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huskarl_marx posted:I can't be the only person who has a palpable hunger for high res scans of the graphic manuscript Indeed you are not.
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Apr 17, 2015 01:41
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Reconsider. B-Herb and Kandy try to write in Frank's style and don't always succeed, but Leto's Golden Path actually is about not getting murdered by those robits the prequels feature. It's not the most elegant ending, but it's assembled from Frank's notes. You would literally have to show me a signed copy of the "notes" where Frank Herbert came up with the lamest robot war this side of Genisys before I will believe that was the intent of Leto II's Golden Path. Correct me if I'm wrong but there was nothing at all in FH's books that suggested the Butlerian Jihad was literally a terminator style robot war. I always got the impression man's "enslavement" by machines was figurative and the Jihad was a war to free his spirit from the complacency born of convenience.
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Apr 17, 2015 03:06
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Applewhite posted:You would literally have to show me a signed copy of the "notes" where Frank Herbert came up with the lamest robot war this side of Genisys before I will believe that was the intent of Leto II's Golden Path. Correct me if I'm wrong but there was nothing at all in FH's books that suggested the Butlerian Jihad was literally a terminator style robot war. I always got the impression man's "enslavement" by machines was figurative and the Jihad was a war to free his spirit from the complacency born of convenience. I thought the Butlerian Jihad was long in the past; how can it be affected by the Golden Path? Or does this have to do with Brian Herbertrocities I'm better off not knowing about?
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Apr 17, 2015 03:07
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Happy Hedonist posted:We all think you're retarded. hemophilia posted:defending post-Frank Dune is a bad troll and yeah retarded Oh man I'm sorry I triggered you guys about a cool book series and its series of adaptions even though things never live up to expectations. I'm going to watch "Jodorowsky's Dune" shortly, I'll let you all know how it turns out! If I like it, and still like those other things, I hope it doesn't further enrage anyone!  Applewhite posted:You would literally have to show me a signed copy of the "notes" where Frank Herbert came up with the lamest robot war this side of Genisys before I will believe that was the intent of Leto II's Golden Path. Correct me if I'm wrong but there was nothing at all in FH's books that suggested the Butlerian Jihad was literally a terminator style robot war. I always got the impression man's "enslavement" by machines was figurative and the Jihad was a war to free his spirit from the complacency born of convenience. "[Leto] fell silent, gathering his strength, but he felt the energy flowing from him even as he tried to hold it. Once more, the clamor arose within him -- voices pleading and shouting. "Every historical reference to the Scattering and the Famine Times has to be taken out and reexamined! What have we to fear? No Ixian machine can do what we, the descendants of Duncan Idaho and Siona, have done. How many universes have we populated? None can guess. No one person will ever know. Does the Church fear the occasional prophet? We know that the visionaries cannot see us nor predict our decisions. No death can find all of humankind." No ancestral presences would remain in her consciousness, but she would carry with her forever afterward the clear sights and sounds and smells. The seeking machines would be there, the smell of blood and entrails, the cowering humans in their burrows aware only that they could not escape . . . while all the time the mechanical movement approached, nearer and nearer and nearer ...louder...louder! Everywhere she searched, it would be the same. No escape anywhere." — God Emperor of Dune CAPT. Rainbowbeard fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Apr 17, 2015 |
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Apr 17, 2015 03:10
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They may upgrade you from retarded, to retarted.
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Apr 17, 2015 03:15
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I thought the Butlerian Jihad was long in the past; how can it be affected by the Golden Path? Or does this have to do with Brian Herbertrocities I'm better off not knowing about? The Golden Path doesn't affect the Butlerian Jihad, but (according to Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson) not all the robots were killed. They Evolved, they look and feel human, there are many copies (of Omnius and Erasmus, the boss robots) and they have a plan... According to BH and KJA, the "Golden Path" put humanity on the road to defeat the robots when they came back for revenge. The True Kwizatz Haderach turns out to be the ultimate mediator and he brokers a peace w/ the robots
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Apr 17, 2015 03:16
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The Face Dancers are basically Cylons. This has all happened before. It will all happen again.
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Apr 17, 2015 03:19
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Applewhite posted:The Golden Path doesn't affect the Butlerian Jihad, but (according to Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson) not all the robots were killed. They Evolved, they look and feel human, there are many copies (of Omnius and Erasmus, the boss robots) and they have a plan... That is really dumb, and also did they steal the ideas from Moore and Eick, or vice versa?
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Apr 17, 2015 03:20
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:"[Leto] fell silent, gathering his strength, but he felt the energy flowing from him even as he tried to hold it. Once more, the clamor arose within him -- voices pleading and shouting. "Every historical reference to the Scattering and the Famine Times has to be taken out and reexamined! What have we to fear? No Ixian machine can do what we, the descendants of Duncan Idaho and Siona, have done. How many universes have we populated? None can guess. No one person will ever know. Does the Church fear the occasional prophet? We know that the visionaries cannot see us nor predict our decisions. No death can find all of humankind." No ancestral presences would remain in her consciousness, but she would carry with her forever afterward the clear sights and sounds and smells. The seeking machines would be there, the smell of blood and entrails, the cowering humans in their burrows aware only that they could not escape . . . while all the time the mechanical movement approached, nearer and nearer and nearer ...louder...louder! Everywhere she searched, it would be the same. No escape anywhere." — God Emperor of Dune This bears further examination. It's been literally a decade since I read GEoD.
