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Twin Cinema posted:I just finished the book "Big Data Baseball". I don't really know much about pitch framing. Is it still a thing or has it been derided? I feel like I haven't seen articles (or posting) about pitch framing in over a year. The Astros certainly think it is. They traded two useful players, one of whom is a very good defensive catcher, for Hank Conger because he's a really good pitch framer who can't throw out baserunners or hit his weight Also the Yankees got real mad about Jason Castro's pitch framing helping Keuchel get borderline calls in the WC game
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:And then I remembered this post from the other N/V thread: Is this Friedman's first coaching hire for the Dodgers?
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also, as a serious post, the general consensus regarding pitch framing is that there are people that are actively bad at it (A.J. Ellis and Chooch spring to mind), but differentiating among those who are good is really difficult from a skills perspective. Like Cervelli was the best in baseball this year, while Yadier, McCann and Lucroy (who were all considered the best in the game at some point during the past 5-10 years) were middling. Yadi and Lucroy added around .5 strikes per-game, while McCann was actually in the negative despite adding nearly 3 strikes a game back in 2009! There seems to be a good deal of luck involved, or maybe umpires are cognisant of it now? Whatever's the case, the elite talent in pitch framing doesn't stay elite, and you wouldn't think that it would be a skill that atrophied, although the statistical evidence suggests that it does (Jose Molina was around the top his entire career).
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So instead of watching Game 4 last night I decided to do an early postmortem on the Cubs and how things look for next year, going through B-R for WAR and contract data. All projections are from Baseball-Reference. Excluded players who are already off the team or are retiring. C Miguel Montero: 113 G, 15 HR, 53 RBI, .248/.345/.409, 106 OPS+, 1.8 WAR, Signed through 2017 season, $14m salary 2016 Projected 2016 numbers: 13 HR, 54 RBI, .241/.325/.378 Starting catcher for 2016 by default. Good pitch framer, decent snap throws to 1st/2nd, bad defense otherwise. Not much else to say, FA catcher market seems thin this year and you already have 3 catchers on the 25-man. 1B Anthony Rizzo: 160 G, 31 HR, 101 RBI, .278/.387/.512, 144 OPS+, 6.2 WAR, Signed through 2019 season (Team options 2020/2021), $5m salary 2016 Projected 2016 numbers: 27 HR, 80 RBI, .270/.368/.493 Franchise player, cornerstone, whatever you want to say. Will probably shatter a forearm taking his 37th HBP next year. 2B/SS Addison Russell: 142 G, 13 HR, 54 RBI, .242/.307/.389, 90 OPS+, 3.3 WAR, Team control through 2021 Projected 2016 numbers: 13 HR, 51 RBI, .256/.321/.414 Should stick at SS as long as his hamstring injury is healed by spring. Part of the middle infield talent glut where people may have to learn new positions. 2B/SS Starlin Castro: 151 G, 11 HR, 69 RBI, .265/.296/.375, 83 OPS+, 0.6 WAR, Signed through 2019 season (Team option 2020), $7.9m salary 2016 Projected 2016 numbers: 12 HR, 57 RBI, .271/.313/.400 Went from potential trade fodder and a benching to a solid 2B that got hot in September. Took the position shift well and I think the rebound continues next year. Top tier walkup music. 