UKMT - The assassination of the green party by the coward Natalie Bennett

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Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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Jose posted:

The greens are a massive joke and its going to be cool at the debates when someone asks Natalie Bennett why people from the UK should vote for an aussie

Did anyone try that in reverse with Tony Abbott?

# ¿ Mar 1, 2015 16:54

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 08:59

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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Oberleutnant posted:

The point of a strike is to illustrate the importance of a service by withdrawing same, with the goal of showing people just how important that service is, and hopefully bringing them to the understanding that the people performing that service deserve better pay or conditions commensurate with the level of service they provide.

So, bin men stop emptying bins because their pay and/or conditions are poo poo.

The people who live in the area, tired of living on streets full of poo poo and filth, group together and clean up dirty, hazardous and just unpleasant material from their living space.
Now these people have a first hand understanding of the valuable and unpleasant service that refuse collectors provide.
Like, if this were people crossing the picket to work for a profit-oriented enterprise I could see your point entirely, but refuse collection is a public service - it has to be performed by somebody for environmental, general health, and safety reasons, and if the workers themselves go on strike I can't think of a better way of dealing with it than for the citizens themselves to get involved.

There's a certain school of activism that would say that cleaning up would be scabbing, and fly tipping and making GBS threads in the middle of the street during the strike would be activism, because it would help underscore how valuable the service being provided is.

That sounds too much like accelerationism to me though.

# ¿ Mar 1, 2015 23:23

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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JFairfax posted:

What's infidels of Britain all about, sounds fun

Like Richard Dawkins's fan club, but free.

# ¿ Mar 2, 2015 00:51

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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Hoops posted:

edit: I'm renaming it the "If you like the Bake Off you're responsible for British Neo-fascism" theory because that'll get more people's backs up

UKMT March - Bake Off responsible for British Neo-fascism

# ¿ Mar 2, 2015 03:13

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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Party Boat posted:

Andrew Sparrow on the G's politics blog has made an interesting point about the possibility of a hung parliament: http://gu.com/p/468m9

Instead of using Parliament to get rid of Trident as something that is no longer necessary nor fit for purpose, can't we do it the other way around?

# ¿ Mar 2, 2015 12:04

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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Oberleutnant posted:

the 1917 revolution failed because the thread didn't have the marxism tag?

Someone tagged it Bolshevism and from that point the revolution was betrayed.

# ¿ Mar 2, 2015 14:32

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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I prefer Moism. It makes me moist.

# ¿ Mar 2, 2015 22:41

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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Gonzo McFee posted:

Communism is terrible and causes nothing but death and as such is evil, now let me tell you how Capitalism and the British Empire were forces for good...

You know that saying about "the only thing that all of your past failed relationships have in common is you"? Maybe that's the case here.
Maybe it's not State Communism or Capitalism or Imperialism. Maybe it's humans that are terrible and which something should be done about.

# ¿ Mar 3, 2015 14:42

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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Disinterested posted:

a non-troll Marxism thread

This happening in SA is about as likely as full communism happening in the current parliament.

# ¿ Mar 3, 2015 19:49

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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tdrules posted:

Voter demographics have shifted in recent years, according to YouGov the primary reason the Conservatives polling figures have recovered is due to a surge in the 18-24 range.

Kill the young.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2015 10:19

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

stickyfngrdboy posted:

but wait til UKIP get in, it'll be even more difficult then.

It will be streamlined and made much simpler.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2015 15:28

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Fans posted:

A bacon sandwich crossed with another bacon sandwich.

A diagonally cut sandwich being executed.

e: '10 - Election fever as a bunch of shits are replaced with a shower of shits, many of them worse.

Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Mar 4, 2015

# ¿ Mar 4, 2015 18:22

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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Ed will debate an empty sandwich. Tabloids will report the sandwich won.

# ¿ Mar 5, 2015 01:00

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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Disinterested posted:

How is that even supposed to work?

# ¿ Mar 5, 2015 12:24

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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hookerbot 5000 posted:

If it was the other benefits that people can get, like child tax credit or the increase in housing benefit then I don't know. Probably a few more people would choose not to have children, a few more women would have abortions when they would have wanted to keep it and a lot more children growing up in poverty.

Stick-based disincentives for having children always result in higher child poverty, which then has a far greater knock on effect down the line.

I'm not sure what a carrot for reducing birth rates would look like though. Simply paying people not to have kids would be disproportionately regressive. Better sex education and non-judgmental access to more permanent methods of contraception maybe?

# ¿ Mar 5, 2015 14:34

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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nopantsjack posted:

The British government has been a ideological collection of inbred morons failing to juggle thrown plates for at least a century.

quote:

Founded in 1900, the Labour Party overtook the Liberal Party in general elections during the early 1920s

I see what you did there :v:

Personally I'd say more like 3 centuries though.

