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JosephWongKS posted:Hmm, I never thought of that question myself. I know that if you put a Bag of Holding into another Bag of Holding, you get a big-rear end explosion and both Bags of Holding and their contents vaporize. Do the D&D rules cover what happens if the person holding the Bag of Holding himself crawls into the Bag of Holding? Indeed they do! Bags of Holding work by shunting your stuff into a pocket dimension, and so the real trouble is that you're stuck with whatever air is in there. Unless you also have a magic bottle that refreshes the air or something similar, you can only survive inside for a few minutes, and I don't think you can get back out without help.
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I'm pretty sure the whole pet thing is code for "I don't like animals and I don't want to hear you explain why I should." Similarly, when people ask me for donations for children I say "I'm sorry, I'm anti-child" just to get them to stop.
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Mar 5, 2015 04:16
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Holy poo poo stop it, you little poo poo! Why does everything have to be a problem for this kid?
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Mar 5, 2015 04:35
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SSNeoman posted:Holy poo poo stop it, you little poo poo!
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Mar 5, 2015 06:56
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SSNeoman posted:Holy poo poo stop it, you little poo poo! You can't win a conversation unless you get the first word, the last word, and the majority of the words in between.
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Mar 5, 2015 08:18
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SSNeoman posted:Holy poo poo stop it, you little poo poo! He has to show he can always tell what people are thinking because of his cleverness while also being lovely at social interaction because that's the basic, cliche sci-fi/fantasy archetype for Smart Character.
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Added Space posted:
Well no wonder it took so long to write the series. I mean I can procrastinate for hours just browsing the internet, give me my own sex slave and I would get nothing done. "Sorry guys, I'd love to come out to the bar tonight. But you know, sex slave, such a time sink amirite?" Deptfordx fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Indeed they do! Bags of Holding work by shunting your stuff into a pocket dimension, and so the real trouble is that you're stuck with whatever air is in there. Unless you also have a magic bottle that refreshes the air or something similar, you can only survive inside for a few minutes, and I don't think you can get back out without help. I thought they tore a dimensional rift open if you did that and you would fall out into the infinite void between planes. Edit: nvm, they changed the rules in fourth edition. Now you're right. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I thought they tore a dimensional rift open if you did that and you would fall out into the infinite void between planes. I think it's okay to nest bags of holding or portable holes, but only if you don't mix between the two.
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Bags of Devouring are their own offshoot of magical storage. Instead of being a portal to an extra-dimensional storage space, it is a disguised feeding orifice of a insatiable cosmic horror. The best magical storage is of course Heward's Handy Haversack. Look it up sometime. It has features a bag of holding can only dream of. Like shoulder straps and pockets. Whatever you're looking for automatically being on top is the most vital feature, though. Every adventurer should have one.Tunicate posted:I think it's okay to nest bags of holding or portable holes, but only if you don't mix between the two. Any of that chicanery usually ends up with ruining the items and dumping your stuff in storage wherever. Catastrophic explosions are usually GM fiat. The only D&D magic items I can think of that explode when broken as per the rules are the Staff of Power and its cousins, where the catastrophic results of such a sundering are often intentionally brought on. Of course, turning a bag of holding inside-out or puncturing it is supposed to ruin the magic. Does a sewing needle count as puncturing? If so, preventative maintenance is impossible and bags of holding are extremely expensive curios at best. Pvt.Scott fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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Tunicate posted:I think it's okay to nest bags of holding or portable holes, but only if you don't mix between the two. Didn't used to be. In 2nd edition that was a great way to buy a one-way ticket to the Astral Plane.
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Conversations like this are one thing I really like about hpmor, Harry thinks like a gamer, and asks the awkward questions we're asking. I'm guessing the only way he won't break the game is there's lots of arbitrary limits?
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Mar 5, 2015 22:31
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Post owls in HP mostly feed themselves and are almost never caged, so the pet conversation is even more contrived than it seems at first.
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On the other hand, someone actually did mix Harry Potter and a d20 character https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8096183/1/Harry-Potter-and-the-Natural-20 Much better at what HPMOR is trying to do (find the rules of the universe, break them). I'm excited to be following this thread, I stopped reading after the troll, so I wanna see what happens.
