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theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Error 404 posted:

Too late, RIFTS exists.

Doing literal millions of damage and having massive untouchable HP pools is really more of a Synnibarr thing.

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theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Error 404 posted:

Too late, Synnibarr exists.

Never have I wanted a t-shirt more.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

clockworkjoe posted:

I legit want a t shirt of that raccoon holding a bazooka and looking at his watch. That is the best thing to come out of Synnibarr.

It is amazing. I'm partial to the Lemmy gnome firing a tree laser myself. Or the 80s underboob viking that is somehow called an Amazon.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

It's late and I made a thing


Well poo poo, now I guess I have to get a job.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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Kai Tave posted:

Really, it's perfect that he brings up oldschool point-and-click adventure games as a counterexample for why fail-forward is for social justice whinetards or whatever because adventure games are more or less the literal opposite of fail-forward gaming. If you don't know the one specific puzzle solution involving making a moustache out of cat hair in order to progress then the game just grinds to a halt until you brute force your way through it. There's a reason adventure games are a mostly dead genre these days and it's because people largely got tired of poo poo like that.

D'awww someone's played Gabriel Knight 3.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Isn't the reason something like Deathwatch is 60 bucks that it's all you need to play, where 5th ultimately requires something like 90-120 bucks before you're playing?

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

moths posted:

People will pay $90 - $120 for D&D.

Ah, I just read the guy wrong. I read 5th as 5th edition D&D and not 5th edition Call of Cthuhlu.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

FireSight posted:

I paid $150 for one out of print book for WFRP 2e. I am one of those people. *sob*

Don't feel bad, I just spent 70 bucks on Synnibarr and I don't even want to play it.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Plague of Hats posted:

Yeah, I bet Frank was all "Beep boop, that's not optimal, end of statement" like he always is and his ban was 100% capricious.

It's funny that people would defend one edition vociferously but not another one. What could be the meaning of this? The editions are different with different stuff in them, could that have something to do with it? Nah, I'm just going around in circles! I could crack this case if only Bugs Meany wasn't banning me from the forums.

Turn to the end of this book to see how Encyclopedia Frank solved the mystery!

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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Plus I think 5ive Turkeys is really what we need to call the big fans of that edition. 5etards is just terrible.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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quote:

In D&D 3.5, you see rules for making money using Profession (X). The rules are poo poo, but they give us a basis for seeing how crap daily life is in a D&D world.

This hotel is way worse than the last hotel! Not one piece of poo poo in my bed at all! I know it wasn't a huge poo poo at the last hotel, and it was a little dry, but I am used to poo poo in my bed and demand it now!

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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Mewnie posted:

Well, I was threatened to be kicked out of the pubby guild I'm in, in Guild Wars 2.

Over 4e vs 5e chat. I was the side that dared to say I liked 4e.

Highlights:

"I don't like healing surges because they take away of the job of clerics. Also it makes natural healing useless and thus makes everything too easy."

"Eldritch Knights are super cheese and can break the game."

:siren:"I just read the 4e rules and I knew the game was poo poo.":siren:

Huh, I thought Eldritch Knights were a Pathfinder thing.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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Plague of Hats posted:

Happy to oblige! :tipshat:


I'm not sure if this is about the philosophy of "system matters", or a typo regarding our resident Elric philistines System Mastery. Either way, I am sad it is gone.

I think he meant the former, but I would LOVE to find a post that is straight up calling us bullies.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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Halloween Jack posted:

The weird thing about YDIS is that it's really juvenile itself, and if you aren't hip-deep in OSR goings-on, you won't get a lot of what they're talking about.

Yeah, I could barely read that. It was like a hatchet job on someone, I could tell that much, but after that it was pretty arcane stuff.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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quote:

How I roll stats

4 rows of 7 reroll all 1s and drop the lowest bracket place where you want you can only select one row to use of course just incase j explained that poorly and I've never had anyone complain. Worst case. You roll for them if their results are bad.

"This is different from just using an array because arrays aren't random and this is totally random."

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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Plague of Hats posted:

Roll 100 times and take the most average! It's only fair.

All of your stats are 10.5! Deal with it!

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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ProfessorCirno posted:

The crazy thing is, I get why randomized chargen is fun, but not when it can make you significant weaker or stronger then otherwise.

A randomized chargen where characters still end up on par with each other would be amazing. And also hasn't really be done? The only one I can think of is REIGN.

