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Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Cmdr. Shepard posted:

Bachelor. I got through half of a graduate program before bailing on it because I couldn't juggle two jobs, school, and a life.

I swear I quickly read this as "coudn't juggle two boobs..." and was about the say "dude that's the standard".


CARRY ON

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Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
That kind of small town good old boy system-ing is endemic to pretty much all small town and especially rural politics. One of the ways to combat is to centralize services to state level, for example. But as it is with the types of government, it is neither easy or even lawful in many cases. I can speak from the stories of old timers in Finland. My birth town had one single dude acting as the civil law-version of the "Sheriff", translated to roughly just a "Process Server", but still had policing rights and responsibilites. No one who wasn't drinking vodka with a bunch of guys in the Volunteer Fire Station could hope to be one of the deputies. Ever. And if he wanted to retire, only one to follow him would be a person he wanted to. And Finland would most likely still have that, if not for the massive regionalizing efforts of the early 2000s where Fire Rescue Medical and Police were organized into massive Departments spanning hundreds of miles, somewhat alike to State Police here in the US.

With small national services along the National Bureau of Investigation and Security Police, there are only 12 Police Departments and a Highway Patrol, but Highway Patrol was also merged into the 12 regional ones recently.

Fire Services went from separate local small town single station volunteer depts and city departments into massive, 20 separate Fire Rescue Departments that spans cities, rural areas and suburbs for loving forever, creating systems that have 14 paid stations, 20 part time and 70 volunteer stations, for example, managing all that centrally. Now if you want to volunteer at your local fire station, you don't have to gently caress the right cousin and wash the cars of the mayor anymore, you just apply online. National standards set the strict fitness requirements and if you are fat, you are made non-riding. Back in the day the local chief would just falsify the documents to get his fat buddies to stay in the engine.

Most importantly, small town police chiefs and fire chiefs were removed and only local station commanders and patrol commanders remained. Hiring and Firing is done by a separate HR and there is only one National Police Colleges, plus two National Fire Colleges. Good old boy systems don't work anymore, since the small time dick who wants to hire all his relatives has no power in the town anymore. I love the system, but the best is to listen to the old timers whine and moan about the old times and how all that was better (it wasn't) and what they got off of with.

And not just emergency services, these systems work in government and small businesses and what not. Answer to all of that is pretty much always centralization. While not without issues, it definitely makes things more streamlined and effective.

Policing is very centralized in most countries in the world.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Apr 5, 2015

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
"Just change your job"

:smug:

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Hey British bobbies, does the British regular police training teach how to handle firearms in any way? I know of course that it doesn't teach to use a firearm offensively, but is there anykind of instruction for disabling, unloading and securing one, if found on a scene perhaps? Or is it just left to be for Armed Officers?

For example, if Bernard runs into a pistol during an arrest situation, were you taught how to properly remove magazines from it and such? I know you naturally know how to do it even without specific training for it, but I am more interested if there was official instruction into it?

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Goons know something fishy is up when someone tries to sex them.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
#noAngel




I had a helmet camera clear me of misconduct after a lady alleged that I slapped her into face when she wouldn't listen. :smug:
I just voluntarily filmed everything everywhere all time and this time that oval office tried to be difficult.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Apr 8, 2015

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
...why do I get told this just now..?

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Apr 8, 2015

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

AirCav58 posted:

As long as you take it before it gets logged and entered into evidence it shouldn't be a problem. I easily clear a few extra grand a month this way.

Same.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
He is already fired from NCPD, but nothing prevents a podunk small town from hiring him. No big department would, though.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
My mom dated this narcotics detective in Finland who used to say that "frankly there are many beats where it's just not fair to expect a cop to patrol it sober".

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

ManOfTheYear posted:

Are there any good cop memoirs/books? I read Edaward Conlon's Blue Blood and David Simon's A Year on the Killing Streets, the latter one being really great.

http://www.amazon.com/True-Stories-Lowcountry-Cop-Charleston/dp/1596293039

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Also I'd like to point out that Tom of Finland, Touko Laaksonen by his real name, is my relative through my mother's side and we have several of his works at my mom's house.

Finland even went to make his stamps a part of a stamp collection:

http://www.posti.fi/english/current/2014/20140413_stamps.html

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
If it is the first due of fire, it's their responsibility. I never ever as a front seat officer would take a cop's evaluation of the scene about a thing that is my responsibility. And I never did. I always gave a small lecture about me calling them off at a DV house.

I've had podunk cops tell me the scene looks good and by the time we get there the car is in flames next to a garage. And medical calls are the worst when a cop gives us "an evaluation of the scene. "

"Yes, this scene looks good. The wreck looks horrible but the driver seems calm and is slowly walking around. Not screaming or complaining about pain. Looks good."

Jesus.

