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Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
owned. thanks Obama.

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Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
I am also hoping oracle curb stomps Oregon and that the feds not only side w/ oracle but also obliterate the corrupt as poo poo Oregon government.

without our heroes in oracles legal team fighting for justice, no one would have known just how bad Oregon's state government truly is.

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

idk why you need wine. windows licenses are pretty cheap.

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
because people should be paid for their work.

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
oracle claims a copyright on the java standard library API. this standard library ships with every copy of java so that people can code against it using the standard classes and interfaces defined by the API. this makes code more interoperable and portable.

google decided to use java as the language for android and they could have written their own standard library + API, but instead they decided to copy the standard library API from oracle. they claim the implementation is original work (questionable) but the API is unquestioningly copied straight up from oracle. this is so goog could take advantage of all the preexisting code out there in the java world. this also makes their claim that the implementation is original work highly suspect since changes to the implementation could cause compatibility problems with regular java libs.

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

Ludwig van Halen posted:

the claim is that Google copied the Java api for some reason. so the code you write for android is Java but not really

I still don't know why goog opted for Java in the first place. so all those Java se devs could port their desktop apps to android...?

there is a massive amount of preexisting java code covering loads of problems so if you need to do something, theres like a 99% chance theres already a java lib for it. Also, java is massively popular so there are loads of developers who already understand it. lastly, its a pretty good language on its own and their only other language choice would have been c# and they aren't gonna poke that bear.

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

Ludwig van Halen posted:

so it sounds like google didn't have the foresight to know phone apps are not desktop apps. much like their tablet strategy. got it

idk what you mean by that

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
most of java then was server side stuff. desktop java apps died when sun kicked Microsoft out. not that it matters as java is identical on desktop server or phone.

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

Perplx posted:

doesn't this mean that microsoft's recently announced obj-c iOS compiler for windows 10 phone is also illegal?

iirc Microsoft and apple have a massive cross licensing agreement so they basically do w/e they want w/ each others stuff.

but it would also depend on the licensing of the ios objective c libraries and if Microsoft is actually using copyrighted material. if they're just using the language and no objc standard libs there might not even be any concern.

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Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
I hope he buys the moon and turns it into a yacht

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