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Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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SynthOrange posted:

TRAITORS! TRAITORS EVERYWHEEEERE!

Something something don't blame the umpire something

# ¿ Sep 1, 2015 01:05

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Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Oh you also missed the best quote from that piece

Potato Dutton posted:

The reality is that there is a bit of a jihad being conducted by Fairfax at the moment

Less a dog whistle and more a fog horn or air raid klaxon.

# ¿ Sep 1, 2015 01:08

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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quote:

Switzer was raised in Sydney's Northern Beaches

ah.

# ¿ Sep 1, 2015 04:06

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Yeah, saying that your election platform consists of pre-judgement and thus grounds for recusing yourself is really loving dumb

# ¿ Sep 1, 2015 05:34

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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I really loving hope the Victorian health department goes for a big loving skate for fiddling with an independent study into mortality effects of the hazelwood coal mine fire. The head researcher of the study should be dragged through the mud too for allowing the people commissioning the study to change the conclusions.

# ¿ Sep 2, 2015 11:15

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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The Eurocentric four season model really doesn't work for much of Australia. No one model could as the climate varies so significantly from one part of the country to another.

# ¿ Sep 2, 2015 11:42

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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hey, weird, it's almost as if a politician has no power over the media if they don't give a poo poo about access journalism.

# ¿ Sep 2, 2015 13:45

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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I think my outrage is somewhat eclipsed by my confusion at why someone would subject themselves to dealing with centrelink for what amounts to pocket money compared to their family's existing income. Maybe the husband was abusive by means of financial control?

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 01:25

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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open24hours posted:

Good thing that menace is off the streets and we can feel safe again.

What in your opinion is the correct sentence for this? Right or wrong, our justice system is based around punishment and deterrent rather than rehabilitation. What deterrent would you suggest is effective in this case? A small fine?

Solemn Sloth fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Sep 3, 2015

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 01:35

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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open24hours posted:

Probably to pay back the money plus any administrative costs and legal fees and a fine. It depends on her reasons for doing it I guess. Prison should only be for people who are an actual threat to public safety.

That's not how our current system works though. Prison is treated as deterrent and punishment rather than just(and in fact at the expense of) protecting the community.

If it's a crime of greed as the judge is suggesting and there are not extenuating circumstances then I don't see how you rehabilitate someone like that other than making them understand that the consequences of their actions are so severe that they shouldn't contemplate them.

Maybe community service working with those in actual need to attempt to build some sort of construction of empathy into the sentence?

Solemn Sloth fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Sep 3, 2015

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 01:56

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Mr Chips posted:

Shouldn't it have all three elements?

It should, but realistically doesn't. A system that has any amount of mandatory jail terms can't be said to hold rehabilitation in that high a priority. It is far too concerned with the opinions of people who read the herald sun for my liking.

open24hours posted:

Yes, and I'm criticising the system.

Aside from the government being unable to guarantee the safety of prisoners, even if it worked well prison as a punishment for people who don't pose any kind of risk to public safety is a fetish and the only people who benefit from it are neurotic sadists.

The system is poo poo, but white collar criminal ripping off the system isn't my posterboy for reform. If you want to talk wide spread reform of the system with a focus on rehabilitation and prison only being a last resort I'm right with you. This sentence to me though is commensurate with other sentences under the system we have. They haven't just stolen money meant for people in need, they have contributed to making the system those people rely on more hostile to them.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 02:15

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Birb Katter posted:

We're off to a strong start today

Presumably this is the start of rehabilitating offshore processing in the history books. At least they had the sense of shame to ban journalists and spy on senators.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 02:17

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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The wealthy defrauding centrelink is a crime against the state and capital punishment is the only reasonable sentence.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 04:13

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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I feel like the YoungLibs should make a handbook for prospective tory fucks with several pages on the topic of "If you ever feel like you're about to start a statement with 'at least the Nazis', shove an onion in your mouth".