I liked the onne that was basically point buy, but you rolled randomly for how many points you got, and then if you rolled a high number of points it lowered the max you were allowed in any one stat. So people with lower pools tended towards one high stat characters, while people with higher pools tended towards multiclassing or classes that required a lot of medium high stats, like a 2e ranger.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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IT BEGINS posted:

Is this


What you're talking about?

Yeah. I think that's what, 2e Skills and Powers? It's not perfect but it's a neat idea.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

13/16 defense at SPD 6 with a Soulless command aura and you have to kill the thing twice is bullshit for 2 points too. At least he should try to appropriately price his gross fetish monster.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

TheAwfulWaffle posted:

Are there any rules anywhere for creating characters above 1st level? Specifically, is there any kind of wealth by level chart anyplace?

What? Start above first level? Earn your fun, you loot-addled millenial.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Man where's the forum fight between D20 and Gurps and Tricode Prime Directive?

Oh wait here's some:

Illumisar, apparent author of original Prime Directive posted:

As for the GM vs. Player // non-cinematic thing? Hey, any GM can skew a game against the players but there was not of that built into the game itself and certainly none in the material I wrote, especially considering the various character background and reputation systems and whole wheedling system. In fact the game was very intentionally designed precisely to model the sorts of cinematic/script-immunity/"aw-geez-are-ya-kiddin'-me? " kinds of tropes that were so commen in the TV show. Different strokes for different folks I guess . . .

Here we see him responding to someone saying the game was somewhat old-fashioned and adversarial, which was weird for a game with a cinematic background. He naturally disagrees and thinks the game was friendly. The game in question being the one where your player can wheedle out of death by spending months in a hospital (just like on Star Trek) by begging the DM for that allowance. If the DM is feeling lenient, he is encouraged to agree to spare the character's life, send them home to copy words out of the dictionary, and wait there as the DM and other players go out for pizza.

None of that is hyperbole, it's actually what the book says.

theironjef fucked around with this message at 22:52 on May 18, 2015

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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Man, my favorite thing is when instead of just saying "I'd say no" they go on a hilarious hypothetical threat-rant about how they'd kill the PCs with buff monsters.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

I thought the simpler "adjust the fights accordingly" guys were actually coming within range of being reasonable. No fighting, no chicanery, no dumb rocks fall from the heavens retaliation. Just "This guy has all 18s so here's a few more monsters."

It was the guys coming up with clever solutions that look like assholes. Just make 'em fight the Tarrasque right away, that'll teach them! Then give him ability drain because I guess we're playing 2e? Then give them a fake magic item, the Book of gently caress You, Darryl!

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Heh I love his little bit on how it's a roleplaying game because you act out a role. Like if you play a ranger you have to do ranger stuff, and the joy of playing this game is appropriately doing ranger business in the model laid down by the rotisserie-graved Gygax.

He's like so close to establishing that role means "part someone plays in a story." He's got this mindset where if you play Hamlet you don't even need a script, you just do accurate Hamlet stuff from the examples in the book and maybe roll a few dice maybe to see if you Hamlet properly.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

quote:

If you are playing a story game which consists of games from The Forge, storygames.com or FATE then yes, those systems are set up to be narrative and to create stories. Traditional role playing games like Dungeons and Dragons, Deadlands, Traveler and the like are traditional role playing games and the story that is created is the after effect of all of the player’s actions, not the purpose for the player’s action.

This is my favorite part. The story that is created is the effect of player actions and not the point of player actions. If the story isn't a barely tolerated byproduct you're doing it wrong! I wonder if he'd just be happier playing Dwarf Fortress.

I also wonder what the point of player actions is in his system. Is it tautological? They are playing D&D for the purposes of D&D play?

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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Hugoon Chavez posted:

Well, which one is it? :colbert: Dude has to get his background in order, he is ruining my immersion.

First one is transitory, second is racial.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

drunkencarp posted:

Since he was fighting Morgoth I'm assuming he was one of the calaquendi who had turned from the Valar in pride, so both high and dark. Like whatshisname who crafted Turambar's cursed sword.

Beleg Strongbow, most cidery of the Sindarin.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

He even knows what healing surges are, and mentions them in his third point, which is the best point anyway. "WOW has lots of necessary videogame abstractions. 4e doesn't have them, but here's a list of terms from 4e presented similarly."

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

gradenko_2000 posted:

A couple of months back, someone made a thread on reddit about how pigs were really cheap according to the 5e PHB and so you could buy a bunch of them and send them ahead of you to trip traps in the dungeon.

I replied, "We used to use Fighters for that, but I guess a farm animal would be okay too."

