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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:no it'll destroy unskilled jobs because major corporations like mcdonalds and walmart will invest heavily in automation to cut down payrolls
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im a small business part owner and I say socialism is good and GOP economics are retarded
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Aug 12, 2015 21:21
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like even from a conservative perspective trump pretty much admitted to bribing government officials in the debate
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Aug 12, 2015 21:22
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:no it'll destroy unskilled jobs because major corporations like mcdonalds and walmart will invest heavily in automation to cut down payrolls except they won't because people don't like that poo poo. wal mart has already tried those self checkout lanes and while they are used by some people, most customers overwhelmingly prefer a human being and use that. if mcdonalds could switch to full automation why don't they? many restaurants offer little apps that let you order your food and cash registers these days are basically the same thing. they could do it and stop paying millions of people and their profits would soar, but it won't work. this stupid robots-replacing-the-workers argument has been going on for 100 years, and still we need workers.
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Aug 12, 2015 21:23
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people have been railing against minimum wage since it was introduced. half the country needs to constantly be yanked into progress like the brats they are.
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Aug 12, 2015 21:23
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Aug 12, 2015 21:23
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workers who don't support increasing the minimum wage litrilly only do this because they want to make themselves feel better by stomping on someone they perceive as below them they are stupid
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Aug 12, 2015 21:24
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Leon Einstein posted:Yeah, Walmart will just have robots working there...what a reasonable assumption. yes robots could never stock shelves in a giant wa- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quWFjS3Ci7A Commie NedFlanders posted:except they won't because people don't like that poo poo. wal mart has already tried those self checkout lanes and while they are used by some people, most customers overwhelmingly prefer a human being and use that. well at least registers can only be run by pe- http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/2015/03/26/create-your-taste-menu/70499122/ finally, whats to stop walmart or mcd's from saying "gently caress you, all robocheckout all the time"? people aren't going to either for the sake of sterling customer service
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Aug 12, 2015 21:29
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Commie NedFlanders posted:workers who don't support increasing the minimum wage litrilly only do this because they want to make themselves feel better by stomping on someone they perceive as below them ^^^ this super hard. My girlfriend's dad makes like $15/hr like managing a computer recycler's trucking dispatches and he's all butthurt about the idea of unskilled workers making what he makes. Sorry your company pays you a bare minimum living wage to do important poo poo? 
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:yes robots could never stock shelves in a giant wa- Walmart isn't a giant warehouse. Hth.
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Aug 12, 2015 21:34
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robots replacing human labor is inevitable, minimum wage or not, and that's why it's a dumb argument maybe we shouldn't have invented refrigeration either, think of all the ice delivery jobs lost just create good real jobs not fast food poo poo. those jobs suck anyway you can't support a family on that.
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Aug 12, 2015 21:35
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Leon Einstein posted:Walmart isn't a giant warehouse. Hth. lol you're retarded if you think what works for amazon can't be adapted to other situations that involve big box buildings Moridin920 posted:robots replacing human labor is inevitable, minimum wage or not yes, but raising the minimum wage is a sharp incentive for corporations to increase the tempo re: r&d
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Aug 12, 2015 21:38
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deadly_pudding posted:^^^ this super hard. My girlfriend's dad makes like $15/hr like managing a computer recycler's trucking dispatches and he's all butthurt about the idea of unskilled workers making what he makes. He def. deserves more than new minimum and you should try to refocus his butthurt toward his boss for not paying him what his work (avoid the word labor, pinko) is worth.
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Aug 12, 2015 21:42
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the point is raising the minimum wage is not an effective fix when we're on the cusp of seeing a huge contraction in the job pool in the service industry on par with the implosion of the automotive industry
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Aug 12, 2015 21:42
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:the point is raising the minimum wage is not an effective fix when we're on the cusp of seeing a huge contraction in the job pool in the service industry on par with the implosion of the automotive industry well we'll just kick that can down the road when we get to it sheesh
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Aug 12, 2015 21:43
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:lol you're retarded if you think what works for amazon can't be adapted to other situations that involve big box buildings
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Aug 12, 2015 21:43
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:finally, whats to stop walmart or mcd's from saying "gently caress you, all robocheckout all the time"? people aren't going to either for the sake of sterling customer service They want to eliminate check out all together actually. http://www.businessinsider.com/wal-mart-could-eliminate-the-worst-part-of-shopping-2015-6 Bottom tier Walmart type stores will totally do this but lots of people like interacting with other human beings if they can. Hard to understand as a goon, I know. But it's true.
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Aug 12, 2015 21:44
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:lol you're retarded if you think what works for amazon can't be adapted to other situations that involve big box buildings yeah maybe but they're researching furiously anyway you won't stop it by keeping wages stagnant
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Aug 12, 2015 21:45
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only robot trump can stop trump
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Aug 12, 2015 21:48
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Mr. Pumroy posted:only robot trump can stop trump 
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Aug 12, 2015 21:51
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Could you imagine the personal shame Donald Trump is going to feel after he loses and then checks his bank account.
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Aug 12, 2015 21:57
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Windows 98 posted:Could you imagine the personal shame Donald Trump is going to feel after he loses and then checks his bank account. Trump does not feel shame.
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:the point is raising the minimum wage is not an effective fix when we're on the cusp of seeing a huge contraction in the job pool in the service industry on par with the implosion of the automotive industry An elevated artificial wage floor on jobs where the workers are about to lose all bargaining power when selling their labor (not that they had much to begin with) sounds like exactly what we need.
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Aug 13, 2015 00:06
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He probably has enough rich and/or dumb people to buy this election. He already has done and said enough poo poo to sink him. It will be entertaining when the mud flies. Hillary email? She got cucked. This would be entertaining if we didn't have to live with the lesser evil for 4 years at least.