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Chapter 6: The Planning Fallacy Part Seven quote:
I’ll just quote SSNeoman here since he or she has put it best: “Holy poo poo stop it, you little poo poo! Why does everything have to be a problem for this kid?” quote:
Trauma could result in dissociative orders that include amnesia, though. quote:
This Harry Potter doesn’t talk like one, at the least. quote:
Does the author also take it as a compliment if someone calls him “not all that human”? JosephWongKS fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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Mar 6, 2015 04:14
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Harry has never heard of a concussion, it seems.
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Got a broken italics tag, there.Hieronymous Alloy posted:I thought they tore a dimensional rift open if you did that and you would fall out into the infinite void between planes. You're thinking of what happens when you put something sharp in a Bag of Holding without a sheath or scabbard. Stuffing yourself in is no trouble at all by at least 3rd edition (aside from the suffocation thing, I mean).
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LowellDND posted:On the other hand, someone actually did mix Harry Potter and a d20 character https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8096183/1/Harry-Potter-and-the-Natural-20
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I have to say he's getting across McGonagal pretty well, in that she is caught between her charitable desire to help a lost child become a member of his rightful society, and her increasing awareness that he appears to be the Antichrist.
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ScLowellDND posted:On the other hand, someone actually did mix Harry Potter and a d20 character https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8096183/1/Harry-Potter-and-the-Natural-20 Scrub tier. Gandalf was only a 5th level a Magic User.
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I just spent the past two days reading all of this on the suggestion of a friend, and I went from eager enthusiasm to horrified disdain. Thank you all for being here for me. I had no idea what I was getting into, and I feel like I've read through a version of CWC's Sonichu mythos that was written with one hand by a spergy pseudo-intellectual showboater.
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Pvt.Scott posted:Sc Which probably influenced the E6 house rules  http://goo.gl/mmrr8W
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I read the whole of this a few months back when I was very down indeed, and remember thinking parts of it read like a satire of the author's own philosophy. The endless bits about humanity conquering nature to rule among the stars seem insane, but having the main character continue to promote them in a world where rationality itself has broken down seems just to highlight how very hubristic that sort of philosophy is. Having said that I still think there's a lot to like in HP:MOR; I thought what it did with the dementors in particular was a very clever reinterpretation. I've noticed reading the reviews of it that almost everyone despises the whole thing while a small number think it's the best thing ever, and I wonder if this is maybe a book that would appeal very much to some people on the autistic spectrum and not at all to everyone else? "Isolated genius protagonist points out problems in popular fantasy series" is more or less the most autistic spectrumy pitch I can imagine, and as someone who is on the spectrum I suspect I was going "my heavens, isn't this great?" at bits where everyone else just winced.
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How is reinterpreting the grim reaper look-alikes as personifications of death 'very clever'? Especially when they can't actually kill anyone?
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Moddington posted:How is reinterpreting the grim reaper look-alikes as personifications of death 'very clever'? I thought the idea that animals could repeal them because they didn't understand death as a concept was clever, as was the idea that the dread of them approaching was the dread of death. Also the idea of nobody realising due to not wanting to confront what they were, I think, because the wizarding world in Harry Potter does often come across as a place where people actively avoid thinking about things that scare them or that they don't understand. I like most of the bits where Harry is able to solve problems through not being scared, actually, they resonate with me in a way that "I used timeless theories of quantum physics to transfigure some glass" do not.
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vegetables posted:I thought the idea that animals could repeal them because they didn't understand death as a concept was clever That doesn't even make sense though. Not understanding something doesn't make you immune to it. Plus, as written they very obviously represent depression, and to get them to work as representations of death you basically have to change everything about them but their appearance (which is just a sort of generic spectre anyway).