Imagine me in court saying "well you see the police officer, who knows nothing about fire rescue, said this and that."

Come on guys, would you take a fireman's advice on a gang fight?

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 22:20 on May 2, 2015

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
No, I know there is little medical training. But that's why I don't want opinions or evaluations of the scene, and I don't like being told I should cancel and turn around. If I sat in the front, I had to write the report and affirm that all observations were true and verified and all that. So it might be different somewhere but it's silly to get all mad if people wanna cover their rear end in the area of their responsibility. Especially if I had to go see Chief about an old incident and he'd ask me and what if I had to say "welllll I never actually went there".

I was a Finnish Fireman before I went to the Army MP. After that, I came here and played Fireman again, in both Pittsburgh and PG County and little bit in Albemarle County, VA.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 04:55 on May 3, 2015

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Cmdr. Shepard posted:

I'm surprised that cops still try to call off the FD. Doesn't everyone know they roll no matter what? I do think their responses are a little overkill sometimes (like I mentioned before, 3-4 engines for a minor accident, or 3 engines for a simple smoke alarm in a small business).

It's easier to start calling engines off than to go "oh poo poo get me another response". Especially if you wanna go interior.

And the water tank is so tiny that you got water for couple good minutes and that is it, you want the next one be laying hose or the tanker hookinh up at that point already.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 18:17 on May 3, 2015

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
I have literally never heard a US LEO recommend a CJ degree.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Rolled up on a dude in the Army that people thought was about to shoot himself or someone else with "a rifle"

Turns out he was just carrying a stick and knocking over garden gnomes and jerking off on them. Master Sergeant said "Imma give you 15 seconds to finish and then we drive you home".

He finished. On the gnome. We drove him home. He offered to shake hands. We didn't.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
So what then? "Is this a private fight or can I join?"

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

GunForumMeme posted:

wtf is a drinking district?

London.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Branis posted:

America can put a loving robot SUV on another planet, why do we try to interpret the wisdom of rich assholes from the 1700s who didn't even know what germ theory was. Burn the constitution start from scratch. Ideally with communism.

Unironically agreed.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Captain Bravo posted:

Question for the cops: What is the average distribution per department of Commies vs. McCarthyists?

I'm thinking like 40%/60%?

Serious answer:

There are legit socialists and commies, but like in most professions in the US, they don't come out much. They're just not one or two, I can name offhand from my friend circle already ten within same department.

However based on the experiences of my family members and relatives and friend circles, there's way more democrat cops.
Now, not like "I'd vote Sanders but he won't win so Clinton"-democrats.
But like "I am like a republican minus the overt racism and aversion to taxes". In other words, McAuliffe-democrats. New Jersey democrat. Dock worker democrats. Maybe even blue dog democrat. Those there are pleeeeeenty. They're not really progressives, they just vote democrat. Make sense?

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Cmdr. Shepard posted:

The very few democrats/liberals in this line of work that I know of are generally mocked and shunned as they should be.

You're kind of like the dudes who insist that the gays have only recently arrived in NFL and that surely there are only these, like, two, tops. It's pretty funny.



Psssstttttt there's way more. Stay on your toes, they spy for Obama.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
You are such an amazing specimen, Shep.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Smiling Jack posted:

Shep suffers from Stockholm Syndrome

Legit lol'd.



Hey Shep, "love it or leave it" :smug:

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Jun 18, 2015

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
We need to be fiscally responsible by cutting Shep's salary, upping his hours and making sure he doesn't mooch off of any pensions. In addition we should bust his union.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Dogs are often black or brown.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Kawasaki Nun posted:

None of what you wrote describes a police officer to me

What does? He seems just fine.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Cop gay. So What posted:

Kill yourself before a police officer loses his vacation days for having to do it for you.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
It's rare for cops to patrol in pairs in the US and it's rare for cops to patrol alone outside the US.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
As far as I'm aware, most South American countries, almost all European countries, Russia, China and far east and middle east patrol in pairs.

So America-lite gets a pass.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013


Skoll posted:

How many of these have you actually been to and have observed?

Most of em. Sorry I'm not a shut in nerd.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

EXTREME INSERTION posted:

What does it feel like to be tazed

It is not as bad as being pepper sprayed. The pain of tasing ends quickly, OC doesn't. I received so much that I had to be dragged to the showers with my head in a milk bucket.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
No joke me when I was still in the service.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
I can't sing anymore since my puberty hit.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Captain Bravo posted:

Yeah, "officer" safety, gently caress the enlisted.

My man.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Cop gay. So What posted:

My coworkers aren't dicks, but half are lazy and the other half incompetent. I guess that covers most depts across the country as well.

As all republicans.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
I'm private security, I kit out my Prius with all amber lights and I carry a big ring of keys.

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Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Untagged is referring to a less known gay act.

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