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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Did you end up engaging the enemy in a firefight? Not asking if you killed somebody, just if you actually got under fire at some point, or if you served behind the front lines.

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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Truga posted:

It's true, though. There hasn't been a communist state yet. Some called themselves that, but that's like the USA calling themselves a democracy :laugh:

Since there's a virtually infinite number of strains of Communism, it's better not to use that term, and rather use s specific designation that gives you a chance of not being a Marxist-Leninist or Maoist hell-hoe.

In my opinion the only people who figured out a serious plan of integrating socialism on a broad consensual social platform were Tolstoy and Catholic neo-Tomist philosophers.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Friendly Tumour posted:

Is there any evidence of the Odessa clashes being organized by anyone, as opposed to being an example of anarchic violence between two mobs?
Yes, it was organized by pro-Russian groups who went through the city trying to pick fights, and when they retreated from a peaceful gathering into the buiding, they opened fire into the ground from the roof. Also they literally
barred the innocents from escaping the building. The fortunate few who managed to escape through ground floor windows got away with no harm.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Runaktla posted:

I've also personally been to Ukraine, and western Ukraine at that (between Lviv and Ternopil mainly), and nobody gave a poo poo about someone being Russian speaking, let alone in Kiev.

I suppose I could not say with 100% certainty but my guess is OP is full of poo poo making up excuses for killing people to get away from the "lawyer" life (being a lawyer myself, I kind of understand the pressure to beat the everliving snot out of somebody for no reason, but doesn't make it right!)

Before the war most media was published in Russian, all over Ukraine. Russian was actually the privieged language, not the other way around.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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kalstrams posted:

Legacy of Soviet barbers that had the jobs assigned to them.

I'll et you know that Mr. Bean made that haircut popular in the West.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Paladinus posted:

Erm, no. Legally, only Ukrainian was the official language. All foreign movies in theatres were dubbed in Ukrainian, all Russian films on Ukrainian television had to be subtitled and all official documents were in Ukrainian apart from places where the Russian had the regional language status. Russian wasn't exactly illegal or anything, but it was far from being privileged.

Most publishers printed books and magazines mainy in Russian. 60% of radio stations broadcasted in Russian. Most TV broadcasting was in Russian. I don't really remember the precise name of the analysis I got the numbers from, but I guess I could reproduce it if asked.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Jarmak posted:

I don't want to appear to be supporting the Russian side on this but I'm afraid my experience in Lviv was exactly the opposite, I quickly stopped trying to practice my Russian because literally every time I got an angry response along the lines of "I'm not Russian, speak English".

I concur, when I was to Lviv, one of my friends tried to use his Russian, and ultimately we settled on my English because it produced no negative reactions. Lviv is certainly a tourist city, but based on what I've seen in the hostel we used, it was not about Russian tourism.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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It's just one of the many looter videos. The one that has literally changed me for the worse was a video of a bombardment victim who got her legs blown off, yet remained somewhat lucid for a while - and even before she died, Novorussian looters took her jewellery and other valuables. They swarmed around the dying, desperate woman like vultures.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Nitrox posted:

Care to link it?

It's in one of the D&D threads with my comment linked to it, hosted by Liveleaks... I have no desire to revisit that nightmare fuel - it remains by far the worst thing I've seen, even in the age of isis.

steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Jul 18, 2015

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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lightpole posted:

Cossacks are an ethnicity recognized by the Russian government. Per se.

How do you feel about the racism exhibited at Russian football matches? Do you believe it to be endemic to Russian society?
Is there a European nation that doesn't have problems with rampant racism presented through football pageantry?

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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kedo posted:

Wait I missed it. Why is the Ukrainian government illegal?

Also answer my last question, OP.

People like the OP believe Yanukovich was forced into exile by a violent mob, which is more convenient than the reality in which he packed his coffers with stolen money and ran away in the middle of transition talks in the Parliament (after he had already made some agreements with the opposition), because his own party disowned him and he was suddenly in danger of being held accountable for the same things he had nailed Timoshenko for, and more.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Paladinus posted:

Propaganda can be created by non-state-owned media, too. See: Rupert Murdoch.

So Russian media are just as good / bad as any other media, even if Russia reports one thing and the rest of the world reports the opposite, in unison and regardless of borders, ownership, language...?

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Dusty Baker 2 posted:

Those are Berkut riot police during Euromaidan in 2014. Same as this:



This is a sign f peace and friendship.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Everybody itt has contributed to the chronic suffering of 192,619 people through their posting alone.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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The only way in which a man can partake on evil is to have ill will; accusing people of being evil is in itself an act of evil, for a man is to seek an eradication of evil (which is a deficit of goodness rather than a presence of some opposite of goodness) without willful judgement, and therefore it is a sin.

- Thomas Aquinas ethics

A person isn't tacitly responsible for the acts of his government, because his legal responsibilities and moral responsibilities exist separately and in most circumstances do not infringe upon each other.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Chichevache posted:

To do good would be to make the world a better place through positive action. Instead I am posting on something awful for my own entertainment. This act is selfish. Selfishness is evil.

I am doing evil by posting this.

Yes, it does, yet living in a country whose government has started a war doesn't make you evil.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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Keldoclock posted:

I'm pretty sure it makes you either accept that war and killing of innocent people is an unavoidable part of human existence, or that you are a coward who refuses to give up his way of life (read:vanity) to protect said innocents.

Wilfully joining an unjust war isn't the same as living secluded from an unjust war declared by somebody else, or even being recruited to an unjust war. The just war theory is usually only cited in debates over collateral damage these days, but it actually contributes heavily to the notion of individual guilt-

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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waitwhatno posted:

No one has been able to solve this old riddle in 5000 years.

It's actually an elementary problem solved in most Philosophy 101 classes.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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KirbyKhan posted:

Real talk: what's the solution? 100% curious

Well, the first philosopher anybody studies is Plato. Plato posits that goodness is virtue; and virtue is acting in accordance with the idea of the object of one's action (i.e. good action is whatever helps anybody to be more efficient and effective in their duties - goodness is therefore a measure of participation on one's being, which is in turn a measure of one's actualization vis a vis an essential quality, as opposed to potentiality). So providing pants for a man is a virtuous act, for it improves the goodness participated by the object by increasing his comfort without decreasing his ability to be productive.

The problem becomes more elaborate in latter philosophers, but this should be enough to describe the basic problem and its resolution.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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waitwhatno posted:

Checks out. I'll call Confucius right away.

Confucius is like the Coelho of antiquity, a loving mediocre thinker who is popular because he used aphorisms instead of more elaborate literal forms.

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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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waitwhatno posted:

I'm starting to suspect that there is really some retarded Confucian parable about gun violence and pants making that I'm not aware of.

While that particular problem is not present in there, it's basically conforming to the fundamental philosophical questions. It's not like you made up something that is completely absurd, and that can't be related to existing philosophical schools.

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