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Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

CapitalistPig posted:

I believe your vanilla claim, but the thing is whether you are a goon or VT

CPig, do you or do you not claim evidence of PMom visiting you last night?

Also no hasty votes, if there is a Busdriver the results can be invalid and this may be MYLO or LYLO.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 19:19

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 07:27

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

For the List: I'm Vanilla, except the Roleblock I was passed N2 and used on ljtrigirl N3. I am holding nothing now.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 19:30

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

CapitalistPig posted:

maybe you should keep reading the thread

I was in the process of typing when you cleared it up.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 19:31

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Is Hiip missing a night of results? Wasn't that just N4 just ending?

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 19:36

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

I can see a PMom, EXAKT, Hal, TMM Scumteam.
Looking for posts that would make that unlikely.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 20:03

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Pinterest Mom posted:

I don't think you'll find anything between me and Hal or TMM (TMM calling me scummy after he's already outed is pretty null).

I wanted to get rid of EXAKT for inactivity, pretty vocally, but Pig seems to be in my corner today so

I went back and looked

ON EXAKT:

Pinterest Mom posted:

You haven't commented on EXAKT, either. Are we meant to understand that your top three scum reads are me, plus two people you've decided are scum because they're linked to me?

defending EXAKT, strange wording

Pinterest Mom posted:

Exakt's vote on merk looks like it's coming from a good place. I don't want to vote for them.

more defending EXAKT

Pinterest Mom posted:

I think SirSam is a pretty good dunk choice, too.
...
He also has the weird pressuring of Exakt about the poison, which, w/e.

defending EXAKT again, strange wording

PMom did go on about EXAKT being a lurker, but there was no lynch pressure there so that's very easy distancing.

Then the pretty odd gambit-counter-gambit exchange with CPig which reads really weird to me... and then gets abandoned and swept under the rug fast. Was it supposed to provide an alibi? Pig does seem to be "in your corner" today.

CapitalistPig posted:

Does no one else see how scummy ljtrigirl is being?

This post is logically ridiculous, as was the double-down.

ON TMM:

Pinterest Mom posted:

Talk about your TMM suspicion? He's hedging and not giving opinions, is that it?

Parrying for TMM against f_v's suspicion.

I didn't see much else on TMM, but PM did call out TMM's fakeclaim and did vote him, so that would have to be busing to put them together, which based on that claim I wouldn't rule out.

ON HAL:
Pinterest Mom never mentions, interacts with, or responds to Hal in any way in this game, that I could find. That is suspicious.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 20:28

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Wait, no,
ON HAL:

Pinterest Mom posted:

Is this a reasonable opinion for Hal to hold? He just played a game with scum Diq a month ago, went to LYLO with him.

Tell me Diq isn't being emotional and passionate here.

throwing the lightest of shade on Hal, also distancing from the Diqnol lynch.

Pinterest Mom posted:

lj, if you want your vig to be useful, take out someone like exakt or hiip or hal

The lightest, most ineffectual distancing.

Pinterest Mom posted:

I guess you think they're BK and Hal, and they're just so bad at their jobs that they failed to convince much of anyone?

Throwing tiny tiny shade at Hal, but also pairing him up with another so even less direct.

Pinterest Mom posted:

Hal Incandenza posted:
How the hell are we supposed to find the edit, Waldo?

he added "I AM SCUM" in the second one

Only direct interaction, an awkward "joke"-lie about Diqnol.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 20:34

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

On rereading PMom, I think it's likely he's Scum. I believe Hiip's claim.

If PMom were Town, would a Busdriver be likely to switch PMom last night, or would PMom be the most logical Framer target?

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 20:39

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Pinterest Mom posted:

No Diqnol literally did add the words "I am scum" to the second, mafiaedited post.

Ha, you're right. I thought you were being sarcastic at the time and didn't even notice. I would have been allllll over the psychological ramifications of that particular omission slip.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 20:42

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Pinterest Mom posted:

I'd definitely be the most logical framer target.

Go on...

Pinterest Mom posted:

Lumpen: explain how me and Hal not interacting is a point against me or Hal.

Have you never seen a Namedrop Analysis in Mafia? It Is Known that Scum tend to avoid talking to or about each other, compared to non-Scum. It is mostly an unconscious reaction. I can't remember who used to actually go through and tally the namedrops for a Namedrop Analysis, but it was shockingly accurate.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 20:44

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

CapitalistPig posted:

I am very suspicious of Lumpen.

How shocking! I am very suspicious of EXAKT and not impressed with you so far.
I want to hear you analyze PMom and Hal.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 20:47

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Hal Incandenza posted:

Did I miss something? Why do we think there is a framer?

According to claimed Cop HiipFire, BK was investigated as Scum but flipped Town.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 20:52

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Looking over TMMadman, a few choice quotes:

TMM's posting about PMom strikes me as Scumbuddy distancing.

