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SirEvelynTremble posted:20,000 new members in 24 hrs since Labour party elected Corbyn Uh this is from May and is about the general election. http://labourlist.org/2015/09/14500-people-sign-up-as-labour-party-members-following-jeremy-corbyns-election-as-leader/ That's the one you want to link.
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d3c0y2 posted:Corbyn actually does well across the board having secured higher support statistics than the other 3 candidates in polls conducted among self-identified UKIP, Green and Lib Dem voters. Only Tory voters rated Burham higher overall. Also if you dont realise that the vast majority of that non-voting part of the population is left-leaning then you've really got to get your head out your rear end. Ah, see, that's actually interesting. lol
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Chucat posted:Uh this is from May and is about the general election. My bad. I was considering the green party as they were the new left as far as options went in the GE but now Corbyn turned up outta the blue I think there's a chance of fighting the corporatocracy
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Sep 13, 2015 20:46
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CORBYN IN BISEXUAL STRIPPER THREESOME SHOCKER!
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The Taint Reaper posted:I hope the tories force all of these scumsuckers to get jobs.
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Sep 13, 2015 20:50
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The Landstander posted:So how is Corbyn perceived in the UK generally? Obviously a legitimate grassroots movement got him in and after Milliband's complete nothing burger on austerity he's kind of a logical step, and obviously David Cameron and Tony Blair think he'll destroy Labour/the country (don't care), but from all of this I've yet to get a sense of how popular he is with general public (like a favorability rating, or something). The Blairites and the Tories don't think he will do anything of the sort. The Blairites, aka the people who have heretofore had control of the parliamentary (westminster) Labour party, are horrified because they're basically a bunch of unprincipled carpetbaggers who came from the same places and went to the same schools as their Tory and Lib Dem counterparts and can't understand why Labour party members think the purpose of the Labour party should be to advocate for social democratic principles and politics, as opposed to whatever set of soundbites seems most likely to win them a seat, a cushy job in Westminster and a great post-parliamentary consultancy gig. Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to tell a lot about how Corbyn is actually perceived, because the Westminster establishment and their pals in the press have been relentlessly anti-Corbyn. Even The Guardian was writing anti-Corbyn op-eds during the leadership campaign, presumably because their editorial staff don't actually know anyone on less than 100 grand a year. What I think we can fairly reliably predict is that the press will relentlessly demonise him and that any nuanced or non-neo-conservative position he takes on anything will be spun into negative headlines. He may well end up leading Labour into the wilderness for a decade, but IMO that would be a good thing if it means we get an actual social democratic party to vote for, rather than 3 different half-baked versions of neo-conservatism fronted by 3 interchangeable upper-middle-class twits of the year.
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Sep 13, 2015 21:02
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good hair/beard/calligraphy
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Sep 13, 2015 21:10
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Not an original stance I know, but he's simultaneously the best thing to happen to the Labour Party in about twenty years, whilst virtually guaranteeing they can't win an election.
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Sep 13, 2015 21:15
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nothing says electable like a Lenin cosplayer
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Sep 13, 2015 21:21
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Thing is Corbyn is only a moderate Keynesian, he's hardly particularly leftwing when he's put into historical perspective. Know who else identified as Keynesian? Peter Tapsell who was a Tory MP between 1959 and 2015 until he retired. MacMillian was a self-identified one-nation keynesian Tory and was elected Prime Minister in 1957 as a Tory. Both these men are economically about as left as Corbyn and Macmillian is considered one of the greated Tory statesmen of the modern era and Tapsell is considered a great tory rolemodel by many. How can Corbyn be ultra-left wing and a threat to security when two Tory heroes are by that same criteria also "commie loonies" it's pure stupid propaganda; issue is it's endemic enough that enough people might believe it.
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Sep 13, 2015 21:23
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Torquemada posted:Not an original stance I know, but he's simultaneously the best thing to happen to the Labour Party in about twenty years, whilst virtually guaranteeing they can't win an election. The majority of his big ticket items are supported by the public at large, but aren't reported as being supported by the public. By the time the coke sniffing bottom is busy pretending to be PM, the landscape will be different anyway.
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Saga posted:The Blairites and the Tories don't think he will do anything of the sort. The Blairites, aka the people who have heretofore had control of the parliamentary (westminster) Labour party, are horrified because they're basically a bunch of unprincipled carpetbaggers who came from the same places and went to the same schools as their Tory and Lib Dem counterparts and can't understand why Labour party members think the purpose of the Labour party should be to advocate for social democratic principles and politics, as opposed to whatever set of soundbites seems most likely to win them a seat, a cushy job in Westminster and a great post-parliamentary consultancy gig. Good post. Someone mentioned it on page one but I'm honestly curious how much power the establishment press will have in defining him. Certainly less than even 10 years ago (where I can't imagine he would've even gotten this far), but it's an open question. There's also the bigger question of whether his agenda legitimately appeals to a mass populace - but that definitely isn't going to happen if no one makes the arguments, even if it takes time to set the groundwork. Y'all should probably stay in NATO, tho (I'm an American watching this from abroad fwiw; I got interested after Labour bombed the election so hard and Corbyn's rise is fascinating)
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Slaughterhouse-Ive posted:nothing says electable like a Lenin cosplayer Still better than having to choose between three upper class public relations wankers who all went to Eaton together.