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 07:04

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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hooman posted:

I'm still not entirely convinced that the entirety of Tony Abbott isn't an amazing performance piece and eventually Andrew Hanson will pull off the fake ears and go 'Seriously, how have I not been called out on this".

nah, less andrew hanson, more micallef, he's more into absurdity. Or Gary McDonald. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Ron Hitler-Barassi himself.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 07:47

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Lid posted:

It makes me sick to say this, as its devils advocating for Abbott, but ISIS is no longer a simple terrorist group as much as a state based on militaristic violence and terror with essential policies of genocide, rape and slavery. The size is in nowhere near comparable but those trying to argue its a Godwin case... i cant in good faith believe the Nazi comparison is beyond the pale or false and might be apt.

Regardless of the actual merits of the comparison, making comparisons between genocidal regimes is one of the loving dumbest thing you can ever do because whatever you do you will piss people off, and guess what, survivors of genocide have an unassailable moral highground when it comes to calling you out on your comparisons.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 07:59

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Negligent posted:

Also, the Rudd/Gillard switch did irreparable damage to the supposed compact between voters and political parties in ways that people will be writing books about for decades. You don't get to mess fundamentally with the public confidence without it reflecting on your legacy.

The normalisation of the idea that prime ministers are replaceable on the strength of polling alone is one that has damaged democracy in Australia forever.

Maybe those people whose beliefs in democracy were so shattered should have read a loving book

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 08:00

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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a national socialist is a bit like a national front or a national party

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 08:03

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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How has the guy who does TV Show/Auspol mashups not done one of Malcolm Tucker telling the entirety of the Liberal party room to shut the gently caress up forever

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 13:39

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Anidav posted:

Dead man backs dead horse.

Rupert Murdoch is The Undertaker?

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 23:21

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Anidav posted:

*looks at poll numbers*
*eyes roll back*

*rides a Harley and flies old glory*

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 23:36

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Maybe propping up a bunch of absolute loving no-hopers who could never manage to be elected on their own merits isn't the recipe for good government we once thought.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 23:51

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Patriotism isn't a positive attribute

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 08:45

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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GoldStandardConure posted:

SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENPSHIP

I'd trade in my citizenship for a premiership

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 08:47

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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katlington posted:

Anybody in contemporary australian society sounds pretty dumb to me.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 08:49

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Yes but have you considered that discontinuing the white Australia policy was in fact a mistake

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 12:29

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Cleretic posted:

I always wondered why exactly Auspol's so bloodthirsty like this. It's pretty unlike every other thread on SA I follow, even the political ones.

Maybe it's just the fact Auspol evolved from a LF thread. Or possibly because Australian politics feels pretty glib and harsh anyway, so we gravitate pretty readily to 'kill yourself' territory.

Maybe it's because out politicians are actually carrying out a campaign of rape and torture against refugees?

# ¿ Sep 5, 2015 10:52

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Amethyst posted:

So this is what employees sign up for at nandos:

This, to me, seems like the kind of thing which would be easy for a union to fix. This kind of EBA is apparently quite common. Aldi workers are in the exact same situation, for example.

Is there anything we can do to spur action on this?

# ¿ Sep 6, 2015 03:33

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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you should have told them you were the captain of this pulsar and they have no jurisdiction over you

# ¿ Sep 6, 2015 03:43

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Amethyst posted:

From what I've read this morning, the only solution is a collective demand for a new agreement. The EBA, as it stands, is legal.

It's a new, not existing, EBA

# ¿ Sep 6, 2015 03:51

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Halo14 posted:

https://youtu.be/IKp8W1jBuHw

quote:

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# ¿ Sep 7, 2015 00:08

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Some people don't know paradise even when they're in it.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2015 00:25

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Burn Down Canberra posted:

Easy win for the greens. Di Natale was very impressive. He was especially impressive at the end of the interview where he saw off Bolts nonsense easily. So bolt if anything has won the greens some votes.

Di Natale might just be the most impressive politician in Australia. It's a big claim but he is articulate and can speak across audiences. He handled Bolts union bashing better than an alp politician would.

It's not that big a claim given the competition

# ¿ Sep 7, 2015 01:28

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Too stupid and reactionary for Alan Jones

# ¿ Sep 7, 2015 02:02

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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open24hours posted:

With a million or so new people all looking to start new lives Germany's going to have another economic miracle and be even more resented by the rest of Europe.