# ¿ Mar 5, 2015 15:03

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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Dabir posted:

You all must be colour-blind, they're clearly yellow.

Scotland already has one bunch of yellow tories though. :can:

# ¿ Mar 5, 2015 15:20

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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big scary monsters posted:

The UK has a lower than replacement birth rate, the fact that we have positive population growth is down to immigration. If you're anti-foreigns like the Tories are you'd think it would make sense to encourage people here to have more children.

Is there any particular reason that population growth has to be above replacement though?

Other than Tory reasons like making sure there is a permanent pool of unemployed to keep wages low, increasing consumption because it's good for business, and making sure natives are a majority against the foreign hordes?

It used to be that things would suck even worse for the elderly if population growth was too low, but a combination of technology and additional socialism would resolve that better than more people.

# ¿ Mar 5, 2015 16:51

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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Oberleutnant posted:

Capitalism cannot sustain the compound growth necessary for its survival without growth in the working classes for the purposes of working and consumption.
There's a good chapter on this in.... possibly The Engima of Capital, but I'll have to check when I get home.

I'd count that as a Tory reason though. Capitalism might not survive unless population keeps growing, never mind. That's an argument against capitalism, not population growth.

JFairfax posted:

more kids to nonce up

I'd count this as a Tory reason too :v:

# ¿ Mar 5, 2015 17:16

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Once you get into the swing of reading it it's pretty swift.

# ¿ Mar 5, 2015 19:53

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Not as good as

# ¿ Mar 5, 2015 22:07

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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winegums posted:

MDMA or something in little vials in the freezer (had to gently caress off for 1/2 a day while the police searched the place).

Sounds inconvenient. Wedinos would have tested it for you by post for free. :buddy:

# ¿ Mar 6, 2015 17:03

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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BigPaddy posted:

Had a landlord claim the reason the flat was damp was due to my "lifestyle"

I have no problem with water, but I oppose the wet "lifestyle".

:wtc:

does that even mean?

# ¿ Mar 6, 2015 18:32

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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General China posted:

I'm against fox hunting with hounds- but only as a class issue. Most of the fox population has moved into towns where there is more food for them. So what we need is fox hunting to become a workingclass sport. The workingclass on bicycles with pitbull terriers chase foxes through the middleclass areas in towns. If your pitbull gets the scent you should be allowed to kick a hole in the fence to let the hunt continue. Trample over their gardens and make a lot of noise. I could see it becoming quite popular.

This post has nothing to do with the time I went hunt sabbing with the ALF when I was 17. Nothing at all. They told me to bring lunch as we would be out all day. I quite like pork pies, now and again. I had to walk 8 miles home in the rain.

Hare coursing has been a mostly working class thing for the past 200 years, after originally being something only for the rich, so there's precedent there.

It got banned at the same time as fox hunting. Wouldn't surprise me if Cameron's restructuring of the law conveniently left out coursing.

thehustler posted:

Can it be argued that lots of local spending makes it harder for the country to get value for money when making purchasing decisions etc? Economies of scale and the like

I've always thought that some things should be kept national for reasons like that but I'm probably an idiot.

That's one of the reasons that the NHS got such good prices on drugs when they purchased centrally.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2015 14:49

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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Cerv posted:

I have no idea what you are talking about.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2015 19:26

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

I wonder why Four Loko never tried exporting to the UK. It seems like the ideal terrible market for that, and it can't really be worse than Buckfast.

On the plus (?) side, Jameson is going to be cheap for the next week.

# ¿ Mar 9, 2015 09:51

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Pork Pie Hat posted:

I'm pretty sure this thread could turn out a better side than the current England team. We should write to the ECB. How hard could it be?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUyK_J_W4BI

# ¿ Mar 9, 2015 13:38

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Pesmerga posted:

Edit: in no way am I suggesting she either a) drowns puppies or b) has admitted to preferring the wrong flavour of monster munch.

She does like monster munch though, that much is known. I can't source what kind though.
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/11/rock-stars-riders-jack-white-guacamole-square-melons

e:

Ddraig posted:

I have it on good authority that Lily Allen drowns kittens in the wrong flavour of monster munch on a regular basis.

Or maybe that's why she asks for 12 packs

# ¿ Mar 9, 2015 16:32

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

quote:

Ministers have been accused of putting profit over human rights after organising a secretive arms fair to sell tear gas and rubber bullets to a host of authoritarian regimes.

But enough about the Met's procurement process.

# ¿ Mar 9, 2015 18:29

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Extreme0 posted:

Why are you getting drunk from washing up liquid?

It's the UK thread. Why aren't you getting drunk from washing up liquid?