TMMadman posted:

Ehhhh, I think it's just PMom. I always think he is scummy but he always turns up as town. I can never make heads or tails of him, so I just kind of read him and then let it go unless it's particularly bad. I let other people who are smarter than me make the case on PMom.

The wishy-washiest distancing.

TMMadman posted:

...
As for PMom, I can sort of see merks case against PMom, but I don't think I'm quite sold on it yet. Again, my problem with PMom is I never had any clue what he is doing, so I always end up suspicious of him and never know if my read on him is paranoia or an actual scum read. However, I think he is probably a good target to examine today. And since you also seem focused on one person, aside from ljtrigril, who else do you think we should be looking at PMom?

Moving on to ljtrigirl, I'm getting a little confused by her lately. I was leaning pretty well town for her during D1, but right now she seems weirdly focused on PMom

more of the same wishywash, then a defense of PMom as reason to "suspect" ljtrigirl

TMM makes a weak case on Hal that doesn't go anywhere.
TMM seems eager to get off his own case on Hal

TMMadman posted:

I'll do some re-reads when I get home in a couple hours. I'm comfortable with my Hal vote, but I can move it.
...

TMMadman posted:

Alright, since the Hal vote isn't going anywhere, I'll start with ##unvote . I'll just have to look at Hal another day.
...

TMM never really said much or interacted meaningfully with EXAKT, but when it was clear he was busted, suddenly he points at EXAKT and PMom as "definitely Scum":

TMMadman posted:

...
Personally, I think the scum team is definitely QPQ, PMom and Exakt with any others being somewhere in Hiip, FV, Hal and Lumpen.

I'd like to see QPQ go, but I'd also take PMom out.
...

which we can WIFOM over I guess.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 21:14

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Looking at Hal:

Hal Incandenza posted:

I don't know about the PinMom case. He does spend a ot of time just shooting people down and not commenting on too much, but his post where he sort of cases ljtrlgirl makes some decent points and feels more genuine than manufactured. The point that he spends a lot of time casing her on D1 without voting is fair, but I also buy the explanation about her being new.

There are things there to raise suspicion, but I am getting a more townie feel from PinMom at this point.

wishywashy post, with the overall aim of defending PMom

Hal Incandenza posted:

The last time PMom was dissatisfied with his scumteam (and the setup) he just stopped posting period. He's actually making a conscious effort to contribute this game and he's felt concerned enough to make sure we know why he can't post much at the moment. This is not the actions of disengaged PinMom

defending PMom some more with meta

After merk calls Hal scummy for defending PMom, he gets selfconscious about it:

Hal Incandenza posted:

Fair, it's a little awkward. I actually started to post that I agreed with you (andljtrlgirl) but then halfway through I changed my mind and started all over so it probably is a bit more "constructed" just because I was going back and forth in my head a few times about which way I was leaning.

selfconscious wishywashiness about PMom.

Hal on TMM:

Hal Incandenza posted:

Hrm that is a bit of pickle.

I am worried about the possibility that you [Diqnol] AND TMM are scum and he did get the harpoon and you are just playing this all off to sow confusion and buy time.

Hal Incandenza posted:

It's not exactly a who's who of the towniest players on TMM right now, claim or otherwise. I really do wish we had some confirmation as to what a harpoon kill flavor was. Stabbed is too vague and not quite in line with the flavor I would expect but not far enough off to feel comfortable calling it either way.
...

After TMM is caught and fakeclaimed, Hal tries to put some breaks on it.

I saw nothing between Hal and EXAKT.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 21:25

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Looking at EXAKT:

EXAKT Science posted:

Like I mentioned earlier, TMM is on my radar, but I also the QPQ is scummy and don't think they're scum together. What do you think of QPQ, Rarity?

distancing

EXAKT Science posted:

In light of his recent posting, I think TMM is a good kill for today.
##unvote
##vote TMMadman

in context, this was a totally unviable vote

EXAKT Science posted:

Rarity posted:
Then you should switch your vote back, I agree TM's made some really poo poo posts but there's not enough momentum there to get him lynched today.

I'll switch before deadline.

EXAKT Science posted:

TMM probably isn't happening today, tho
##uunvote
...

EXAKT didn't have anything notable to say about PMom or Hal.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 21:34

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

LumpenList� DAY 5 Page 77

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

SUPPOSABLY SCUMMY

Pinterest Mom * Investigated Scum
~~EXAKT Science~~ CapitalistPig * lurking, interaction re: TMM, fits hypothesis
Hal Incandenza * lurking, post interaction with TMM/PMom, fits hypothesis
SOMEWHAT SUSPICIOUS
QuoProQuid *possible SK?
Samfucius *possible SK?
TENTATIVELY TRUSTABLE
SirSamVimes * gave Pearl to Rarity
TOTALLY TOWNIE
fiery_valkyrie * Cop cleared
ljtrigirl * If Scum game would be over because of 'Poons & Pearl
~~Meinberg~~ Hiipfire * Cop
Lumpen

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 21:51

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

I strongly urge everyone to make a LumpenList. At this point, process of elimination can be useful. Look at the evidence, hypothesize who could possibly be Scum with TMM and with each other, and look through the posts to find patterns that support or deny the hypothesis. Then post the fruit of your judgement on the record to be evaluated. If you think I'm wrong in mine, show me why and explain your train of thought.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 22:05

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

I'm at the lake visiting family this weekend, so limited access.

