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Cake Smashing Boob posted:I want to know me 2
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TNG posted:Well Dick was a paranoid schizophrenic, and had moved a bit beyond the US government being the sole source of domination of his and the people's minds. The poo poo with Lem went down in the mid 70s, so he was probably obsessing over the cold war and making up all sorts of scenarios. The thing about paranoid schizophrenics is that they will go to authority to report perceived wrongs and bad goings on because they believe that will lessen the impact of the mania in their minds by getting THE MAN onto them. Wasn't this a literal plot point in A Scanner Darkly?
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Sep 7, 2015 16:56
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Cake Smashing Boob posted:I want to know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seafort_Saga This is David Feintuch. These books are akin to the old English Admiralty. Think space ships with 1800 laws. Corporal Punishment is a big theme in the books. There is also just a lot of weird relationships between people, nothing sexual, it is about power. Reading those books makes me uncomfortable. Gerrold? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Against_the_Chtorr Like I said before, he wrote a lot of weird sexual poo poo, including the main character having sex with girl (under 10) he adopted. Was it a dream? Nope. I loving squirm every single time I read that book. I have no idea what the gently caress he was thinking or how anyone allowed him to publish that. Edit: There is a context to it and whatever, but no loving way, not cool. Nope. Pohl fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Sep 7, 2015 17:01
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A Matter for Men, by Gerrold, has probably the best 1st chapter I have ever read in a book.
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Sep 7, 2015 17:06
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CaptainYesterday posted:It's come to my realization that there hasn't been any really, really good sci-fi since the 70's, and any good sci-fi since then is based on works from the 70's or earlier. Think about it - where have all the fresh ideas gone? are you talking about books? because if so you're a dumbass. there are plenty of amazing modern sci fi books out there or are you talking about movies? because if so you're still a dumbass. sci-fi movies are only good for the visuals and little else.
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Sep 7, 2015 17:09
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Armada is the best sci-fi book of the last couple of decades.
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Sep 7, 2015 17:14
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mind the walrus posted:Wasn't this a literal plot point in A Scanner Darkly? Yeah, Dick was AWARE of it, since he was also a very perceptive and good writer, but he also fell victim to it since a PS can't really control their impulses. MeLKoR posted:Armada is the best sci-fi book of the last couple of decades. Ernest Cline should be put in an Iso-Cube, a method of imprisonment from the 2000AD series Judge Dredd, a British comic from the 1970s about an authoritarian super cop named Judge Dredd who imprisons people in prisons called Iso-Cubes.
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Sep 7, 2015 17:20
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TNG posted:Ernest Cline should be put in an Iso-Cube, a method of imprisonment from the 2000AD series Judge Dredd, a British comic from the 1970s about an authoritarian super cop named Judge Dredd who imprisons people in prisons called Iso-Cubes. Does this Dread person make funny references to stuff from my childhood?
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Sep 7, 2015 17:23
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MeLKoR posted:Does this Dread person make funny references to stuff from my childhood? Oh yeah, I'm sure you could get Dredd talking about Galaga, Margaret Thatcher, and Pop Rocks. That's the sort of talent Ernest Cline is wielding here. You were born in the early 70s like all REAL sci-fi fans, right? TNG fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Sep 7, 2015 17:25
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Sep 7, 2015 18:00
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MeLKoR posted:Does this Dread person make funny references to stuff from my childhood? He brutally owns mutants and stuff after setting out on a journey to fix the 2TFRU-T virus (Tutti Frutti are a kind of candy in the UK), and the mutants eat Heinz beans.
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Sep 7, 2015 18:07
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I was going to say Delany, then I remembered all his good poo poo was written in the 1970s, so yeah You should still read Dhalgren, though, it owns. Goons love that jumbled-word poo poo in House of Leaves but Delany did it first, and better. edit: there's some outliers (Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun was written in the very early 1980's and is some of the best SF ever written), but yeah SFF has been in a big slump since the mid-80's and has only recently started to come out of it (mostly thanks to all the ladies and POC's writing quality poo poo who the right-wing is desperate to crush) Popular Human fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Sep 7, 2015 18:50
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Hobohemian posted:I didn't know dick was a narc. I thought crazy people were not supposed to trust the government. he also did not trust the government but he was crazy
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Sep 7, 2015 18:54
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Kids gotta learn about TekWar sooner or later.
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Sep 7, 2015 18:57
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somebody told me Ready Player One was cool
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Sep 7, 2015 19:02
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Popular Human posted:I was going to say Delany, then I remembered all his good poo poo was written in the 1970s, so yeah I think my favorite bit about all that "puppies" Hugo bullshit is that the right wingers nominated a genderqueer uber liberal whose story was about undefined and fluidic gender roles in a society of shapeshifters because she was a white lady.
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Sep 7, 2015 19:07
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My Parents took me to see "Barbarella" when I was 6 years old. For those of you thinking that this was really weird, it would be, except for a few things. 1. It was science fiction, and thus, my folks figured it was going to be just another science fiction Ray Gun story. 2. The MPAA rating service did not yet exist. This film came out in October of 1968, and the MPAA ratings went into effect about 2 weeks after this came out. Of course, it was rated R when it was finally rated. 3. I was six. I didn't understand much of what was going on. But I did understand the concept of Naked Ladies. That's about all I got out of it.
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Sep 7, 2015 19:20
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Sep 7, 2015 19:24
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genesplicer posted:My Parents took me to see "Barbarella" when I was 6 years old. For those of you thinking that this was really weird, it would be, except for a few things. her plastic covered boobs made you feel weird, didn't they?
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Sep 7, 2015 19:26
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The Matrix 1 was good sci fi. 2 and 3 are good reasons to want to kill yourself, though. Pitch Black was good sci fi. Kinda the same deal on the sequels, though. Mad Max were all good to great sci fi. Can we count movies like Aliens, Terminator and Predator or are those just action cheese with a sci fi flavor?
