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Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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Rand Paul met with Cliven Bundy because of course he did

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Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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Oh and leaks from the Feds are saying the fire at the Greeleyville church was not arson

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Jan 9, 2011

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mdemone posted:

So is that five arsons, and three accidental fires at black churches in just two weeks? What the gently caress is going on here?

3 arsons, 2 under investigation, 3 probable accidental. But yeah

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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So there was a brawl at the SC statehouse. Apparently 10 confederacy supporters rolled up in their confederate flag emblazoned trucks, hopped out, and got into it with 30 patriots. It isn't clear who threw the first punch at this time.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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Sir Tonk posted:

And they might up the number of subordinates to around five as well, but nothing will be certain for a few weeks or so.


We've seen the response from the Retail Federation, or whatever, to the proposed changes, but I'm curious to see how it plays out over the next year, especially given that it's an election year. This doesn't seem as easy to spin as most Dem policy changes, but I'm sure the GOP will come up with some way to convince wage slaves that it's actually better if they don't get overtime.

My money is on them completely ignoring it. Outright rescinding it like they how they go back and forth with the Dems on the regulation about the Mexico Ciry Policy (support for abortions abroad) is one thing. This, well, it's real hard to imagine even Scott Walker getting up there and bragging how he will unilaterally remove overtime pay from millions of people.

The part I can see them going after is Obama pegging it to inflation (he set the limit as the 40th percentile of incomes). Tampering with cutoff point growth rates is sufficiently technical and boring that you aren't going to see it on the 5 o'clock news, and it's hard to cram "index limiting bounds to a higher percentile of pre-tax income distribution data" onto a bumper sticker or into a chant.

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Jan 9, 2011

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Internet Webguy posted:

Seeing as how many companies have been updating their terms of services, seems like this is having a real "kicking the hive" effect, even though the bees are actively loving over everyone who isn't a threat whatsoever.

I'd imagine some real odorous employment policy changes coming down the pipeline due to this.

The company I'm at is usually slow as hell about everything, but 13 hours after this was announced HR was over in IT explaining new classification was coming to keep people as computer professionals for the purposes of FLSA section (13)(a)(1) so they wouldn't get overtime

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Jan 9, 2011

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PostNouveau posted:

Eventually we'll all be working for subcontracting firms that mysteriously vanish every time a labor suit is filed. And wouldn't you know it, another firm just opened up to take its place with all the same employees minus the troublemakers. It's too bad that labor suit won't pay out since the last firm went bankrupt.

Pretty much. It won't even be some crabby manager making the decision, they will take a page from the old UK Economic League and their index cards. Your social media profiles will be scanned, indexed and cross referenced, and if a pattern matching algorithm sees you match the profile of a "disruptive element" you will see the hours of your zero-minimum-time contract reduced until your new signals indicate compliance or you leave.

But that will be more a problem for the next generation so all we can really do is try to hammer in electronic protections and labor standards before that comes about while hoping for the best

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Jan 9, 2011

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GlyphGryph posted:

... but everything about the new changes do, in fact, apply to IT workers, right? Since it's just changing the exemption threshold?

Unless more details have come out since it was first announced, no, because as it stands there is a loophole for "computer specialists". It's part a hold over from the 70s when these were last updated and part because they don't want to pay the network administrator time and a half because the server crapped out Saturday night

DemeaninDemon posted:

Isn't there a TV show about this exact thing with the heroes fighting against their corporate masters?

I dunno I don't watch much TV. I took it from something that came up at a "future of the industry" talk I went to last month.

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Jan 9, 2011

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Joementum posted:

If it's wrong to eat beef and drink whiskey through the rectum, I don't want to be right. :colbert:

that we once shoved whiskey and beef bullion up a President's butt until he died will never not be funny.

I mean, for the family and the nation, it was tragic.

But say that sentence out loud. Its hilarious.

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Jan 9, 2011

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I'm serious about Garfield's death being a tragedy for the nation BTW. He entered office with a plan to beat back the rose of Jim Crow and build from the Civil Rights Act of 1875 to push for racial equality.

But then he was assassinated and Arthur didn't care about the issue and the SCOTUS ruled the CRA of 1875 unconstitutional and history played out as it did. It's an intriguing counterfactual though, what if the big steps forward we made on race in the 60s had happened 80 years prior? Where would we be now?