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d3c0y2 posted:Thing is Corbyn is only a moderate Keynesian, he's hardly particularly leftwing when he's put into historical perspective. Know who else identified as Keynesian? Peter Tapsell who was a Tory MP between 1959 and 2015 until he retired. MacMillian was a self-identified one-nation keynesian Tory and was elected Prime Minister in 1957 as a Tory. someone intelligent was suggesting that this will taper off after three or four weeks, at that point his name and reputation will have been blackened enough that he can never come back, but his position as labour leader won't quite have been made 100% untenable yet. it's better for the tories and their press apparatus (i.e. all of the press, including the loving grauniad when it comes down to it) to leave him in place and a lame duck than to finish him off properly I'm Crap fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Sep 13, 2015 |
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Sep 13, 2015 21:26
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The Landstander posted:Good post. Someone mentioned it on page one but I'm honestly curious how much power the establishment press will have in defining him. Certainly less than even 10 years ago (where I can't imagine he would've even gotten this far), but it's an open question. There's also the bigger question of whether his agenda legitimately appeals to a mass populace - but that definitely isn't going to happen if no one makes the arguments, even if it takes time to set the groundwork. I'm pretty sure Corbyn's already said that there doesn't seem to be broad support for leaving NATO so he isn't likely to push for it.
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Sep 13, 2015 21:34
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leaving NATO and dumping Trident would be really goddamned dumb everything else he stands for is probably good tho
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Sep 13, 2015 21:51
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I hope all the capital leaves your country and comes to mine, idiot losers
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Sep 13, 2015 21:51
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:leaving NATO and dumping Trident would be really goddamned dumb liberals 
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Sep 13, 2015 21:52
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you could make a better case for dumping trident than you could for leaving nato
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Sep 13, 2015 21:57
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No matter his personal position on trident, it seems to be getting the SNP on side.
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Sep 13, 2015 22:35
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not replacing trident like for like isn't necessarily a terrible idea, getting rid of a nuclear deterrent totally while simultaneously telling your allies to gently caress off is a bit silly luckily neither of those proposals are going to become policy
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Sep 13, 2015 22:37
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lol at how all of this comes down to politicians being upset that this guy wants to make society work for people instead of for businesses/ the wealthy HE'S AN ECONOMIC TERRORIST (wants people not to live in poverty)
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Sep 13, 2015 23:04
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SirEvelynTremble posted:What he stands for good luck with that one
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Sep 13, 2015 23:05
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I'm Crap posted:not replacing trident like for like isn't necessarily a terrible idea, getting rid of a nuclear deterrent totally while simultaneously telling your allies to gently caress off is a bit silly
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Sep 13, 2015 23:07
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hell i dont think corbyn really even won the leadership election, that was impossible. we will all wake up from this terrible nightmare shortly and find that tony blair is still prime minister of the united kingdom
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Sep 13, 2015 23:08
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its a shame this is only happening now instead of right before the next gen election he's got waaay too much time to gently caress up and be slandered to all heck before he gets his shot at t big time
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Sep 13, 2015 23:09
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbLvA8nMhIg&t=1395s
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Sep 13, 2015 23:13
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les fleurs du mall posted:its a shame this is only happening now instead of right before the next gen election tbh, I think he needs the time to redefine the party and get tough on Cameron in Parlianment. It'll be a 5-year long election campaign.
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Sep 13, 2015 23:29
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Jeromy will harness the power of millions of previously invisible left wing voters to make anime real
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Sep 13, 2015 23:43
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ah nice, a middle class old white dude who is a champagne socialist, thats just who i want to vote for
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Sep 13, 2015 23:49
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Constant Hamprince posted:Jeromy will harness the power of millions of previously invisible left wing voters to make anime real a chicken in every pot, a car in every garage, and a waifu for every man woman and child
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Sep 13, 2015 23:50
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proof of concept posted:good luck with that one The actual quote isn't quite as rabid as it might sound out of context. “We went into a war that was catastrophic, that was illegal, that cost us a lot of money, that lost a lot of lives,” he added. “The consequences are still played out with migrant deaths in the Mediterranean, refugees all over the region,” he said. Pressed on whether Mr Blair should be charged with war crimes, he said: “If he's committed a war crime, yes. Everyone who's committed a war crime should be.” But there lies the problem, most if not all of the mainstream UK media are going to selectively quote and paraphrase him into inelectability long before the next general election rolls around. At least I won't have to hold my nose when vote labour next time.
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Sep 14, 2015 01:34
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www posted:champagne socialist That really doesn't seem to apply here very much
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Sep 14, 2015 02:01
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The Landstander posted:That really doesn't seem to apply here very much He might be at best a social democrat but he's the last person you would describe as a champagne socialist. The guys pretty much verging on being an ascetic
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Sep 14, 2015 07:51
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the best thing about Corbyn is fat bald tory cunts on Facebook angrily flapping their jowls at the idea that the labour party chose a leader who isn't one of them
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Sep 14, 2015 08:05
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Why didn't the opposition take our advice??
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no the best thing is weepy blairite cunts like dan hodges and, well, most of the rest of them crying about how people stole their labour party from them
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