3B/OF Kris Bryant: 151 G, 26 HR, 99 RBI, .275/.369/.488, 133 OPS+, 5.9 WAR, Team control through 2021 Projected 2016 numbers: 20 HR, 77 RBI, .278/.365/.481 Barring a major upset, Bryant should be the runaway NL ROTY. Struck out 199 times in 151 games. Still mashed. Defense may be a liability at 3B but he's only 23 and this can be improved on. Might move to an outfield position (Bryant played LF/CF/RF at least once this year) if Baez is considered a better fit for 3B. "Work on defense" is going to be a recurring thing that needs to be said for this team. OF/2B Chris Coghlan: 148 G, 16 HR, 41 RBI, .250/.341/.443, 113 OPS+, 1.9 WAR, Signed through 2016 (arbitration eligible), $2.5m salary 2015 Projected 2016 numbers: 13 HR, 43 RBI, .260/.334/.431 Former ROTY picked up off the scrap heap and was decent. Slid a man in Pittsburgh just to watch him die. Probably makes occasional starts to give starters the day off and is otherwise a late inning PH/defensive sub. CF Dexter Fowler: 156 G, 17 HR, 46 RBI, .250/.346/.411, 107 OPS+, 2.2 WAR, Free Agent, $9.5m salary 2015 Projected 2016 numbers: 14 HR, 46 RBI, .258/.351/.408 A decent leadoff man with below-average CF defense, Fowler will probably attract a ~$16m qualifying offer from the team that he'll reject. RF Jorge Soler: 101 G, 10 HR, 47 RBI, .262/.324/.399, 97 OPS+, -0.1 WAR, Signed through 2021, $3.7m salary 2016 Projected 2016 numbers: 12 HR, 53 RBI, .271/.330/.434 Should be the starting RF for years to come. Cannon arm but surprisingly a minus defensively overall. WORK ON YOUR DEFENSE. Also strikes out a lot. C/OF Kyle Schwarber: 69 G, 16 HR, 43 RBI, .246/.355/.487, 128 OPS+, 1.7 WAR, Team control through 2021 Projected 2016 numbers: 16 HR, 47 RBI, .259/.347/.473 Those projections look awful as they only project 337 PA. Bad defense. Strikes out a lot. Probably would have been ROTY if he were up for most of the season instead of Bryant. Should spend the winter learning either catcher or corner OF defense because his bat is bonkers. Already the team record holder for postseason HR in one year. Not upset with his defensive play in the postseason at all since this time last year he was still doing instructional ball in Arizona. Jesus Christ look at all this talent signed through 2019 or later. OF Chris Denorfia: 103 G, 3 HR, 18 RBI, .269/.319/.373, 89 OPS+, -0.3 WAR, Free Agent, $2.6m salary 2015 Projected 2016 numbers: 6 HR, 29 RBI, .253/.307/.366 Probably gone. Could come back as a bench player on the cheap but will probably make more starting somewhere that will win sub-80 games and has an outfield need. Player comp is Kosuke Fukudome which should say enough about his continuing value as a Chicago Cub. C David Ross: 72 G, 1 HR, 9 RBI, .176/.267/.252, 44 OPS+, -0.1 WAR, Signed through 2016, $2.5m salary 2016 Projected 2016 numbers: 8 HR, 25 RBI, .205/.277/.352 Please retire. Jon Lester's Personal Catcher is bad at everything except Veteran Presence™ which he can do as the new Assistant Bench Coach or a bullpen catcher or something I don't know, don't play baseball for this team next year Thanks And God Bless. IF Johnathan Herrera: 73 G, 2 HR, 14 RBI, .230/.242/.333, 56 OPS+, -0.4 WAR, Signed through 2016 (arbitration eligible), $900k salary 2015 Projected 2016 numbers: 4 HR, 27 RBI, .251/.299/.355 I don't know if he makes the 25 man roster out of spring training and I don't care either way. Leave the hat with the hands on it. OF Matt Szczur: 47 G, 1 HR, 