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Jan 9, 2011

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Joementum posted:

It's a callback to the 2013 shutdown march!



You know, I'm pretty sure that in any other context, waving the Confederate flag outside the home of a black family while telling them to get out of here would be regarded as an intensely threatening act. But given that it's the president we have to pretend that isn't exactly what was going on there.

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computer parts posted:

On the plus side his death forced a major reform of the civil service which was probably the major reason why corruption is kept to a minimum here (at least compared to [developing country of your choice]).

Oh also Plessy v Ferguson was like 15 years after he was elected so he probably wouldn't have done much.

Yeah but his appointments to the court and the lower courts could have changed the makeup, blocked assholes from White from getting appointed, etc, and prevented Plessy v Ferguson. You never know.

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Jan 9, 2011

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MonsieurChoc posted:

I mean, I'd seen Inside Job, I'd watched (and read) the Corproation, none of this is exactly new to me.

It's just somehow worse than I wanted to know.

When you get to The Divide I recommend a paperback rather than ebook copy. Mainly because there will be multiple times you get pissed off and hurl it across the room, and replacing tablets like that will get expensive.

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Jan 9, 2011

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Demon Of The Fall posted:

MSNBC saying there's an active shooter at the DC Naval Yard.

God dammit not again. It hasn't even been 2 years

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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Job report out, unemployment down to 5.3%, but only added 221k jobs, labor force participation was down, hourly compensation was down

So not terrible, but not really good either. Really questioning the Feds assertion that they needed to let off the injection because the economy was about to take off

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Jan 9, 2011

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Obdicut posted:

The injection is only benefitting the 1%, it's trickle-down. We need big infrastructure projects and other job creation by the gubmint, which isn't going to happen because the GOP are lunatics.

I agree that fiscal policy would be a better solution but monetary policy is better than nothing

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Jan 9, 2011

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zoux posted:

Somebody is doing the raping, Don, I mean, you know -- I mean, somebody's doing it. You think it's women being raped, well who is doing the raping? Who is doing the raping? I mean how can you say such a thing.

I summon the soul of Richard Nixon, Joementum, to tell us if there is a more objectively disastrous presidential campaign rollout than Donald Trump.

He surged to second place, Christie's has gone off with all the energy of a squeaker of a fart.

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Jan 9, 2011

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Raerlynn posted:

Wha ... What in the bluest of blue fucks am I reading here? Trump is literally insane isn't he?

Editor of the National Review (the "intellectual bastion of conservatism") took to politico to defend Trumps remarks

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Jan 9, 2011

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DemeaninDemon posted:

The persecution complex of the tea party eats this poo poo up.

Yeah, this. There are a bunch of pieces lightly distancing themselves from what he said and then railing about "the new censorship of the left!"

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Jan 9, 2011

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withak posted:

Trump's campaign will stop the moment he has to spend his own money, right? I have a hard time picturing him doing stuff that can't be paid for by contributions from rubes or can't be written off against sales of something.

Well the good news for him is that this poo poo is getting him free publicity, accolades from the GOP base for "being under attack by liberals" and support from republicans already willing to say the subtext of their positions as plain text, like Steve King

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Jan 9, 2011

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MonsieurChoc posted:

As I near the end of Griftopia, I find myself wanting to strangle Rahm Emanuel through the page.

I assume this a common sentiment.

Most people just add him to their ignore list

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Jan 9, 2011

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Joementum posted:

Quote of the day, "You know what, I'm not your candidate. I don't want you to vote for me. I couldn't disagree with you more." ~ Lindsey Graham, in response to an Iowan who suggested the US ban Islam to fight ISIS.

I've been very pleased by Graham's campaign. He is actively calling out the crazies. Like the one the other week where it was "politics and pool", and it ended up going very poorly. There was some rear end in a top hat ranting about the confederate flag and using full our slurs, and Graham absolutely poo poo him down. It also killed the dialogue and no one wanted to talk anymore, so they moved it to pool. No one wanted to play him, so he challenged the racist rear end in a top hat, who had to them play him or lose even more face. Graham beat him, badly.

