it sounds like the kind of shallow garbage the singularity crowd would eat up youll probably make a million dollars
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 19:20 |
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gary oldmans diary posted:ship of theseus is the only way -you have to transition by existing in both worlds at the same time and gradually moving to the virtual otherwise its not you Yes I meant to imply it would have to be a ship of Theseus method. Same for making an immortal brain. We'd have to replace one neuron with an immortal version for one at a time.
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 19:23 |
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professor shark im looking in your direction
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 19:23 |
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I mean that's what your actual body does
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 19:24 |
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gary oldmans diary posted:professor shark im looking in your direction Yeah dude gently caress futile attempts at immortality it's all about who looks good when the Vulcan's show up. I'm going to lie out my rear end, saying that I tried to stop Climate Change and Nuclear Aggression but that my attempts were met with scorn and ridicule so I submitted myself to a life of solitude on some distant coast, forsaking humanity. I'm almost positive that aliens would be down with that poo poo, just gotta collect enough iron or something.
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 19:26 |
Your Dead Gay Son posted:Yes I meant to imply it would have to be a ship of Theseus method. Same for making an immortal brain. We'd have to replace one neuron with an immortal version for one at a time.
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 19:29 |
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humanity as a whole hasn't advanced at all. anyone who thinks that cybernetics or whatever is going to create a galaxy or matrix full of immortal poors is retarded whether or not your wealthy masters expand to the stars or retreat into silicon in 1000 years, your children will be there to feed the machines and their bodies will be recycled when they die
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 19:32 |
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Professor Shark posted:Yeah dude gently caress futile attempts at immortality it's all about who looks good when the Vulcan's show up. I'm going to lie out my rear end, saying that I tried to stop Climate Change and Nuclear Aggression but that my attempts were met with scorn and ridicule so I submitted myself to a life of solitude on some distant coast, forsaking humanity. but iron no way i doubt theres anything specific materially worth the trip to earth outside of the sheer quantity in a fortunately placed orbit around a star for any species that likes water
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 19:32 |
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If we ever do achieve immortality can you imagine all the shitheads we'd have as immortals and all the great people that we wouldn't?
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 19:32 |
Novo posted:humanity as a whole hasn't advanced at all. anyone who thinks that cybernetics or whatever is going to create a galaxy or matrix full of immortal poors is retarded eat the rich while there's meat on their bones or learn to draw sustenance from the cables powering their cybernetic sky-paradise
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 19:34 |
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End Of Worlds posted:we're going to die on this rock. next question There's not enough carbon in known fossil fuel deposits to raise the atmospheric concentration high enough to "choke" on. Climate change is problems in the parts-per-million range. Oxygen, on the other hand is several parts per ten. Also, "once great cities".
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 19:47 |
ikanreed posted:There's not enough carbon in known fossil fuel deposits to raise the atmospheric concentration high enough to "choke" on. paging dr. pedant, dr. literal pedant to the thread
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 19:51 |
We're actually all already there op. Existence is a near perfect simulation of reality. The difference is we're all criminals and our crimes were so grand we've been sentenced into the most terrible reality our brains can comprehend.
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 19:51 |
darth vader tried to conquer outer space but yoda explored inner space
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 19:58 |
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MegaGatts posted:We're actually all already there op. Existence is a near perfect simulation of reality. The difference is we're all criminals and our crimes were so grand we've been sentenced into the most terrible reality our brains can comprehend. Is this a movie? If not it should be
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 20:01 |
Novo posted:Is this a movie? If not it should be IDK, but the idea of something like a big matrix of computers linked together creating a reality for the unaware sounds good. Keeping them all trapped in a dark city of vice and malaise.
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 20:02 |
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Clipperton posted:darth vader tried to conquer outer space That was Dennis Quaid not Yoda.
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 20:05 |
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End Of Worlds posted:paging dr. pedant, dr. literal pedant to the thread lol you make a bitch post that's proven wrong and then you make another bitch post to try and recover bitch
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 20:06 |
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whichever one you dislike and think would suck more, is the one that's going to happen
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 20:09 |
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Being concerned with 'humanity' and not just yourself is one of the silliest things you can do.
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 20:12 |
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the technological singularity has already occurred and we are all trapped inside it and it is tumblr dot com, goodbye stars
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 20:17 |
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what kind of noob divests themselves of physical form
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MegaGatts posted:IDK, but the idea of something like a big matrix of computers linked together creating a reality for the unaware sounds good. Keeping them all trapped in a dark city of vice and malaise. I meant a good movie
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 20:35 |
Novo posted:I meant a good movie Dark city owned, but it wasn't with computers so i guess it doesn't count.
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 20:40 |
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We're just gonna pump the universe for a bit until we cum, and then roll off it and take a nap.
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 20:42 |
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MegaGatts posted:Dark city owned, but it wasn't with computers so i guess it doesn't count. The Thirteenth Floor sucked tho
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 20:43 |
Novo posted:The Thirteenth Floor sucked tho yeah. the twist was really stupid.
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 20:44 |
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the metaphorical boner of humanity will extend to the furthest reaches of the galaxy imho
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 21:10 |
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we need to go to space so we can find hot alien chicks imo
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 21:21 |
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Feranon posted:we need to go to space so we can find hot alien chicks imo and gently caress them
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 21:21 |
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I thought that was implied but yes thank you for spelling it out
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 21:25 |
God, can you just imagine. A hot alien babe with her gaping mucus oozing pseudopods all over her back as she scurries about on her six legs. Her face a collection of light collecting disks of silicone, suddenly you mount her. She makes the mating call of her race in an octave unhearable to man. Then after your finish she engulfs you in her external amniotic sack so you can feed your mixed species babies.
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 21:31 |
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You never know with hot alien chicks. Maybe they just wanted to borrow the use of a printer you happened to carry to their home planet in the hopes of a hug.
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MegaGatts posted:God, can you just imagine. A hot alien babe with her gaping mucus oozing pseudopods all over her back as she scurries about on her six legs. Her face a collection of light collecting disks of silicone, suddenly you mount her. She makes the mating call of her race in an octave unhearable to man. Then after your finish she engulfs you in her external amniotic sack so you can feed your mixed species babies. kinky
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 21:52 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permutation_City Here's your inward scenario. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Fire_Upon_the_Deep http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Deepness_in_the_Sky And here's your outward scenario. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road And here's the more likely "world is ending" scenario. Honestly, it's really a toss up. At least in Star Trek they thought we'd be doing both simulating and hot alien chicks at the same time.
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# ? Dec 20, 2014 23:26 |
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gary oldmans diary posted:ship of theseus is the only way -you have to transition by existing in both worlds at the same time and gradually moving to the virtual otherwise its not you This is basically the plot to the Otherland series. It's pretty hilarious when all these super smart oligarchs realize that their awesome immortality plan was vague on the most important point.
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# ? Dec 21, 2014 01:12 |
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I don't see why the two are mutually exclusive. I mean it takes a long time to get to other planets we'll want some vr action along the way.
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