# ¿ Mar 9, 2015 19:28

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Stottie Kyek posted:

Pride also has singing communists in it

Pride also has a scene where Cliff (Bill Nighy) is helping prepare sandwiches for a picket line and cuts one of them diagonally, whereby he is told to cut them properly.

Which one of you got that in there?

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 00:21

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Zephro posted:

Does anyone know if there are websites specifically catering to people looking to rent rooms for only a certain number of days per week? Like if I wanted to rent somewhere in the northern half of London, but only on Monday and Tuesday nights?

The only services I've seen like that are for encouraging casual landlords looking to maximize their profits from having a piece of London real estate. I assume there must be another end to that equation though, but I can't find it.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 14:00

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Renaissance Robot posted:

I still can't believe it's pronounced fracar.

e/ imo you need at least three people for a rumpus, while a fracas could just be one dude being noisily murdered by a bunch of crows or something

Is rumpus pronounced rumpur then?

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 18:24

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

gorki posted:

Some of us pronounce our Rs

Only one way to settle this. Outside in the cah pahk.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 20:21

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

PiCroft posted:

How was Tony Blair on social issues? I wasn't really politically aware during his government so the main thing I know about his administration was the Iraq War.

What kind of social issues? He had Blunkett as Home Secretary for a large part of his stint as PM, and seemed to go along with the whole "pff, civil rights" thing, he supported ID cards and stricter asylum rules, and tended on the authoritarian side when it came to things like gambling, smoking, and scary things that might scare people (like 'information useful to terrorists'). You might consider some of those restrictions to be 'social good' or not. He seemed okayish on LGBT rights.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 20:40

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

JFairfax posted:

He was a closet Catholic who hates Islam who had the opportunity to join a crusade and took it.

God told him to join the crusade. He said so himself.

JFairfax posted:

I remember being at Glastonbury festival in 1997 and everyone was ridiculously optimistic about Tony Blair and the labour government.

18 years of Tory government will get people to be ridiculously optimistic about a lot of things. Sometimes those things turn out to be New Labour.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 21:20

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Pistol_Pete posted:

a strangely religious belief in their own righteousness.

Literally.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 23:13

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Reveilled posted:

In principle, Blue Labour is the idea that the Labour party should rededicate itself to representing the views of the working class, which means going hard left on economic issues while going hard right on everything else. So increase benefits (other than Jobseekers) but hound "scroungers", nationalise industries but stop immigration, bring back capital punishment and then hang the bankers with it. Basically, Blue Labour's manifesto would just be the British Social Attitudes Survey quoted word for word.

In practice, it's a big dollop of the right wing stuff, with a teensy weensy smigen of the left wing stuff. Basically being Red UKIP.

Isn't that pretty close to the BNP platform?

Proper care for the (right kind of) workers, kick out the foreigners, hang the pedos, nationalize the industries (so that foreigners can't own them), encourage a culture of work (sets you free), etc.

e: It's deeply worrying if that's the closest thing to the British Social Attitudes Survey.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 23:45

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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Pissflaps posted:

They made millions off a plagiarised song so have to pay a large portion of that to the copyright holders they stole from. What's so ridiculous about that?

The entire copyright system.

In 1984, Professor Sir Alec Jeffreys invented genetic fingerprinting. The patent, issued to the University of Leicester, expired 20 years later on 2004. They got 20 years of funding benefit from their discovery, and then they didn't.
In 1984, Russ Abbot invented (Oh What An) Atmosphere. The copyright will last for 70 years after he is dead, so at least until 2085.

This is deserving of 5 times longer a term protection than any medical innovation of the past half century:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFPLk5mJ1D4

I have no problem with protecting artists, but 70 years after the death of the author is a ridiculous term. And they need expanded fair use for people using samples and making mashups, neither of which really existed at the time the laws were written. (The UK has only just secured limited fair use for parody.)

This Thicke/Gaye thing is almost as ridiculous as the Sam Smith/Tom Petty thing.

# ¿ Mar 11, 2015 10:53

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 08:59

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namesake posted:

Aren't they either going to be big heavy and dangerous or like the camping gas bottles so you change them every couple of hours at most? This sounds a strange system....

Not everywhere has a gas main, and electricity is expensive to heat with.

Larry_Mullet posted:

Has anyone in the thread ever had their house heating provided by gas bottles? We're looking at a house that's heated like this and we're worried about the cost and inconvenience of heating a house in this way. Any advice would be much appreciated.

In b4 "Was the house built by aliens?"

Bottled gas is slightly more expensive than natural gas, but a lot cheaper than electricity. About 6.5p/kWh for LPG, depending on the rental agreement and supplier, compared to about 5p/kWh for mains gas and 16-20p for electricity.

You can heat with electricity for cheaper than gas by using a heat pump, but those have a very high upfront cost at the moment.

# ¿ Mar 11, 2015 11:43

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