8 RBI, .222/.278/.333, 67 OPS+, -0.5 WAR, Team control through 2020 Projected 2016 numbers:6 HR, 26 RBI, .247/.303/.390 Have fun in Iowa. IF Javier Baez: 28 G, 1 HR, 4 RBI, .289/.325/.408, 100 OPS+, 0.5 WAR, Team control through 2021 Projected 2016 numbers: 8 HR, 25 RBI, .236/.293/.393 Another piece of the talent glut of middle infielders. Best fit seems to be 3B but also played an acceptable SS and 2B when needed. DEFENSE. WORK ON IT. OF Austin Jackson: (SEA/CHC numbers combined) 136 G, 9 HR, 48 RBI, .267/.311/.385, 95 OPS+, 1.6 WAR, Free Agent, $7.7m salary 2015 Projected 2016 numbers: 9 HR, 45 RBI, .263/.317/.387 Likely gone. Decent OF rental for the last month. IF Tommy La Stella: 33 G, 1 HR, 11 RBI, .269/.324/.403, 98 OPS+, 0.4 WAR, Team control through 2020 Projected 2016 numbers: 4 HR, 29 RBI, .258/.327/.373 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Iowa I guess? Trade fodder for a mid-tier rental next July? UT Mike Baxter: 34 G, 0 HR, 2 RBI, .246/.348/.263, 72 OPS+, -0.1 WAR, team control through 2018, $700k salary 2014 Projected 2016 numbers: 4 HR, 17 RBI, .233/.315/.345 I can't remember a single game he played for the Cubs this year so I'm just going to say Iowa and be done with it. IF Arismendy Alcantara: 11 G, 0 HR, 1 RBI, .077/.226/.077, -12 OPS+, -0.1 WAR, team control through 2020 Projected 2016 numbers: 7 HR, 25 RBI, .224/.286/.372 Has a lot of potential as a 24 year old but they seem to have enough quality middle infielders as it is, so I see Alcantara going as part of a big trade for a showcase playoff piece in June/July. C Taylor Teagarden: 8 G, 0 HR, 2 RBI, .200/.200/.200, 10 OPS+, -0.2 WAR, signed through 2016 Projected 2016 numbers: 6 HR, 23 RBI, .228/.279/.373 Added to the 40-man as an emergency catcher for the playoffs. That's about it. PR Quintin Berry: 2 SB, 1 CS, team control through 2019 Projected 2016 numbers: Who cares Will sit in the minors until September when he will be called up and pinch run. Might come up early if injuries gut the outfield. SP Jake Arrieta: 22-6, 1.77 ERA, 229.0 IP, 45 ER, 48 BB, 236 SO, 222 ERA+, 0.865 WHIP, 4.92 K/BB, 8.7 WAR, Signed through 2017 (arbitration eligible), $3.6m salary 2015 Projected 2016 numbers: 15-7, 2.61 ERA, 190 IP, 55 ER, 51 BB, 189 SO, 1.106 WHIP, 3.71 K/BB The greatest second half in baseball history turned mortal for two playoff games. Despite this I'm going to hold out hope the big inning workload didn't break him. Clear ace of the staff next year. SP Jon Lester: 11-12, 3.34 ERA, 205.0 IP, 76 ER, 47 BB, 207 SO, 117 ERA+, 1.122 WHIP, 4.4 K/BB, 3.1 WAR, Signed through 2020 (2021 team option), $25m salary 2016 Projected 2016 numbers: 11-10, 3.33 ERA, 184.0 IP, 68 ER, 48 BB, 176 SO, 1.190 WHIP, 3.67K/BB Jon is a great pitcher with horrible run support because he and his Designated Catcher David Ross are black holes at the plate. Including no decisions the team was sub-.500 in his starts across the regular season and playoffs. Was signed to win playoff games and went 0-2, mostly because of the run support issues above. Horrible defensive in both pickoffs and fielding (and will not get better) but is usually good enough to home plate to pitch out of it. Depending on how you value Hendricks and any FA pitchers that come in, Lester might arguably be the #4 in the rotation. Praying for an improvement next year and not the sinking feeling that the team has $135 million over the next half-decade sunk into a barely above league average starter. SP