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Well most of his levels must have been in Fighter then, since he did beat On-topic I have to say that Harry Potter is a rather odd choice of franchise to get so angrily rationalist about. Like I get that it's because it's popular and exists concurrently with 20th century science. But the magic in HP is already so codified and consistent; say the right words and you'll get the same effects without any mess. Most of the strange and unpredictable creatures of the world are some flavor of tamed, enslaved, or documented by wizard magic. It's like King Kong captured by Carl Denham, a wonder of the world chained down for elementary school students to gawk at. Obviously I'm exaggerating some things. But Harry Potter's magic definitely evokes science more than like, occultism or shamanism or the more metaphorical stuff that authors like Tolkien wrote. There's a standard curriculum for God's sake!
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Bendigeidfran posted:Well most of his levels must have been in Fighter then, since he did beat I can see the attraction - Harry Potter wizards are really more analogous to natural philosophers or alchemists as they know that if you do X and Y you get Z effect, but they don't know why, and they can't use that knowledge to predict what would happen if you do W and X instead. There's no theory behind the magic, it's all just application. A story about an HP character trying to discover some underlying theory and approaching the whole thing as an exciting field to learn about and begin to understand could be really interesting. This, unfortunately, does not seem to be that story as it's more about Author Insert Harry preaching about his worldview and looking for loopholes in the rules to exploit; he's not doing experiments or really attempting to learn from the people who have more experience than him, he's just assuming he knows everything already (and unfortunately the author will probably make it so he's correct).
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They mention laws and theory several times - it just gets skimmed over because nobody gives a poo poo about a formula.
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Bendigeidfran posted:Well most of his levels must have been in Fighter then, since he did beat You're over-thinking it. When you're writing a author insert worldview exposition livejournal you go for the biggest potential audience possible. And if that means piggybacking on the most popular book series of all time, so be it. The other thing to remember, as you embark on spewing out multiple copies of War and Peace, is that you don't want to try to blandly appeal to everyone. You just need some small, small subset of readers to become Atlas-Shrugged-evangelist levels of fanatically devoted to your philosophy. So take chances, espouse controversial ideas, kill characters, reinterpret major plot points. And throw in as many callouts and meta-references as you can. Someone will think its brilliant! The rest of the plebs just don't get your genius and will give up on reading a few hundred pages in. Ignore them, they don't bother to write reviews anyway.
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Basically he should've went with Pokemon. Saying that, please tell me there's a section on firebreathing dragons.
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"Ash Ketchum and the acquisiton of ratocination" - Would read.
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anilEhilated posted:Saying that, please tell me there's a section on firebreathing dragons. I hope he is ignorant of real fire-breathing creatures if he does.
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So these beetles have loving jet engines in their arse, and don't use them to do something lame like, say, escaping, but instead use them to melt your face? There isn't enough  in the world.
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Pvt.Scott posted:I hope he is ignorant of real fire-breathing creatures if he does. Or asthmatic dinosaurs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9w26JXXpWU&t=4m1s Sadly, no dragons appear in this fic.
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blackmongoose posted:I can see the attraction - Harry Potter wizards are really more analogous to natural philosophers or alchemists as they know that if you do X and Y you get Z effect, but they don't know why, and they can't use that knowledge to predict what would happen if you do W and X instead. There's no theory behind the magic, it's all just application. A story about an HP character trying to discover some underlying theory and approaching the whole thing as an exciting field to learn about and begin to understand could be really interesting. It is embarrassingly schlocky, punny to an almost criminal degree, and packed with 80's compsci inside jokes. It is also way less insufferable and way more entertaining than HPMOR.
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LowellDND posted:On the other hand, someone actually did mix Harry Potter and a d20 character https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8096183/1/Harry-Potter-and-the-Natural-20 So i've been reading this, this weekend. Second to endorse this. If you have any knowledge of Dnd, especially 3rd editon this is a genuinally fun read.
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Chapter 6: The Planning Fallacy Part Eight quote:
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Given that Harry only has one example of such an event, isn’t Harry’s placing of so much importance on this incident and his obsession with seeking a cause for the incident itself a fallacy (though I can’t recall the name of the fallacy) and therefore “irrational”? Wouldn’t it be more rational to chalk it up as a data point and move on with the rest of your day, exactly as McGonagall has done?
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Darth Walrus posted:Part Eight? Man, you are just dragging out that big Chapter Seven reveal, aren't you? Chapter Six is really long (10,000+ words) and I only have that much free time each day.
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