I'll never ever vote for the guy, but I'm in full support of the GOP becoming a sane opposition party again. Graham should keep it up

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Jan 9, 2011

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Pellisworth posted:

Thanks, I'm happy to try and be an ambassador for Plains Indians on this forum, recognizing the fact that I'm a very white motherfucker whose family settled on a Lakota Sioux reservation many decades ago. We're respected in the community but I emphatically do not claim any Native American heritage.

I'mma call my parents tomorrow, if there are any specific questions feel free to post or PM me and I'll ask.

Edit: and if you're at all interested in Plains Indian culture, check this out: http://www.amazon.com/Lifes-Journey-Zuya-Oral-Teachings-Rosebud/dp/1607811847

It's by Albert White Hat who almost single-handedly saved the Lakota Sioux language from extinction and got it taught in schools again. Also a professor at the Rosebud college and tribal elder.

He passed away a couple years ago but was very focused on communicating the Lakota language, religion, and philosophy authentically without Western influence.

How bad is the situation with cross-jurisdictional sexual assault? I know it was quite bad five years ago when congress refused to do anything about it, has law enforcement found an accommodation in absence of a law, or is it still frequent, and if the latter do you have any figures?

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Mecca-Benghazi posted:

I thought there were provisions in the VAWA for American Indians (that is, not Alaska Natives) to let their own courts try non Indians who assault or rape on the rez. Last I heard, there are three tribes provisionally getting things in place for that, it's probably further along by now.
I was unaware of that, do you have any more details?

My Imaginary GF posted:

Seems like a bit of a misleading statistic. Who are the non-native men? Are they non-tribe members who are seen as native, engage in native culture, and are native in every way but for tribal benefits?

They are the assholes who will slip over on to the reservation, rape, and then hop back across the border because then jurisdiction means they can't be touched. And repeat this poo poo ad nauseum.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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https://twitter.com/wyethwire/status/617159426374565888

I can't pull out the video to past it here, but enjoy the weepy rear end in a top hat tears. Think of it like freep, but in robocall left on an answering machine form

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Jan 9, 2011

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Sir Tonk posted:

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national/sister-accused-charleston-church-shooter-asks-dona/nmqZM/

So how long till the Koch brothers buy gofundme?


Maybe she'll do another gofundme if her fiancee gets deployed before their next wedding date.

What? I mean, she didn't do anything, she just got dragged down in the wave of poo poo her brother created and is in a hard place as a result.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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happy 4th goons. remember, chris kyle (are biggest troop's hero) did not die so that non patriot food stamp user's could lite firework's

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Jan 9, 2011

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Oh, it's July 5th now, is it?

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Jan 9, 2011

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mrbradlymrmartin posted:

ooh now i want a velvet obama

you won't be able to afford one now that you have to make your ObamaCare payments

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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Looking like Greece is flipping off the Euro, by a fairly large margin, and will default on the bailout of French and German banks.

In the abstract I think this is good, but in practical terms I really doubt that the financial markets accepted the possibility the creditor's extortion would stop, and appropriately priced the risk and are in a position to handle what results. I have no foreknowledge and haven't combed through the financial sheets or models real vent here, so take my comments with a mountain of salt.

Never mind the slide we've been seeing in the Shanghai index lately.

So yeah, interesting times ahead.

Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jul 5, 2015

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Boon posted:

I don't think you can consider the result, either way, good. However, I do think the possibility of a "Grexit" is pretty bad.

I pretty much fall on the side of this: http://www.interfluidity.com/v2/5965.html

Debt isn't a morality play, this has been a twisted bailout that has utterly screwed the people of Greece and the larger goal of the EU in favor of a banking elite. Greece long ago made the demanded structural reforms, most of those reforms where transparent ploys to serve the elites rather than resolve the economic crisis, and the promised growth has not shown.

From an American security perspective, had Greece knuckled under, the next thing being batted about was turning to Russia to get funds to pay the demands, investments to offset the damage that the demands are inflicting to the Greek economy, and an ally against the billionaires screwing them over. I'm much happier with Merkel reluctant to increase sanctions because she lost political face than with Putin expanding his reach because Greece has been backed into a corner.

I fully acknowledge that there are going to be larger economic repercussions. My hope is that the fallout will be limited and this won't trigger a return to recession. That said, the Greek situation was clearly unsustainable and it had to come to a head at some point, the question was just one of "when".

Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jul 5, 2015

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Jan 9, 2011

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Spatula City posted:

This whole thing with Greece is pretty strong evidence that Germany is still evil, isn't it?

This is much more the bankers and international financiers calling the shots than any popular will of the german people, or even of the german government, so...


Klaus88 posted:

:godwin:


You'd think Germany would have figured out by now that enraging the rest of the world never ends well for them.

in popular opinion polls Germany is presently the most liked and respected country out there, so....

Broken Machine posted:

I kind of like the idea of this devolving into a military incursion, with the Germans fighting against Golden Dawn.

there has been a military coup and popular revolt against it in living memory in Greece, so...

Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Jul 6, 2015

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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:holy:

5-2 win over Japan in the World Cup finals. USA #1 baby. Most credit goes to Carli Lloyd with a world record hat trick in the first 15 minutes, including an amazing shot from midfield.

All hail the queen.

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Jan 9, 2011

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mandatory lesbian posted:

yeah, this is real political?!?!?!

It's a direct result of Nixon signing Title IX

:patriot:


Also, Biden is at the game

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Jan 9, 2011

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chitoryu12 posted:

At this rate, without some pretty big luck and/or altruism Greece is going to need to just start over from the ground up.

Sovereign defaults are nothing new. We know exactly how to handle them to keep things rolling. They will have a few rough years of devaluation, cuts, and inflation, but that beats the hell out of that many years of only cuts. The only issues would be
A) Finance fuckery with derivatives based around the idea they could squeeze Greece forever exists and is about to blow up.
B) the EU and the billionaires that have been behind the last few years of pain decide to destroy Greece to punish them for not paying and to prevent left wing parties from spreading further by showing that if you leave they will destroy your economy

YMMV depending on which of those you think is probable

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Jan 9, 2011

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FAUXTON posted:

How bad off is Greece in comparison to Iceland?

The Beard has been discussing this in blog posts sporadically now, here is the start of his recent looks at Greece . Short version is it isn't a very good comparison, not because of their relative positions, but because leaving the Euro provides different conditions than having never joined. Greece could theoretically follow their model, but the different preconditions make it questionable

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Jan 9, 2011

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Grundulum posted:

I assumed you were talking about Krugman, but that link goes back to the Louise Story article about derivatives.

Dammit try this

http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/krugman/2015/06/09/the-least-worst-crisis/?referrer=

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Jan 9, 2011

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DemeaninDemon posted:

I thought the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

It wasn't over when that happened though.






Hacking Team got breached and had 400 GB of data stolen. The U.S. was one of their clients. For those who don't know, Hacking Team bills itself as a private sector law enforcement agency that focuses on "offensive security", specifically for cyber investigations. Or in other words, if the police want to snoop on your computer, but don't have the technical expertise, they contract it out to Hacking Team who grabs everything for them. Now realize that "lack the technical expertise" really means "lacks the legal authority to break in to the system and put in remote control systems to evade encryption through means of an agent directly installed in the device to monitor. Basically if the cops can't get a warrant, they can go to Hacking Team and those good private citizens can pass along anything they find and its every bit as legal as if I call in a report about a body I find if I'm trespassing on your land.

Anyways, they got breached and now the data is out there. So far the UK (particularly the London Met) is looking a lot worse, but at a minimum, all the login information for all these U.S. Security services is now blowing in the wind.



Also, Shanghai Index is still hosed, it is now down 24% since June 12th, or to translate that into dollar terms, a bit more than $2.4 Trillion U.S. has evaporated. Now it's true that the relative isolation of Chinese markets helps firewall it (foreign investors only own about 2% of Chinese equities) but still very very not good. Remember that as today everyone starts hyperventilating about Greece, which is about 1/10th of what has already disappeared there.

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Jan 9, 2011

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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

Just FYI, this is incorrect

Ok, going back to where I got the "break" explaining "what they were really doing" it looks like their initial reporting of HT working with the Melbourne police doing that was someone misunderstanding of a "lawful intercept" product and the rush to reporting this morning. They just plant spyware and sell exploits.

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Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

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So South Carolina is debating the confederate flag today. And state senator Lee Bright stepped up to speak. And promptly went off the rails

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