Jason Hammel: 10-7, 3.74 ERA, 170.2 IP, 71 ER, 40 BB, 172 SO, 105 ERA+, 1.160 WHIP, 4.3 K/BB, 1.7 WAR, Signed through 2017 (10M team option, 2M buyout after 2016), $9m salary 2016 Projected 2016 numbers: 8-8, 3.93 ERA, 151.0 IP, 66 ER, 42 BB, 136 SO, 1.238 WHIP, 3.24 K/BB Good first half, hurt his hamstring, pretty awful second half. Where he is in the rotation (#5? #4? Pushed into long relief?) will be decided in the spring when they can see if he's fully healed. My guess is he won't be and Hammel will move to the pen in a Travis Wood-like role with the occasional spot start. SP Kyle Hendricks: 8-7, 3.95 ERA, 180.0 IP, 79 ER, 43 BB, 167 SO, 99 ERA+, 1.161 WHIP, 3.88 K/BB, 0.3 WAR, Team control through 2020 Projected 2016 numbers: 9-6, 3.70 ERA, 158 IP, 65 ER, 40 BB, 137 SO, 1.177 WHIP, 3.43 K/BB A bit of a sophomore slump after a fine rookie season, I think these projections are underestimating him. Should be a solid middle to back end starter for the next few years. RP/SP Travis Wood: 5-4, 3.84 ERA, 100.2 IP, 43 ER, 39 BB, 118 SO, 102 ERA+, 1.242 WHIP, 3.03 K/BB, 0.4 WAR, Signed through 2016 (Arbitration eligible), $5.7m salary 2015 Projected 2016 numbers: 5-6, 4.13 ERA, 109.0 IP, 50 ER, 41 BB, 100 SO, 1.330 WHIP, 2.44 K/BB Wood found a good spot in the long relief role and I expect him to stay there next year. RP/SP Clayton Richard: 4-2, 3.83 ERA, 42.1 IP, 18 ER, 7 BB, 24 SO, 103 ERA+, 1.276 WHIP, 3.14 K/BB, 0.4 WAR, Free Agent, $5.2m salary 2015 Projected 2016 numbers: 3-3, 4.42 ERA, 55.0 IP, 27 ER, 16 BB, 39 SO, 1.345 WHIP, 2.44 K/BB Richard had a bit of a career revival with the Cubs this season but I don't see him back unless he signs at a discount. RP Dallas Beeler: 0-1, 9.72 ERA, 8.1 IP, 9 ER, 7 BB, 7 SO, 42 ERA+, 2.520 WHIP, 1.00 K/BB, -0.6 WAR, Team control through 2020 Projected 2016 numbers: 3-4, 4.29 ERA, 65.0 IP, 31 ER, 25 BB, 56 SO, 1.400 WHIP, 2.24 K/BB Everything I see here says "more seasoning in Iowa." RP Trevor Cahill: (ATL/CHC numbers combined) 1-3, 5.40 ERA, 43.1 IP, 26 ER, 16 BB, 36 SO, 72 ERA+, 1.385 WHIP, 2.25 K/BB, -0.2 WAR, Free Agent ($13M Team option, $300k buyout) Projected 2016 numbers: 3-5, 4.63 ERA, 72.0 IP, 37 ER, 29 BB, 62 SO, 1.417 WHIP, 2.14 K/BB Turned his career completely around in Chicago (1.785 WHIP and 51 ERA+ in ATL, 0.765 WHIP and 189 ERA+ with CHC) but there's no way he's getting $13 million to stay. RP Justin Grimm: 3-5, 1.99 ERA, 49.2 IP, 11 ER, 26 BB, 67 SO, 198 ERA+, 1.148 WHIP, 2.58 K/BB, 0.7 WAR, Team control through 2019 (Arbitration eligible) Projected 2016 numbers: 4-4, 3.88 ERA, 58.0 IP, 25 ER, 22 BB, 58 SO, 1.293 WHIP, 2.64 K/BB Good reliever, locked up for a few years. Will probably regress because that ERA/WHIP is usually not sustainable. RP Carl Edwards Jr. 0-0, 3.86 ERA, 4.2 IP, 2 ER, 3 BB, 4 SO, 110 ERA+, 1.286 WHIP, 1.33 K/BB, 0.0 WAR, Team control through at least 2021 Projected 2016 numbers: 1-1, 27.0 IP, 12 ER, 9 BB, 24 SO, 1.296 WHIP, 2.67 K/BB Pitcher of the future who is still probably a year or two away that will until then be known for his amazing plate appearance against Chapman. RP Neil Ramirez: 1-0, 3.21 ERA, 14.0 IP, 5 ER, 6 BB, 15 SO, 125 ERA+, 1.286 WHIP, 2.50 K/BB, 0.2 WAR, Team control through 2020 Projected 2016 numbers: 2-2, 3.25 ERA, 36.0 IP, 13 ER, 13 BB, 35 SO, 1.250 WHIP, 2.69 K/BB Might make the team as a 6th-7th inning guy if some of the current bullpen isn't around in April. RP Jason Motte: 8-1, 3.91 ERA, 48.1 IP, 21 ER, 11 BB, 34 SO, 