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Uncle Boogeyman posted:i'm always glad when someone else considers that movie a slam dunk, for years it seemed like every horror fan was duty bound to hate it. I think the diminishing returns of the sequels kind of tainted the original in people's minds. Although Scream 2 still has some amazing parts to it (the bit when Jamie Kennedy gets killed is just great). Casimir Radon posted:I don't even hate Scream 3. It's a big step down, but it's not horrible. About the only things I can remember from it are the "whoever smells the gas" gag, killer Nick Cave song over the end credits and the really hamfisted Jamie Kennedy cameo. Ehren Kruger is just an awful, awful writer. Scream 3 feels like a porn parody of itself.
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Timby posted:Scream. ehhhh...Don't get me wrong, it's a great, top shelf slasher movie that's very smart, but the whole gimmick of pointing out tropes throughout the movie falls flat because they do zero to bend or break these rules. That kinda makes it not really 10/10 for me. Maybe an 8 or 8.5. It's easy to overlook now 20 years on (drat I'm old) because it's otherwise such a great slasher, but at the time it came out, I as a teen was the prime demographic, and let me tell you, everyone was falling over themselves to congratulate Wes Craven and the rest for being so post-modern and 4th wall breaking by pointing out these tropes, ignoring how much they wasted the device. Again, it's a fantastic little slasher movie, far better than the entire resurgent slasher cycle that followed in its wake, but the request specifically asked for the absolute best of the best, and that major central flaw kinda pulls it down just a little bit. Edit: Also, I agree with the sentiment that while far from perfect, part 2 has some pretty darn good moments peppered throughout it. The whole scene with the car and whatnot at night was amazingly tense. Choco1980 fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Sep 30, 2015 |
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Timby posted:About the only things I can remember from it are the "whoever smells the gas" gag, killer Nick Cave song over the end credits and the really hamfisted Jamie Kennedy cameo. Ehren Kruger is just an awful, awful writer. Scream 3 feels like a porn parody of itself. Apparently The Serpent and the Rainbow isn't getting a Blu-Ray release until next year. That sucks.
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I was already going to put up some links for short films in the new thread. Glad to see others would like them.
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Timby posted:I think the diminishing returns of the sequels kind of tainted the original in people's minds. i think it was less that and more the legion of awful knockoffs (I Know What You Did Last Summer, Urban Legend, etc)
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Looking back on it, I'm really happy that Scream was around when I was a teenager because it gave me something comparable to the golden age of the slasher when every new Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street movie was a huge event. The Ghostface mask is just as iconic for my generation as the hockey mask or the red and green sweater. I'm not sure there's been a horror franchise with that kind of impact since then, but I guess I'm a little out of touch with teenagers these days. I know the Saw series was very popular for a while there but I never got the feeling it had anywhere near the same impact as Scream.
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Basebf555 posted:Looking back on it, I'm really happy that Scream was around when I was a teenager because it gave me something comparable to the golden age of the slasher when every new Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street movie was a huge event. I'd say Saw filled that hole, and then became trite (by the public's standards). As of late, it's been Paranormal Activity, which is ironic, as it's a faceless evil. But it has an iconic visual aesthetic. Insidious is now a trilogy, which is something of note, and I wouldn't be surprised if they made a franchise out of Oculus. Scream worked because it was a movie about teens in on the joke, for an audience of teens that want to be in on the joke. Most people my age have seen at least one of the Scream movies, but barely any of them have seen the movies they are talking about or sending homage. Of my close friends, only one has seen all of the big iconic horror movies (Nightmare, Friday, Halloween, etc.).
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Franchescanado posted:I'd say Saw filled that hole, and then became trite (by the public's standards). As of late, it's been Paranormal Activity, which is ironic, as it's a faceless evil. But it has an iconic visual aesthetic. Insidious is now a trilogy, which is something of note, and I wouldn't be surprised if they made a franchise out of Oculus. I watched horror movies religiously before seeing Scream, and it's never sat right with me. I never gave thought to it as a movie for people wanting to be in on the joke. A lot of people I knew then knew nothing about horror, and the ones I know now seem to like it for nostalgia purposes. It just irks me that it's so far up its own rear end, all it can do it giggle about it and push its head up further. I think Detention did it better. It was aware it was up its own rear end, so it took an assload of meth and psychedelics to deal with it.
