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Main Paineframe posted:Creatures in the wild aren't typically in a state of high stress; otherwise, the obvious implication is that every living thing on the planet except for post-industrial humans and domesticated animals would be under constant stress, which we know to not be accurate. Of course, there's plenty of instances of momentary stress, that brief moment of panic when you spot movement in the brush and wonder if it's a predator or not, but that's not the kind of stress that really damages health much, and when it does, it's a small price to pay to be ready to escape potential physical danger (at least, before modern society mostly eliminated that danger). Rather, what's damaging to health, and what is more commonly understood by modern humans as "stress", is inescapable stress - things that disturb you enough to trigger your fight-or-flight response, but that can't be escaped just by fighting or fighting, so your body ends up constantly releasing largely useless hormones and chemicals for weeks or months because the human body doesn't really have a proper biological fear response for "your company has announced massive layoffs and your job could be lost at any time" or "your home was broken into and your most important possession was stolen". Ok. That seems legitamite and reasonable in every way. But how about this https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/0114/090114-Quantum-mechanics-explains-efficiency-of-photosynthesis or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_hand_syndrome Pegged Lamb fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Pegged Lamb posted:Ok. That seems legitamite and reasonable in every way. But how about this What do these things have to do with each other? An important point is that ultimately; if you can't design a test that discriminates between two states then the states are identical. This is a fundamental part of science and it explains why its a waste of time to contemplate if we're in a video game. If you can't design a test to determine if you're in a video game then its a meaningless distinction. Similar; what test do you create to determine if free will is real? You can't make one and that's a sign that it isn't important to anything. Salt Fish fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Oct 8, 2015 16:39
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Salt Fish posted:What do these things have to do with each other? Each other? Nothing. Much of nature, and our natures is a complete mess. But its an elegantly mathematical mess. Pegged Lamb fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Oct 8, 2015 16:42
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Pegged Lamb posted:Ok. That seems legitamite and reasonable in every way. But how about this What about them? They're both perfectly understandable, and have no need for supernatural explanations. Quantum physics playing a role in physical processes is not some huge groundbreaking concept, and if you think alien hand syndrome is weird then you clearly haven't even scratched the surface of all the crazy impairments that can be caused by localized brain damage.
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Oct 8, 2015 16:53
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Main Paineframe posted:What about them? They're both perfectly understandable, and have no need for supernatural explanations. Quantum physics playing a role in physical processes is not some huge groundbreaking concept, and if you think alien hand syndrome is weird then you clearly haven't even scratched the surface of all the crazy impairments that can be caused by localized brain damage. Alright. You win. Dark matter isn't just terra incognita that we'll clear away by simply flying nearer it with FTL spacecraft
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Oct 8, 2015 17:01
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If we are, does it matter?
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Oct 8, 2015 17:26
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There are a couple people in my life like this. People who ask questions that are answerable by explanations informed by testable/repeatable/reliable processes, but choose to swipe their arm across the table and disregard several hundred years of effort and scientific inquiry and simply decide to believe in something hokey. Feels better that way. Is it a we-need-to-teach-critical-thinking-in-high-school type of issue?
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duodenum posted:There are a couple people in my life like this. People who ask questions that are answerable by explanations informed by testable/repeatable/reliable processes, but choose to swipe their arm across the table and disregard several hundred years of effort and scientific inquiry and simply decide to believe in something hokey. Feels better that way. While I initially thought this was the OP's issue, his posting is honestly making me think that he has some psychological disorder (either that or he's posting while really high). It's extremely disjointed and difficult to follow.
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Oct 8, 2015 18:34
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"Critical thinking" is the "God of the Gaps" of empirical materialism.
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Oct 8, 2015 19:33
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Pegged Lamb posted:"Critical thinking" is the "God of the Gaps" of empirical materialism. When I said you reminded me of the schizophrenia thread, I wasn't making fun of you or anything. I honestly think you should see a doctor because you sound like you're staggering dangerously close into turning into the next Kyoon.
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Pegged Lamb posted:"Critical thinking" is the "God of the Gaps" of empirical materialism. ..what? Like, seriously, what? I'm not following the comparison at all.
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Oct 9, 2015 04:13
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If were in a computer game then how come the women aren't more scantily clad?
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Oct 9, 2015 06:19
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Main Paineframe posted:When I said you reminded me of the schizophrenia thread, I wasn't making fun of you or anything. I honestly think you should see a doctor because you sound like you're staggering dangerously close into turning into the next Kyoon. He did say his life had a strong narrative, a bit of a warning sign.
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Oct 9, 2015 06:20
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Pegged Lamb posted:Each other? Nothing. Much of nature, and our natures is a complete mess. But its an elegantly mathematical mess. The math isn't very elegant FYI.
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Oct 9, 2015 06:22
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duodenum posted:There are a couple people in my life like this. People who ask questions that are answerable by explanations informed by testable/repeatable/reliable processes, but choose to swipe their arm across the table and disregard several hundred years of effort and scientific inquiry and simply decide to believe in something hokey. Feels better that way. It is better to believe in something hokey that makes you feel good than a useless truth. What use do most people have for studying physics? If you aren't a scientist you won't contribute to the field and will incur a massive opportunity cost learning about all these formulas and what have you when you would get more utility out of adopting a convenient and pleasant belief and using science time to do other stuff.
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Oct 9, 2015 07:35
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Pegged Lamb posted:"Critical thinking" is the "God of the Gaps" of empirical materialism. Buried alive posted:..what? Like, seriously, what? I'm not following the comparison at all. This has been a thing in philosophy of science for a long while, at least as far back as when science was still called natural philosophy. As it currently stands, most scientists agree to use empirical model, where they treat empirical materialism as methodologically useful even if it cannot be shown to be true, at least until a better way comes around. OP read some philosophy of science, you might like it.
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Oct 9, 2015 09:36
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Salt Fish posted:What do these things have to do with each other? you may be confusing what is possible with what you are personally capable of
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Zodium posted:you may be confusing what is possible with what you are personally capable of Please show us this amazing logical proof you've come up with.
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Salt Fish posted:Similar; what test do you create to determine if free will is real? You can't make one and that's a sign that it isn't important to anything. We can't make one currently, but one is conceivable. Your argument means that the question of (for example) the existence of extrasolar planets was a meaningless one to the ancients. They were either there or not, and the fact that there wasn't even close to any extant technology capable of testing such a hypothesis at the time doesn't mean the question itself was nonsense.
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Oct 27, 2015 02:18
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Trent posted:We can't make one currently, but one is conceivable. Such as?
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Oct 27, 2015 14:25
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Deja Vu is your brain saving the memory into long term subconscious before it can save it into short term conscious.
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Oct 27, 2015 17:13
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:If were in a computer game then how come the women aren't more scantily clad? Don't they have Summer where you live?
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He might live in Saudi Arabia to be fair.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!