It received 500+ upvotes and I got gilded for it :smith:

Sounds like a rare example of a good reddit story to me, because I would like to assume that everyone just also thinks it's funny. Then again, I post my show episodes in there and while browsing around I've noticed a funny trend amongst the people in /rpg. They apologize before saying they liked 4e, almost universally.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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Doodmons posted:

That reminds me of the apocryphal story of somebody meeting Gary Gygax at a con and, after the introductions were out of the way, telling Gygax that his party made it through Tomb of Horrors unscathed by herding cattle ahead of them to set off all the traps. Thinking that this defeated the point and the mood somewhat, Gygax told him "Gandalf didn't herd cattle ahead of him when he journeyed through the Mines of Moria!"
"Gandalf died" was the reply.

He did the fiirst time! You think he really needed 13 goddamn dwarves around? No one needs that many dwarves.

Also cows hate going down stairs. They'd basically just stand around mooing like bitches at the entrance.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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drat, absolutely nothing in there about Prime Directive. I was hopeful to find a rich well of support for that crapsack.

That said, they have a whole toplevel forum dedicated to posts about why ONE GUY was banned, including published rebuttal posts from the banned guy that go on for pages and pages. The El Dorado of weird nerd whining!

theironjef fucked around with this message at 16:18 on May 29, 2015

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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Literally had to go back and look again to make sure this thing isn't a parody. It's not wrong, it just looks like LiartownUSA made it.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

I believe he also had an example of the miniatures his kickstarter would produce on a kickstarter, and it was pretty clearly just a Heroforge design.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Wikipedia Brown posted:

It's especially weird with Trek, which is generally such a progressive show. There is a real wingnutty subsection that loves the militaristic aspects of Starfleet and probably draws parallels between the Enterprise's mission and, like, the duty of the US to spread democracy.

The SFB designer is very proud of his service in the Texas National Guard. You'd think he was George S. Patton.

I actually think the system is pretty interesting (I'd be more likely to try the newer offshoot, Federation Commander), but the company and fans are so loving weird. Maybe I'll just wait for Squadron Strike: Axanar. Ken Burnside is some kind of weird libertarian or something, but he doesn't act like a jerk.

Reading Prime Directive (the RPG version of this) only makes this more apparent, as it stresses the difference between the Starfleet Navy and Starfleet Marines, replaces away teams with Prime Teams (with a healthy dose of "Star Trek is stupid because the chain of command would prohibit captains from leaving the ship, duuuuhhhh"), and then makes those Prime Teams basically the GI Joes. They're always giving themselves team names like the Red Eagles, high-fiving over killing off weird aliens, and arguing for raises.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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Selachian posted:

Wasn't there one race in SFB that had ships that were basically hollowed out asteroids with warp engines stuck on them? I never played but a cousin of mine did. (He was, unsurprisingly, a military buff.)

Yeah, the Jindarians, which are described as being space gypsies.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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Ardeem posted:

I wonder what kind of party this guy has that HP aren't irelivant by level 10.

I would love to see his followup post on how he messes with caster classes. If he's got one, a nice big one full of arcane fizzle chances and exceedingly rare components and scrolls that evaporate when you fail to learn the spell on them and rats that wake you up so that you never get a full rest, he's okay by me. He runs a weird dumb game, but don't we all?

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Anticheese posted:

The central paradox to pornomancy is that it is just a rote act. There's nothing sexy at all about it at all.

Well now that's exactly like the making of por ohhhhhhhhhhh.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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Chill la Chill posted:

In the cool anime one piece there's a dude who triple wields katanas using his arms and teeth. I'm thinking it'd be p :krad: to do the same for the one handed dual crossbow guy, or like flicks their Bayonetta-like hair to reload bolts :allears:

Dang this is my longest "forgot to refresh the page" moment yet lol

The stock on both my crossbows is hollow and filled with bolts, and the spring-loaded cover over the bolt storage is opened by an attached hook designed to pull on the other crossbow's string, thus making it a smooth motion for me to reload them without emptying my hands.

Gnomes built them.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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The only thing that makes this guy redeemable is that his stupid <grin> emotes aren't immediately following ways he uses his dumb rules to screw over his players. He's just smugly satisfied about his super "realistic" coinage system. At least there's that.

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theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

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gradenko_2000 posted:

For the record, not everything I post is supposed to be "what a lovely human being"-grog, I think this thread also has room for "a bit out there but harmless"-grog.

So yeah, lots of rules and specific worldbuilding on that guy, but it ain't mustard.

Never stop posting. Weird stuff is just as good as awful stuff.

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