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Sep 7, 2015 20:11
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what the gently caress? chronicles of riddick is like 10000x better than pitch black, jfc chronicles of riddick is literally one of the top achievements of the 20th century (even though it was made in 2004)
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Sep 7, 2015 20:14
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nomadologique posted:what the gently caress? chronicles of riddick is like 10000x better than pitch black, jfc Riddick is a better movie
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Sep 7, 2015 20:16
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chronicles of riddick has tom waits AND karl urban and judi dench, lol
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Sep 7, 2015 20:19
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nomadologique posted:what the gently caress? chronicles of riddick is like 10000x better than pitch black, jfc It's like one third of a lovely trilogy that has little or nothing to do with the other films and has its narrative arc killed off in the third one. It has some good moments but there's a lot of explaining and exposition they just don't ever get to.
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Sep 7, 2015 20:26
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nomadologique posted:chronicles of riddick has tom waits AND karl urban those are all hot guys, but it is still a bad movie
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Sep 7, 2015 20:28
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when i watch chronicles of riddick i imagine it is an installation in an incredible and genre-defining series of moves with a fully fleshed out story that makes sense, from an alternate universe
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Sep 7, 2015 20:28
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the viewers from that unverse would "get" why riddick is the way he is, what i s going on, and what comes before and after
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Sep 7, 2015 20:29
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nomadologique posted:when i watch chronicles of riddick i imagine it is an installation in an incredible and genre-defining series of moves with a fully fleshed out story that makes sense, from an alternate universe Do you do all the moves while you watch it?
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Sep 7, 2015 20:30
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i am not atyhletic enough for an open palm slam let alone all the sweet martial arts he gets up to
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Sep 7, 2015 20:30
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but when i see a girl i do that thing like where he runs away from the crashing spaceship LOL
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Sep 7, 2015 20:30
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Riddick is like Wolverine in space. He's interesting when fighting monsters, but because he has so much plot armor his interactions with humans just turn him into this giant, boring Mary Sue.
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Sep 7, 2015 20:32
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when it's all on the line, and the question is one of genre fiction, i never want anything but a giant boring mary sue this is why Burn Notice is the single best spy show ever made i don't want my mind blown, god sakes, i want my expectations fulfilled and nothing out of place
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Sep 7, 2015 20:35
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save sophistication for literature, which can use the language of genre fiction but isn't genre fiction; no matter how you dress it up genre fiction will never be sophisticated, so the simpler the better; this is why all these nerds waxing their dicks about mad max fury road are so misguided, it's a good movie but it's not in its fundamentals any better than fast and the furious, which revels in itself instead of giving its audience an excuse to play holier than thou
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Sep 7, 2015 20:37
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nomadologique posted:when it's all on the line, and the question is one of genre fiction, i never want anything but a giant boring mary sue Burn notice is Batman in Miami.
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Sep 7, 2015 20:39
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Leviathan wakes is a tremendous horror/sci-fi novel and is very much original content. The latest Gibson novel Seveneves is also a fantastic pressure cooker of a plot. Very original stuff, solid science. I also had the pleasure of reading a few Glen Cook novels recently. While they're 80s as heck in some parts, his narrative style and plots are still pretty fresh.
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Sep 7, 2015 20:40
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natetimm posted:Riddick is like Wolverine in space. He's interesting when fighting monsters, but because he has so much plot armor his interactions with humans just turn him into this giant, boring Mary Sue. Its weird to me that sci-fi etc has its own terminology for literary criticism. Nobody says "Mary Sue" unless they are talking about sci-fi/fantasy/games. I can't even tell what it means besides "is stronger and smarter than all the other characters," which is a literary trope since Gilgamesh.
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Sep 7, 2015 20:49
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Agag posted:Its weird to me that sci-fi etc has its own terminology for literary criticism. Nobody says "Mary Sue" unless they are talking about sci-fi/fantasy/games. I can't even tell what it means besides "is stronger and smarter than all the other characters," which is a literary trope since Gilgamesh. For me, it's not just being stronger and smarter, there has to be some sort of plot device inherent to the character. Wolverine, for example, has unbreakable bones and claws and his ridiculous healing factor. Riddick is a member of an uber-race and has those eye implants. It's always something fantastical that explains why the character can accomplish things that normal people can't. Batman is not really a Mary Sue because his traits of being uber-rich and well-trained, actually exist in real life. He has to plan accordingly for things like guns, bullets, poison, fist fights, etc. Normal hazards like that only really come into play with Mary Sue characters when it pleases the writer.
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Sep 7, 2015 21:03
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natetimm posted:For me, it's not just being stronger and smarter, there has to be some sort of plot device inherent to the character. Wolverine, for example, has unbreakable bones and claws and his ridiculous healing factor. Riddick is a member of an uber-race and has those eye implants. It's always something fantastical that explains why the character can accomplish things that normal people can't. Batman is not really a Mary Sue because his traits of being uber-rich and well-trained, actually exist in real life. He has to plan accordingly for things like guns, bullets, poison, fist fights, etc. Normal hazards like that only really come into play with Mary Sue characters when it pleases the writer. I'm just saying this isn't any different from Achilles.
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Agag posted:Its weird to me that sci-fi etc has its own terminology for literary criticism. Nobody says "Mary Sue" unless they are talking about sci-fi/fantasy/games. I can't even tell what it means besides "is stronger and smarter than all the other characters," which is a literary trope since Gilgamesh. its Romeo. Romeo is a mary sue
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Sep 7, 2015 21:05
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:its Romeo. Romeo is a mary sue I could see that. Also all Space Marines.
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