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Aug 13, 2015 01:09
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Dr. Furious posted:An elevated artificial wage floor on jobs where the workers are about to lose all bargaining power when selling their labor (not that they had much to begin with) sounds like exactly what we need. that's really the key issue. these people are already working jobs that the economy doesn't really need, and businesses don't really want to keep, but if you suddenly automate all of those jobs you suddenly have several million people with no income and no money and no hope for the future, and that might actually put the american public past the "eat the rich" tipping point. so, you have to keep these menial jobs, because it provides the barest illusion of stability, and it gives the middle class something to thumb their noses at and feel superior to. then you dither about, arguing whether or not to raise the minimum wage, because it's a good wedge issue and it again provides the illusion that life might get better for those along the bottom rungs, when really neither party has the political will to do anything substantive about it. the joke here is that there's sufficient wealth in the U.S. that every single man, woman, and child could be fed, clothed, and sheltered for the entirety of their lives, and yet the argument is about whether or not we should raise minimum wage. anyone who seriously thinks that the critical issue is about $10/hr vs $15/hr is missing the big picture
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Aug 13, 2015 02:20
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How can I apply for CEO so I can make 5,000/hr
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homeless poster posted:that's really the key issue. these people are already working jobs that the economy doesn't really need, and businesses don't really want to keep, but if you suddenly automate all of those jobs you suddenly have several million people with no income and no money and no hope for the future, and that might actually put the american public past the "eat the rich" tipping point. so, you have to keep these menial jobs, because it provides the barest illusion of stability, and it gives the middle class something to thumb their noses at and feel superior to. then you dither about, arguing whether or not to raise the minimum wage, because it's a good wedge issue and it again provides the illusion that life might get better for those along the bottom rungs, when really neither party has the political will to do anything substantive about it. I hope it's all automated and then we have to stop and think that maaaaaybe you shouldn't tie the ability to eat a food to employment haha who am i kidding we will just create a huge rotating underclass. hire some to keep the rest down, or even better automate that too.
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deadly_pudding posted:My brain read this in the voice of the badguy from Mad Max, and I was: not disappointed. I really want to see a Trump ad with scenes from Mad Max movies cut into it now.
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Aug 13, 2015 03:17
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homeless poster posted:that's really the key issue. these people are already working jobs that the economy doesn't really need, and businesses don't really want to keep, but if you suddenly automate all of those jobs you suddenly have several million people with no income and no money and no hope for the future, and that might actually put the american public past the "eat the rich" tipping point. so, you have to keep these menial jobs, because it provides the barest illusion of stability, and it gives the middle class something to thumb their noses at and feel superior to. then you dither about, arguing whether or not to raise the minimum wage, because it's a good wedge issue and it again provides the illusion that life might get better for those along the bottom rungs, when really neither party has the political will to do anything substantive about it. - a trump supporter
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homeless poster posted:that's really the key issue. these people are already working jobs that the economy doesn't really need, and businesses don't really want to keep, but if you suddenly automate all of those jobs you suddenly have several million people with no income and no money and no hope for the future, and that might actually put the american public past the "eat the rich" tipping point. so, you have to keep these menial jobs, because it provides the barest illusion of stability, and it gives the middle class something to thumb their noses at and feel superior to. then you dither about, arguing whether or not to raise the minimum wage, because it's a good wedge issue and it again provides the illusion that life might get better for those along the bottom rungs, when really neither party has the political will to do anything substantive about it. We'll have no more common sense from you, sir.
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Aug 13, 2015 03:34
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fin posted:We'll have no more common sense from you, sir. He's homeless tho
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Aug 13, 2015 03:43
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Toadvine posted:I immediately disregard your opinions if you propose that Donald Trump is not a hard worker or business savvy. Man could have coasted through life on his inherited wealth (see: his brother Fred Jr. who luxuriously drank himself to death) but he went to Wharton, took over the company, began developing real estate on Manhattan island and turned his millions into billions through development, identity, and gaming the system. lol, Forbes literally looked at his record and said he'd have been a lot richer if he just flat out coasted through life on his inherited wealth: http://www.forbes.com/sites/financialfinesse/2015/08/06/how-to-beat-donald-trump-at-making-money/
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Aug 13, 2015 04:18
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Moridin920 posted:im a future failed small business part owner and I say socialism is good and GOP economics are retarded
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Blurry Gray Thing posted:lol, Forbes literally looked at his record and said he'd have been a lot richer if he just flat out coasted through life on his inherited wealth: Man, I really need to manage my IRA better.
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Aug 13, 2015 04:23
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Blurry Gray Thing posted:lol, Forbes literally looked at his record and said he'd have been a lot richer if he just flat out coasted through life on his inherited wealth: Except all of his money would have been locked up in the S&P fund in order to do it, don't go too far with this, the writer of the article didn't.
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Aug 13, 2015 04:24
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But then he wouldn't be a household name
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Commie NedFlanders posted:if you vote republican and you aren't in the top 5%, you don't know poo poo about economics, sorry. Much of the top 5% are actually poo poo at macroeconomics also and chased the short-term stock price increase to cash out. That is anathema to actually running a country or sustainable business so you once again don't know what the gently caress you talking about despite trying to sound 'reasonably liberal' or whatever idiocy you're going for. If you ain't born into wealth then you're poo poo at economics!!! - a dumb centrist
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memy posted:At this point I don't think it's possible for Trump to go down in flames, he's basically untouchable It's simple demographics friend, even if old white voters vote at a higher percentage than younger/minority voters, there are more than enough young/minority voters to make up the gap. In fact, new young voters are made every day, while old people are just the opposite.
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