##vote Pinterest Mom
PM has spun WIFOM hard, but the evidence, patterns, and connections are there to support the investigation result. With a Scum investigation, it would be really dumb to flip anyone else today.

If PMom as Scum talks his way out of the noose and wins the game after getting a Scum result on him, mad props. I'm not falling for it.

# ¿ Sep 6, 2015 14:15

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Spin your own WIFOM, PMom. What scenario would we need to accept as likely in order to dismiss a Scum investigation on Scummy player, from a believable uncounterclaimed Ckp that Ecco said was Sane in his PM? That's a stretch.

I'll humor you, though. It stands to reason the BK was Framed. But unfortunately for you, that doesn't get you off the hook, and here's why: Assuming BK got Framed, the logical Frame target last night would have been me. Rarity already said she was going to use the Pearl power to investgate with, and she had telegraphed her target as me, and I expect I probably was the actual Frame target last night, but the Cop checked you instead.

Given the evidence we now have,Rarity probably got killed by the SK rather than the Scum, because the Scum would have Framed me and left her alive to doublevote me on a false result.

There's no reasonable likelihood that PMom would be the target of a Frame last night. The Cop result is a fair catch.

Caught Scum will grasp at any straws to sow doubt. You've played a Scum game for 78 pages. I'm confident you'll flip Scum. You're trying hard, though and I respect you for that.

# ¿ Sep 6, 2015 15:21

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

That's not very Ecco. Any flavor text, any of the nights? The exact wording may be helpful, even though you can't copy and paste. Can you see any PM-based reason to doubt your reads (other than BK's flip)?

# ¿ Sep 7, 2015 15:11

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

HiipFire posted:

so I'm just going to ask this question not knowing if it's a bad one, what if we no-lynched since we're at an even number rn and I'd like to get another cop result?

With 10 currently alive, it's 6 to lynch.

No-Lynch Best Case Scenario: LJ 'poons a Scum, SK kills a Scum, Scum kill SK, Hiip investigates a Scum, it'd be 1 Cop-caught Scum vs 6 Town, 4 Votes to lynch, easy win.
No-Lynch Worst Case Scenario: LJ 'poons Town, SK and Scum kill Hiip and LJ, leaving 3 Scum, an SK, 3 Town, with the Pearl loose, 4 to lynch. Scum grab pearl and lynch the SK, clinching the numbers to endgame the Town at night.

Lynch Best Case: Lynch Scum, LJ 'poons Scum, SK kills Scum, Scum kill SK, Town wins.
Lynch Worst Case: Lynch Town, LJ 'poons Town, SK kills Town, Scum kill Town, 6 alive 4 to lynch, 3 Scum vs 1 SK and 2 Town, Scum get pearl and lynch SK, Scum win at night.

If HiipFire survives the night to report another result, if there's a Framer or Busdriver still at large, then another result is of dubious value. (PMom ~conveniently~ downplays this, I note.)

# ¿ Sep 7, 2015 22:46

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

QuoProQuid posted:

If you want to get fancy, you can use an Analysis of Competing Hypotheses. I always find it useful when tunneled or otherwise unfocused.

This is really cool and I've never seen it before. It is definitely my kind of thing. I wonder if CIA analysts actually sit down and make the charts and poo poo. I may have missed my calling in life...

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 00:17

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Hal Incandenza posted:

Two days over without me even getting to post

Come on, Ecco told you when the thread was going to open...

Oh wait, Ecco only told the Scum team. But don't worry, despite that, never opened when promised, and hosed up the flips even then.

Our victory, hollow as it is anyway due to the problems of the setup and the modding, is slightly marred by my poor half-awake decision to yammer in the wee hours in the Scumdoc. My bad, so sorry.

Setup was incredibly unbalanced toward Scum, even with the Modding being such a complete mess. Town's time was wasted, frankly, never had a chance.

Ecco is a petty, vindictive control freak who builds poorly designed games that revolve around Mod whim in the form of (mystery items, mystery mechanics, mystery secret rules), and time and time again are decided by capricious and arbitrary Mod interference. Deeply disrespectful of players' time and effort. I had forgotten Calavera until it was too late.

Scumteam was fun, Town players were fun. See y'all in better games.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 22:15

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 07:27

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

The ScumDoc
The events of last night are all highly adulterated at this point with various deletions and sanitizations, but I think all can be revealed with the history tool of anyone actually cared.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 23:57

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