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Apr 17, 2015 03:25
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:"[Leto] fell silent, gathering his strength, but he felt the energy flowing from him even as he tried to hold it. Once more, the clamor arose within him -- voices pleading and shouting. "Every historical reference to the Scattering and the Famine Times has to be taken out and reexamined! What have we to fear? No Ixian machine can do what we, the descendants of Duncan Idaho and Siona, have done. How many universes have we populated? None can guess. No one person will ever know. Does the Church fear the occasional prophet? We know that the visionaries cannot see us nor predict our decisions. No death can find all of humankind." No ancestral presences would remain in her consciousness, but she would carry with her forever afterward the clear sights and sounds and smells. The seeking machines would be there, the smell of blood and entrails, the cowering humans in their burrows aware only that they could not escape . . . while all the time the mechanical movement approached, nearer and nearer and nearer ...louder...louder! Everywhere she searched, it would be the same. No escape anywhere." — God Emperor of Dune Wait, it's been years since I've read this - and before reading the prequels - so I might be mixing it up but at the time I remember thinking he was referring to IX's attempt at creating a sort of mechanical Kwisatz Haderach in violation of the anti-AI accords that could predict the future and thus replace guild navigators and where that would ultimately lead. These weren't left overs from the Butlerian Jihad, it was a whole "those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it" thing.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I thought the Butlerian Jihad was long in the past; how can it be affected by the Golden Path? Or does this have to do with Brian Herbertrocities I'm better off not knowing about? Oh god, I read one of those. The one about the Butlerian Jihad. The most pathetically stupid thing in the novel to me (among many) was that the Earth gets nuked to kill the main robot mind, but it's explained beforehand that everyone on the planet was already dead because the robots had already killed them, so nobody actually died from the nukes and the revolutionaries didn't have any actual human blood on their hands from it. quote:The clamor continued, and finally, surprisingly, Serena Butler made her way to the speakers’ dome beside Xavier. “Earth is nothing more than a festering graveyard now, with evil thinking machines trampling through it. Every living human being there has already been slaughtered.” She drew a deep breath, her lavender eyes blazing. “What is left to preserve?What have we got to lose?” Even a ten year old would recognize this as a bullshit maneuver that's meant to excuse the author from having to deal with complicated moral issues brought up by the plot and his characters actions. But, welp, a grown-assity Brian Herbert, then in his mid-50s, went ahead and did it anyway because he's a hack who only knows black-and-white melodrama.
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Kthulhu5000 posted:Oh god, I read one of those. The one about the Butlerian Jihad. Isn't this the same one where a guy is forced to watch his sister gang raped before having her throat slit or something? It's been years since I read it. I don't think moral issues were much of a problem for Brian, he's just a poo poo writer.
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Apr 17, 2015 05:27
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Bubble-T posted:Isn't this the same one where a guy is forced to watch his sister gang raped before having her throat slit or something? It's been years since I read it. It might have been. You're correct that Brian Herbert, being a hack writer who will write anything for the sake of shallow pathos, would probably not be hung up with moral qualms about including all manner of gross poo poo. My gripe was more that it was an exceptionally hacky way of handling an event that should have been highly significant in the story. Probably because having to deal with the ethical and moral repercussions, leading up to it and the aftermath, would have otherwise been a lot more work for him plot-wise.
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1 fun trick to a real cool own: just cram 'triggered' into any ol place, doesn't matter where; lol what a tumbl that dude must be
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Apr 17, 2015 06:23
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The best part of the documentary is when that dude tells how Jodorowsky have him some killer weed and he started tripping out and seeing Jodorowsky as some kind of wizard. Jodorowsky is awesome and his Dune would have been awesome but it's even more unfilmable than the book. If it were animated with Johnny Quest levels of quality it would still cost a billion dollars and be 10 hours long. I'd have loved it but it's hilarious to watch him get all excited laying out these insane amazing ideas that were and still are probably just impossible to achieve and then he gets mad because Hollywood didn't want an insane drug wizard running around with all their blockbuster money.
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Apr 17, 2015 06:51
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Robotnik Nudes posted:it's hilarious to watch him get all excited laying out these insane amazing ideas that were and still are probably just impossible to achieve and then he gets mad because Hollywood didn't want an insane drug wizard running around with all their blockbuster money. this is why the documentary was a good watch
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Apr 17, 2015 07:37
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Blind Sally posted:this is why the documentary was a good watch Agreed. Jodorowsky's endless enthusiasm is infectious.
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Apr 17, 2015 07:42
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Gatekeeper posted:
LONG LIVE DUKE LETO ARF ARF
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Apr 17, 2015 08:21
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Howard Beale posted:paul walker would have wanted it that way his hair was gross im glad hes dead
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Messiah isn't bad it's just a merely good solid book coming between two lunatic masterpieces. there's not all that much to say about it with the 800-ton timeworm in the room Messiah is basically dune's A feast for the crows
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Messiah is a good book. It's a good follow-up to Dune, but God Emperor is indeed pure insanity and Dune came out of nowhere and no followup could ever hope to capture that lightning in a bottle again.
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huskarl_marx posted:I can't be the only person who has a palpable hunger for high res scans of the graphic manuscript Why don't they just publish it? Nerds will pay any price.
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“Try looking into that place where you dare not look! You'll find me there, staring out at you!” -Jim Bob Duggar
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The Butlerian Jihads were irredeemable garbage, but 12 your old me thought the house books were pretty good for not being by Frank, if not matching the standard set by the first books.  Also, nthing the complaints about Chapterhouse and Heretics. I read the books from Dune to God Emperor in 6th grade, but wasn't able to come back and finish the series for years after that. Still don't know what the space jew bits had to do with anything.
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Lasher posted:Still got a bit choked up at the end when he started crying and throwing money away, I also noticed he had a couple hundred euros in walking around money, so yeah Alejandro, you can talk poo poo on money WHEN YOU HAVE IT
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"I'm raping Frank Herbert"
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Kikka posted:orson welles as baron harkonnen. This all sounds really good.
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