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Franchescanado posted:I'd say Saw filled that hole, and then became trite (by the public's standards). As of late, it's been Paranormal Activity, which is ironic, as it's a faceless evil. But it has an iconic visual aesthetic. Insidious is now a trilogy, which is something of note, and I wouldn't be surprised if they made a franchise out of Oculus. There are plenty of franchises that have been financially successful enough to justify sequels, but I really don't think any of them had the same kind of impact as Scream. For whatever reason most of the series we're talking about don't have an iconic "mask" for stores to sell for Halloween, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone dressing up as the demon from Insidious. Scream 2 was HUGE, it was all me and my friends were talking about for weeks. Does that happen for the new Paranormal Activity sequel(honest question, I don't know any teenagers)? Edit: Scream 2's wiki page tells the story. Apparently a loving James Bond movie and Titanic's release dates were changed to avoid the behemoth that was Scream 2. That doesn't happen for Paranormal Activity. Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Oct 1, 2015 |
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Nightmare on Elm Street is getting taken off Netflix streaming tomorrow for some idiotic reason, so I'm watching it tonight before it gets removed. I haven't seen this in years so I totally forgot that this movie basically hits the ground running without getting bogged down much in exposition. What do people think about Terrorvision and the Stuff? I haven't seen either so I'm going to be checking them out this year. Also based on the AV Club interview with Linnea Quigley I sort of want to watch Sorority Babes In the Slimeball Bowl-o-Rama. Is it actually entertaining schlock or just as dumb as it sounds? Bowmore you should watch the eighties Night of the Demons
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Scream makes horror references that people that only vaguely know about horror movies can still get most of the jokes. I agree there hasn't been a horror movie event like Scream, at least not an original movie. Scream 4 and Friday the 13th reboot were insanely popular and successful horror events in their own right, though. Except for the original Paranormal Activity. That was pretty big. It's hard to make a convincing Halloween mask out of demons, though. The famous masks work because they were originally masks in the movie. Freddy works because you can get away with sweater and hat as long as you have the iconic claws. Demons are hard to make convincing. Pinhead is pretty iconic, but only the dedicated dress as him. (Yes I know they have Freddy and Pinhead masks, but who actually buys them?) Time will bring us another.
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I love Terrorvision and The Stuff.
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Did Scream and what followed it kill the slasher? I'm trying to think of a good slasher flick that happened since the mid 2000s and I'm coming up blank unless we count You're Next. I'm probably blanking so tell me how wrong I am.
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Franchescanado posted:I'd say Saw filled that hole, and then became trite (by the public's standards). As of late, it's been Paranormal Activity, which is ironic, as it's a faceless evil. Paranormal Activity probably would not be a franchise if those movies weren't so loving cheap to make. weekly font posted:Did Scream and what followed it kill the slasher? I'm trying to think of a good slasher flick that happened since the mid 2000s and I'm coming up blank unless we count You're Next. I'm probably blanking so tell me how wrong I am. The slasher genre was near death before Scream. We had tired sequels like Halloween 6 and Hellraiser Bloodlines that were not only wretched films but also theatrical flops. Nobody gave a poo poo anymore, the genre was seen as played out and uninteresting. Scream completely revitalized it, giving rise to a bunch of terrible knockoffs the likes of which people hadn't seen since the first Halloween. Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Oct 1, 2015 |
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weekly font posted:Did Scream and what followed it kill the slasher? I'm trying to think of a good slasher flick that happened since the mid 2000s and I'm coming up blank unless we count You're Next. I'm probably blanking so tell me how wrong I am. Not at all, Scream was a revival of the slasher, but it was always going to be a one-off. The true death of the slasher was the relentless Halloween, Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, and even Hellraiser sequels in the late 80's.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I love Terrorvision and The Stuff. Good. I've had them recommended to me before but I've never actually tracked them down so I'm looking forward to it. I love both of their premises so I want to see them in all their 80's glory.
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weekly font posted:Did Scream and what followed it kill the slasher? I'm trying to think of a good slasher flick that happened since the mid 2000s and I'm coming up blank unless we count You're Next. I'm probably blanking so tell me how wrong I am. It was dead before Scream by endlessly bad sequels to every horror franchise with poor returns. Scream gave it some life and challenged people to come up with something that wasn't trite or a blatant rip-off (by basically boasting itself as one). Meta-slashers existed before, but Scream gave it a face, which created a bunch of previously mentioned follow ups (I Know What You Did Last Summer). There were unsuccessful Slashers, like The Strangers, but they just didn't do as well as Zombies or Romantic Tween Vampires, which have now been replaced by Demons. The reboots of the major franchises showed that there's still an audience who is interested. Now the new original horror movies are grabbing attention, and it's allowing more (affordable) original franchises to grow. And You're Next and other movies that are very confident in their genre without having to rely on meta-humor and being tongue-in-cheek are paving new roads as well.
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Dr. Hurt posted:What do people think about Terrorvision and the Stuff? I haven't seen either so I'm going to be checking them out this year. Also based on the AV Club interview with Linnea Quigley I sort of want to watch Sorority Babes In the Slimeball Bowl-o-Rama. Is it actually entertaining schlock or just as dumb as it sounds? The Stuff and Terrorvision are both great. I find Terrorvision more fun than The Stuff, but they're two different beasts. Sorority Babes is a good time. It's ridiculous, but if you like Night of the Demons you should be good with it. Hal Havins (also in Night of the Demons) is in it too. I have it planned for Halloween day. Watrick fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Oct 1, 2015 |
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Yeah, these things move in cycles. Scream brought on close to a decade of slashers being the main focus in mainstream horror movies, followed by torture porn (and zombies, they kinda overlapped) Before like, Paranormal activity and the brief like two year window of exorcism movies ushered in the wave of Hollywood ghost and/or demon flicks that we're still smack in the middle of. Terrorvision has an odd connection with me. When I was a kid, I'd see the first half of it often on TV at my dad's, but never catch more. I never knew what happened. There are really only three horror movies I can think of that scared me as a kid: Night of the Living Dead, which had a rightfully powerful effect on me, Nightmare on Elm Street 1, which I saw new on home video as a toddler, and was only nervous for about a day, And Terrorvision, probably because of the incomplete story in my mind, and because I was a kid of the 80s, I spent all my time in front of the tube. Many, many years later I got to finally watch it in whole, and man was I a wuss. It's a goofy fun film that Charles Band had a hand in. Yes, it's kinda dark, but it's also silly. I can't think of anything bad to say about it, but it's totally unoffensive and worth a shot. As Watrick says, The Stuff is an entirely different animal. It's Larry Cohen making a blob movie to directly skewer America's rampant consumerism and junk food culture. It's jet black mean spirited satire like only Cohen can do, and it's pretty wild. I recommend it.