101 ERA+, 1.221 WHIP, 3.09 K/BB, 0.3 WAR, Free Agent, $4.5m salary 2015 Projected 2016 numbers: 4-2, 4.15 ERA, 52.0 IP, 24 ER, 16 BB, 41 SO, 1.308 WHIP, 2.56 K/BB Injured in late August, his status may determine if he comes back to the team and for how much. RP Fernando Rodney: (SEA/CHC totals combined) 7-5, 4.74 ERA, 62.2 IP, 33 ER, 29 BB, 58 SO, 81 ERA+, 1.404 WHIP, 2.00 K/BB, -0.6 WAR, Free Agent, $7m salary 2015 Projected 2016 numbers: 4-5, 4.00 ERA, 63.0 IP, 28 ER, 26 BB, 60 SO, 1.381 WHIP, 2.31 K/BB Even considering his amazing work in Chicago (538[!]ERA+, 1 ER through 12 innings) that is absolutely not sustainable for a 39 year old relief pitcher but I fear that Joe will keep him on as a hunch and it will cost the team games. RP Yoervia Medina: (SEA/CHC totals combined) 1-0, 4.71 ERA, 21.0 IP, 11 ER, 11 BB, 16 SO, 84 ERA+, 1.619 WHIP, 1.45 K/BB, 0.1 WAR, Team control through 2019 (Arbitration eligible) Projected 2016 numbers: 3-2, 3.73 ERA, 41.0 IP, 17 ER, 38 SO, 1.341 WHIP, 2.24 K/BB I don't remember this guy, I guess he was who they got for Castillo? Whatever, looks like an interchangeable AAAA bullpen part. RP Brian Schlitter: 1-2, 7.36 ERA, 7.1 IP, 6 ER, 2 BB, 4 SO, 56 ERA+, 1.909 WHIP, 2.00 K/BB, -0.3 WAR, Team control through 2019 (Arbitration eligible) Projected 2016 numbers: 2-2, 4.24 ERA, 34.0 IP, 16 ER, 11 BB, 26 SO, 1.353 WHIP, 2.36 K/BB He has a cool beard but is otherwise forgettable. RP Tommy Hunter: (BAL/CHC totals combined) 4-2, 4.18 ERA, 60.1 IP, 28 ER, 14 BB, 47 SO, 99 ERA+, 1.243 WHIP, 3.36 K/BB, 0.4 WAR, Free Agent, $4.6m salary 2015 Projected 2016 numbers: 4-3, 3.69 ERA, 61.0 IP, 25 ER, 16 BB, 50 SO, 1.213 WHIP, 3.13 K/BB The guy they traded Junior Lake for. Will probably not be back. RP Zac Rosscup: 2-1, 4.39 ERA, 26.2 IP, 13 ER, 13 BB, 29 SO, 90 ERA+, 1.463 WHIP, 2.23 K/BB, 0.0 WAR, Team control through 2020 Projected 2016 numbers: 2-2, 4.28 ERA, 40.0 IP, 19 ER, 16 BB, 38 SO, 1.350 WHIP, 2.38 K/BB Iowa! SU Pedro Strop: 2-6, 2.91 ERA, 3 SV, 68.0 IP, 22 ER, 29 BB, 81 SO, 135 ERA+, 1.000 WHIP, 2.79 K/BB, 1.1 WAR, Signed through 2017 (Arbitration eligible), $2.5m salary 2015 Projected 2016 numbers: 3-5, 3.46 ERA, 2 SV, 65.0 IP, 25 ER, 25 BB, 68 SO, 1.169 WHIP, 2.72 K/BB Strop did very well in the setup role this year and as long as he gains a little more control over the low pitches I see him improving over this year. CL Hector Rondon: 6-4, 1.67 ERA, 30 SV, 70.0 IP, 13 ER, 15 BB, 69 SO, 235 ERA+, 1.000 WHIP, 4.60 K/BB, 2.2 WAR, Team control through 2018 (Arbitration eligible) Projected 2016 numbers: 4-4, 3.00 ERA, 17 SV, 66.0 IP, 22 ER, 19 BB, 62 SO, 1.167 WHIP, 3.26 K/BB Fantastic season for Rondon. Even with a slight regression he'll still be a reliable closer. TLDR EVERYBODY REPORT TO ARIZONA AND GET READY TO RUN DEFENSIVE DRILLS FOR THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS Also please find in this order Ace SP Quality defensive CF A way to "convince" David Ross to retire Defensive catcher who can hit above the Mendoza line Average to above-average middle innings RP Trash heap cost-controlled rehab project SP
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Tyler Flowers was ranked the third best framer in 2015 by BP's metric and there were numerous articles written about it by White Sox beat writers throughout the season. Flowers said he did actually look at the ratings throughout the season to see how he was doing, so it's something the actual players are aware of as well.