Yes but don't you see, they are a burden. It costs so much to torture the ones we have already, imagine how much it would cost to torture another million of them

# ¿ Sep 7, 2015 03:39

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Senor Tron posted:

I'm amazed that they haven't turned off ratings yet.

I'm amazed the Minerals Council collectively have 11 YouTube accounts

# ¿ Sep 7, 2015 08:35

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Milky Moor posted:

9/11 really did change the entire world, it's kind of crazy.

Mario Maker is going to change it back

# ¿ Sep 7, 2015 09:55

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Cartoon posted:

So jelly right now

I have zero idea who or where it came from, I don't think I've been trolling anyone particularly hard lately

# ¿ Sep 7, 2015 11:21

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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quote:

Federal police have put more than one person at risk of the death penalty every day for the past five years by co-operating with police forces in countries, mainly in Asia, that execute offenders.

The vast majority of the 1847 people whose names were provided to foreign police forces were being investigated for drug offences in countries where the death penalty is widely imposed and sometimes applied.

The figure is much higher than previously reported, and will shock many who were dismayed by the April executions of Bali nine drug smugglers Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran in Indonesia.

Australian Federal Police Commissioner Andrew Colvin assured Australians after their executions that "organisationally" and "personally", the police opposed the death penalty, and that the AFP tightly manages the number of reports made to foreign jurisdictions.

But official police figures released under freedom-of-information laws to researcher Sarah Gill show that between December 2009 and December 2014, more than 370 people a year were reported to death penalty jurisdictions. More than 95 per cent of these referrals were for drug cases.

Not all of these people are Australian citizens and residents � and police do not collect those figures � but the number of Australians is likely to amount to hundreds over the years. The figures show that, despite guidelines introduced in 2009, police grant about 93 per cent or more of requests for help from police forces in death penalty countries. Where the requests are turned down, it is usually for bureaucratic reasons � for example, because forms are filled out incorrectly � rather than because of the danger to an individual.

Where people are already arrested by police in a death penalty jurisdiction, the justice minister must sign off on the help being provided. The vast majority of those cases are also approved.

Guidelines introduced in 2009 after the outcry relating to the Bali nine case require police to consider the likelihood of the person being subject to the death penalty when co-operating with a foreign police force. However, that is just one among many considerations, including Australia's interest in promoting co-operation with foreign authorities.

A dozen Australians, including two grandmothers, are on death row, including nine in China, where they are among 26 in custody in that country on drug charges. Police have said in the past that none of the 12 on death row were there because of AFP intervention.

An AFP spokesman said the organisation acts "appropriately and in accordance with Australian and international policies" in death penalty matters.

Police policy was to try to fight criminal activity in "source countries," and working with foreign law enforcement "has been very successful" in fighting crimes including terrorism, child exploitation, human trafficking, people smuggling and drug importation, the spokesman said.

"The AFP cannot limit its co-operation to countries that have similar legal systems as Australia ... [and] without the ability to work with all of its international partners, the AFP simply could not function."

Julian McMahon, one of the lawyers for Chan and Sukumaran, called for an independent monitor to help police judge when to refer people to death penalty jurisdictions.

"International co-operation is an essential part of the AFP doing their job to combat serious crime, and they must be able to continue to do that," Mr McMahon said.

"But, where it's a matter of life and death, there is a very heavy burden of responsibility on the AFP and our government to act in accordance with our national policy to oppose the death penalty, torture and so on. Where so many lives may be at risk because of positive steps taken by a busy police force, an independent monitor or a review mechanism is in everybody's interest."

Ms Gill said the figures showed the AFP was "exporting the death penalty".

"One of the measures of genuine opposition is a refusal to co-operate with death penalty states unless there are assurances that the death penalty won't be carried out ... so it is utterly mystifying why our federal police are essentially given free reign.

"The guidelines appear to be little more than a facade."

I wish I could be the least bit surprised that the AFP consists of people who have to get their execution thrills vicariously.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2015 16:14

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 10:44

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
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Abbotts real dumb, hth

# ¿ Sep 7, 2015 23:38

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