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DaNzA: Sep 11, 2001; :D; Grimey Drawer

Chinatown posted:

this wont load for me lol

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 07:16

DaNzA: Sep 11, 2001; :D; Grimey Drawer

qirex posted:

my comcast bill goes up .70-1.50 every couple months and I've never been able to figure out why

same

and even more lol for the people who rent the lovely modem/router combo so comcast can setup the xfinity hotspot through them while getting free power from the home owner

then the home owner get hit with the rate hike on the equipment rental anyway

# ¿ Feb 26, 2015 23:17

DaNzA: Sep 11, 2001; :D; Grimey Drawer

Nintendo Kid posted:

-sent from my 125/15 cable connection in literal appalachia

that's why we are talking about the local buildout because comcast is pretty much the only one covering the whole SF with 125/15 and faster speed while the other option is att's uverse that you have to double NAT when you want to do simple things like using your own router

also the best thing to do is lay fiber around the whole country and that way you can easily build out wireless towers afterwards with the fiber as backhaul

but they know that it cost a ton upfront and they wont get as much money back for the next few quarters if they just stuck to what they have now

so we get hilarious things like att pushing the deadend adsl based stuff and trying to compete against coaxial while other competent countries are upping their fiber speed to home

# ¿ Feb 27, 2015 01:20

DaNzA: Sep 11, 2001; :D; Grimey Drawer

computer parts posted:

countries like texas apparently

the fiber to the press that's available only brand new places that's already laid with fiber? yeah most people will never get that especially in established towns/cities

# ¿ Feb 27, 2015 01:35

DaNzA: Sep 11, 2001; :D; Grimey Drawer

CrazyLittle posted:

vdsl2 works great with fiber to the curb (upwards of 100/100), but att still only offers poo poo speeds like 25/5 because they know they can get away with it since they have monopoly access. thats why uverse magically gets faster when verizon or google moves in. same with comcast and coaxial net.

they probably have some backup plan to do ftth from those boxes but that will most likely be years later when they want to put on a good show with comcast, and probably still going to be very expensive since it's most likely not unbundled

the worst part of adsl/vdsl based uverse is probably the lovely router and interleaving which is error correction that rearrange bits and give you 30~50ms latency no matter what

# ¿ Feb 27, 2015 01:48

DaNzA: Sep 11, 2001; :D; Grimey Drawer

DNova posted:

remember when the internet wasn't poo poo

me either

6mbps adsl with 8ms ping or uncapped cable was decent back in 2001

# ¿ Feb 27, 2015 01:52

DaNzA: Sep 11, 2001; :D; Grimey Drawer

Jimmy Carter posted:

FiOS claims to not be engaging in network fuckery but when I upload poo poo to an S3 bucket directly it goes at maybe 20 kb/sec versus when I VPN through a Linode instance in my city it goes at full wire rate

that's my net neutrality story

"why spend money on upgrading when we can just save money on our backhaul"

this happened to the lovely ISP in NZ that used the cheapest/worst transit provider
eg. a tracert from NZ to US somehow bounces through asia and japan before getting to the US

but since they have unbundled line people just change to a different ISP with better upstream provider

# ¿ Feb 27, 2015 02:04

DaNzA: Sep 11, 2001; :D; Grimey Drawer

DNova posted:

no no I I meant what's on the internet e.g. you're posts

also good news shaggar seems like the republicans got your back

US Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) and Senator Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) today filed legislation to overturn the municipal broadband decision the Federal Communications Commission made earlier in the day.

# ¿ Feb 27, 2015 02:08

DaNzA: Sep 11, 2001; :D; Grimey Drawer

Nintendo Kid posted:

no, level 3 would have had to start paying comcast if they wanted the peering upgraded, comcast was never on the hook for paying peering charges. side that pushes more traffic pays.

and there was no throttling at comcast, just the natural congestion.

whoa things can get congested if it's never upgraded???

if only there's another ISP that you can switch to that routed differently bypassing the congestion

# ¿ Feb 27, 2015 02:09

DaNzA: Sep 11, 2001; :D; Grimey Drawer

Shaggar posted:

for those like danza that don't understand this, the way peering works is that if you generally send the same amount of traffic both ways you pay to keep up your end and if you both want to expand the peer you both pay to upgrade your end.

or if fios was unbundled then you can just get another ISP using the same fios line with less congestion on the backend

# ¿ Feb 27, 2015 02:25

DaNzA: Sep 11, 2001; :D; Grimey Drawer

Nintendo Kid posted:

it's also up to the person selling connectivity on netflix's side to provide the actual access, friend.

true, but in cases like people getting much improved speed when they VPN out of their isp means there are most likely some uncongested peering points out there that customers can get to if there's a choice in switching ISP

it's just lol to see people having to VPN out of their lovely ISP to get much better speed

# ¿ Feb 27, 2015 02:32

DaNzA: Sep 11, 2001; :D; Grimey Drawer

Shaggar posted:

if fios was unbundled you'd be able to get service through a 4th tier network like earthlink and you would suffer worse congestion from their garbage networks.

TWC customers have been able to get unbundled service ever since the TWC/AOL merger and it didn't do anything because the backhaul is not the problem.

so verizon and TWC are roughly the same as earthlink and the worse case isn't too bad

check out sonic.net since they are one of the better unbundled provider with uncapped/linespeed adsl2+ through att's unbundled line, they even include unlimited national calls with free caller id and whatnot

# ¿ Feb 27, 2015 02:37

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 07:16

DaNzA: Sep 11, 2001; :D; Grimey Drawer

cremnob posted:

this is a good way to ensure that no ISP ever invests in fiber

yeah it's like one of those things the private sector will never do but is needed anyway

# ¿ Feb 27, 2015 02:47

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