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:And then I remembered this post from the other N/V thread: fwiw, last time Friedman had to hire a manager, he interviewed Joe Maddon (who got the job) John McLaren Bobby Valentine Joe Girardi (signed w/ Marlins) Mike Schmidt Alan Trammell Terry Pendleton Billy Hatcher Tom Foley Bill Evers
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And honest to god effortpost!  Well done
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straight up brolic posted:also, as a serious post, the general consensus regarding pitch framing is that there are people that are actively bad at it (A.J. Ellis and Chooch spring to mind), but differentiating among those who are good is really difficult from a skills perspective. I'm too lazy to do this, but I wonder if this is affected by who they're catching in a given year. Are certain pitch types with certain movement easier to frame? As a team's rotation changes year-to-year, does this impact the catcher's ability to turn balls into strikes. By the end of the Brewers' season, 3/5 (at one point 3/6, lol) of the pitchers Lucroy was catching weren't even in the majors to start the year. Perhaps their styles didn't enable him to get as much mileage out of framing as guys like Greinke and Gallardo?
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apparently the Cubs are going to pursue Heyward in the offseason...feed me beers until he re-signs or goes to the AL
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Brewers have a new pitching coach in Derek Johnson, formerly the Cubs' minor league pitching coordinator. He was pretty highly regarded as the pitching coach for Vanderbilt a while back, so that's a pretty interesting move, especially with how young the Brewers' rotation is.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:I'm too lazy to do this, but I wonder if this is affected by who they're catching in a given year. Are certain pitch types with certain movement easier to frame? As a team's rotation changes year-to-year, does this impact the catcher's ability to turn balls into strikes. I was thinking the same thing, along with the "all-star strikezone" making catchers who catch good pitchers help get more strikes, while at the same time they're less likely to mislocate a ball somewhere else in the strikezone that the catcher can't frame.
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I wish there was data on the catcher's target, because I can't imagine anyone consistently missing their spots by more than Alfredo Simon.
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I used to be kind of against robot umps calling the strike zone but now I just want framing to no longer matter
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the framing metrics are also adjusted to account for the pitchers that a catcher receives fyi
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straight up brolic posted:apparently the Cubs are going to pursue Heyward in the offseason...feed me beers until he re-signs or goes to the AL Cool. For some reason my brain always merges Dexter Fowler and Jason Heyward into one person for some reason. If they're on the same team I'm going to get super confused by plays in the outfield. DICKS FOR DINNER posted:Brewers have a new pitching coach in Derek Johnson, formerly the Cubs' minor league pitching coordinator. He was pretty highly regarded as the pitching coach for Vanderbilt a while back, so that's a pretty interesting move, especially with how young the Brewers' rotation is. Excellent. I think (and my wife believes with great violence) that the Brewers over the last few years have had a habit of transforming passable pitchers into terrible dinger dispensers. Rookie pitchers come up, show promise, and a year later they're terrible and gone forever. Some of that's just how baseball goes, but it feels like they really have a problem developing pitchers throughout the organization. If there's one thing I hope the new GM does, it's gut that aspect of the system from top to bottom. The Brewers hitters are streaky but powerful, but they just don't have a rotation that can dependably keep them in the close games.
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I refuse to believe that Jorge Soler has the same WAR as David Ross, Mike Baxter, and Arismendy Alcantara.  Great post! It's a confidence-booster knowing how long we have our young talent under control.
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the cardinals have alex reyes, who's basically carlos martinez arriving in the majors sometime next season and i'm very excited.
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:Who are the most likely candidates to replace Mattingly? This list is a likely starting point http://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/dodgersnow/la-sp-dn-five-candidates-to-replace-don-mattingly-as-dodgers-manager-20151022-story.html My guess is Martinez, Kapler or Wallach
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:I refuse to believe that Jorge Soler has the same WAR as David Ross, Mike Baxter, and Arismendy Alcantara. Here's my assumed 25-man roster out of ST assuming no injuries, regressions, unexpected retirements or Cubbie Misfortunes: C Montero C Ross (...) 1B Rizzo IF Castro IF Baez IF Russell IF La Stella C/OF Schwarber 3B/OF Bryant OF Soler OF Coghlan CF Offseason Pickup UT (one of Alcantara/Szczur/Herrera) SP Arrieta SP Offseason Pickup SP Lester SP Hendricks SP/RP Hammel SP/RP Wood SP/RP Offseason Pickup RP (one of Ramirez/Schlitter/Rosscup/Beeler/Edwards/Medina)/Resign/Offseason Pickup RP Grimm RP (one of Ramirez/Schlitter/Rosscup/Beeler/Edwards/Medina) SU Strop CL Rondon Pull one of the RP roulette slots and have two of the UT players if you prefer 11 pitchers to 12.