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The Stuff should open the door to watching Cohen's five or so movies from around the same time.
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Everyone should watch The Howling 2: Your Sister is a Werewolf. Not because it has any redeeming qualities but because it's something to be experienced. Our local ABC affiliate used to show a double feature on Saturday night back in the mid 2000s, which is where I saw it. They had some girl who worked at a rental place kind of host it, then she went away but they still showed movies. Then they moved to just showing Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets at 1am every Sunday morning which I really didn't get. EDIT: Also at the point I only knew Christopher Lee as Count Dooku and Saruman, so seeing him in this trash was a real shock. He went and made sure to apologize to Joe Dante for having been in it afterwards. Casimir Radon fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Oct 1, 2015 |
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Basebf555 posted:I just watched one last night that was very good, The House That Dripped Blood. Its free on Amazon Prime. I watched 30 minutes of this and got insanely, massively bored so I turned on Invasion of the Bee Girls instead
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I'm trying to figure out how they showed that on broadcast tv considering Sybil Danning's breasts are featured prominently enough to practically have their own mention in the credits (which is less of an exaggeration than you think).
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Choco1980 posted:I'm trying to figure out how they showed that on broadcast tv considering Sybil Danning's breasts are featured prominently enough to practically have their own mention in the credits (which is less of an exaggeration than you think).
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The Stuff should open the door to watching Cohen's five or so movies from around the same time. If I end up really digging the stuff, what would be the next suggested film from Cohen? Dr. Hurt fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Oct 1, 2015 |
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The Stuff should open the door to watching Cohen's five or so movies from around the same time. Return to Salem's Lot should be avoided though.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The Stuff should open the door to watching Cohen's five or so movies from around the same time. Q: The Winged Serpent is a trip.
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Dr. Hurt posted:If I end up really digging the stuff, what would be the next suggested film from Cohen? Q: The Winged Serpent, God Told Me To, It's Alive, the totally nutso Perfect Strangers. Also go back a bit and watch his blaxploitation stuff.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Q: The Winged Serpent, God Told Me To, It's Alive, the totally nutso Perfect Strangers. Also go back a bit and watch his blaxploitation stuff. oh yeah, didn't he do Black Caesar? The Stuff is a masterpiece. I still need to see God Told Me To, probably owe It's Alive! a rewatch too.
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Black Caesar and Hell Up In Harlem, yeah. Also, The Private Files Of J. Edgar Hoover, which Broderick Crawford is phenomenal in.
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I need to get around to the It's Alive sequels. I rather enjoyed his Masters of Horror episode, Pick Me Up. Fairuza Balk is a traveler finding herself caught between two archetypes--the killer hitchhiker, and the trucker who picks up hitchhikers to kill them. It's pretty fun.
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bowmore posted:Can you guys recommend me genuine smack bang 10/10 movies for my list? I generally prefer newer movies to older ones (mostly because my partner tends to fall asleep in anything older than the 80s for some reason, don't ask me) Se7en. Many don't consider it horror but I'm not sure why. It's more psychological horror but it's visceral too. It's held up really well and is still a great film.
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sticklefifer posted:Se7en. Many don't consider it horror but I'm not sure why. It's more psychological horror but it's visceral too. It's held up really well and is still a great film.
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bowmore posted:I've been meaning to watch that again, it's been about 10 years. A few years ago I went home for Xmas with my family. My grandma told me to go rent something with Morgan Freeman, and I came back with Se7en. It met all the criteria she gave me.
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Watrick posted:A few years ago I went home for Xmas with my family. My grandma told me to go rent something with Morgan Freeman, and I came back with Se7en. It met all the criteria she gave me. I bet your grandma loved it, who can resist cheering when he finds gwyneth's head in the box
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I wouldn't have thought of it, but yeah Se7en is definitely something to fit the bill. It's scary in the "close to reality serial killer way" so it counts as horror, and I would say it accomplishes exactly everything it sets out to do, and does them well. I'll put it on the 10/10 shelf.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I love Terrorvision and The Stuff.
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Yeah, Se7en definitely counts as a horror movie. I don't think anyone could argue the opposite with any success.
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