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Vernacular posted:This list is a likely starting point http://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/dodgersnow/la-sp-dn-five-candidates-to-replace-don-mattingly-as-dodgers-manager-20151022-story.html Then again, I also thought there was a good chance they held on to Donnie this winter so what do I know? I get the feeling Kapler likes what he's doing now though, and the Dodgers seem to like him there as well so I'm not sure it makes sense moving him out of that role. I also wonder how it's possible for any modern front office to even consider a managerial candidate who doesn't speak Spanish these days. Spanish is so pervasive in baseball that it seems it ought to be a virtual requirement for that kind of job. Intruder posted:I never saw this quote before
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Profar activated to play in the AFL, would be pretty cool if he is not dead
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CubsWoo posted:Here's my assumed 25-man roster out of ST assuming no injuries, regressions, unexpected retirements or Cubbie Misfortunes: Schlitter is gone forever thank god. Edwards is pretty much a lock and would fit well into your third proposed SP/RP slot, and a healthy Neil Ramirez is a certainty in one of your open RP slots as well.
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is it too early for a rosterbation/free agency thread? I want to talk about how the Yankees need to sign everyone in order to win 89 games
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Carlosologist posted:is it too early for a rosterbation/free agency thread? I want to talk about how the Yankees need to sign everyone in order to win 89 games
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I'd almost like the Cardinals to use a 6 man rotation for a bit next year to keep the workload off of the younger guys in the rotation so they can make it to October (if there is an October) and not be totally gassed. If healthy, it definitely seems possible with: Wainwright, Martinez, Wacha, Lynn, Garcia, Gonzales/Lyons. I would also like to give a bunch of money to Jason Heyward because he is super fun to watch play baseball. Holliday has one year left (two including a team option) and it would be nice to lock up a good outfielder with him on his way out shortly.
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R.D. Mangles posted:Pirates and Cardinals are so good, who knows if the Cubs even make the playoffs next year. Scob posted:i wouldnt be surprised if any of the three teams win the division next season honestly All three teams performed above their Pythag W-L (STL +4, PIT +5, CHC +7) so a regression from any or all of them is probable. But even if every team had performed to their Pythag W-L the NL would have been about the same: NL Central STL (96-66) NL West TIE (LAD/SFG 89-73) NL East TIE (NYM/WSN 89-73) WC #1 PIT (93-69) WC #2 CHC (90-72) The AL would have been a little different: AL East TOR (102-60) AL West HOU (93-69) AL Central KCR (90-72) WC #1 NYY (88-74) WC #2 CLE (84-77) Texas just misses at 83-79, tied with Baltimore.
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Thom P. Tiers posted:I'd almost like the Cardinals to use a 6 man rotation for a bit next year to keep the workload off of the younger guys in the rotation so they can make it to October (if there is an October) and not be totally gassed. If healthy, it definitely seems possible with: What is the timeline for Reyes? 2017?
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Mike_V posted:What is the timeline for Reyes? 2017? I'd say it's possible you might see him next September, but for a full year, yea probably 2017. No reason to rush him with the current staff, obviously.
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Oct 22, 2015 20:25
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Mike_V posted:What is the timeline for Reyes? 2017? knowing the Cardinals, he will probably setting up/closing next year
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Oct 22, 2015 20:28
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CubsWoo posted:AL West HOU (93-69) 
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Oct 22, 2015 20:36
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STL's pythag was worse than their record but their best hitter and pitcher were out the majority of the season, so that should prevent a bit of regression. The bigger concern is the unsustainable cluster luck.
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For what it's worth, I would have much rather played the Indians than you guys in the WC, too.
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It would have been the Astros against the Royals in the ALDS regardless so we have a "But history refused to change" scenario building here
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