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While browsing the internet at work, I'm always checking through CL looking for deals, sometimes using the search feature in different ways just to see what pops up. So I just search Mazda > Manual Transmission and this little gem pops up instantly, posted the same day. Nice looking low mileage Protige you have their, sir. I love it when people misspell poo poo so dudes like me can take advantage. Normally I would jump on poo poo like this in a heart beat, but I was short on cash. After emailing the guy he says he's gonna be out of town for over a week which works out perfect because I would have the cash by then, and I'm also banking on little interest in it because of the misspelling. The BG crowd knows what little gems these cars are and snatch them up, especially the manuals. And also because it's a manual, it keeps the casual car buyer away, so I'm thinking I've got the upper hand....Hopefully. The guy gets back, car is still for sale, and I meet him the next day with cash in hand. He told me the windshield was toast because of the hood coming up on it on the interstate. It was his old roommate's who had passed away years ago and left it to him so it had been sitting awhile. Because of that he had a new gas tank and fuel pump installed because it wasn't getting fuel due to a rusty tank. He also had a box of brand new injectors to go with it, as well as just replacing the radiator and alternator. Apparently after he did all this the windshield accident happened and he said gently caress it and just wanted to get rid of it.....When I got in the car I instantly realized all the shifter bushings were completely shot, finding a gear was kind of a suggestion. Once I got it rolling out of the driveway, GRIIIIIIND, brakes are shot. Drove pretty good and my main concern was overheating so I made sure to push it a bit and then leave it running while I went over the rest of the car. Didn't overheat! Idle was surging BAD and almost cutting off, and there was a bad oil leak out of the valve cover that was making a ton of smoke. It looked and sounded a lot worse than it was so I offered him $500 and he took it. TL;DR I bought a 90's Mazda shitbox.  LOL   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdsBoHMlBok
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No engine swaps planned, at least not for awhile, if I can get this engine running right it's gonna have a lot of life left. Goals for this car are to get it running and driving like new, so basically overhauling the suspension. The motor shouldn't be an issue but we'll see. Did I mention it has a bad exhaust leak as well? Gotta get that fixed asap along with the windshield. You can see how bad the windshield is at this angle.
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Oct 20, 2015 06:33
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mafoose posted:Could I join with my shitbox beegee? Of course you can join, all Bee Gees welcome! When I had my 323 the same thing happened, so I just went to the JY and got another one. Or you can swap in a manual belt from an 3 door Escort or Ford Probe....I think maybe an MX3 too, it just has to be a 3 door BG variant. That would be the way to go honestly, the automatic belts suck rear end. I'm trying to get some Canadian manual belts for mine, AI goon iv46vi is looking for me, hopefully he finds some! Seat Safety Switch posted:Man I have been looking for a BG a long time. It already has a new tank and fuel pump!  Although the fuel pump is REALLY loud wtf is up with that, this isn't a race car  meatpimp posted:I like this thread. AI needs more shitboxes. Thanks pimper of meat. A turbo definitely sounds like a fun idea, but I'm gonna focus on the suspension first. I'm contacting SuperPro bushings in Australia to get a quote for all the bushings I need, it's gonna be a pain according to the guys in the Protege forums. But apparently they are the best, so if any Aus goons want to look into that for me to bypass the bullshit it would be awesome, looking on their website it looks like they have vendors all over the continent. I have all the part numbers so it should be relatively easy to find them and ship them. Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Oct 20, 2015 |
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Oct 20, 2015 15:42
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ionn posted:Congratulations on an excellent shitbox! I've owned, driven and 24hr-lemons-raced several 1989-1992 Mazda 323's (BG, all but one with the 130hp BP engine), and it's been hilarious. Mostly red hatchbacks, one of which is being raced this weekend. Spare parts brought along in the form of a black 323F that I'm also currently driving around in. Nice, the BG cars in Europe are so much nicer and more plentiful it seems, I'm super jealous. We never got the GTRs and that sucks big time 
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Oct 20, 2015 15:52
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Tommychu posted:Pretty sure that's a B8ME powered car, and if it is it's got a different manifold flange so to turbo one you're making a manifold completely from scratch. Or swapping a BP head on. Which is a good thing to do anyway because I've never seen a B8ME cam without some serious pitting. Yeah I think you're right, unless there are B8 turbo manis floating around I won't be putting a turbo on it unless I swap in a BP. Not sure if you can swap on a BP head either, but it would probably be easier to just swap the whole motor, wouldn't it?
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Oct 20, 2015 15:57
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From what CharlesM was telling me earlier before i started the thread, the B8 torque is about the same as the BP so if that's the case once i tune it up and get it running as close to perfect as I can I'll be happy with it, all my cars are low HP four bangers so I'm used to it. Handling is the most important to me, and I know the potential of the BG chassis so I'm confident I can build me a pretty fun shitbox to tool around town in.
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Oct 20, 2015 17:28
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Cool thing about these cars too is that there are lots of parts on closeout from rockauto. I just ordered a shitload of parts for $140 including shipping. I already had some new rotors, caliper hardware and drum shoes from my last BG that I tried to sell years ago and nobody wanted them so I gave up. Now I get to use them  [e] Just got this back from my brother, he thought he lost it but found it! 
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Oct 20, 2015 18:34
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Brought it out to the driveway for a good pressure washin' and to flush the (god drat) cooling system. I soaked down the engine bay with orange kleen to loosen up some of the grime, then hit it with low pressure. Before:  After:  Looks a lot better in person. Then I started the flush process.  YUMMY! Used this flush poo poo that's supposed to be really good. Used half the bottle for the BG, the rest will go to the Miata.  After running that through, ran a few gallons of distilled water until it was clear. I have to keep lots of distilled water because my Miata goes through lots of it due to a leaking water pump which I will get to in the next decade or so 
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Oct 20, 2015 22:22
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Seat Safety Switch posted:It will never stop scaring the poo poo out of me when people in sunny climates drain their radiator onto the ground. It always takes me awhile to remember it's just water and not cat murder juice. Yeah it was just water. I have straight distilled water in it now, but I'll probably add a gallon of coolant later just to help lube the water pump a bit. Probably gonna paint the steelies as well unless i find the wheels I want sooner. everdave posted:How good is the flush stuff? Could it help a "clogged" radiator? Supposedly it's the best poo poo out there, search it on Amazon, it's relatively pricey but worth a shot. The main reason i got it was to get all the loving stop leak out of my Miata before I do the water pump job. I would try it out before going through a rad swap if it's a pain. Petite Dinklage posted:If you go under the car on the catalog and search "closeout" in the search box next to the engine size, it will highlight any categories that have closeout parts in them. Since 99% of closeout parts all ship from the same warehouse, you can load up on cheap, old stock. Cool thanks. Lotta good deals to be had, I got $12 wiper blades for $2 and a bunch of other parts at a fraction of the original price. Good poo poo.
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Oct 21, 2015 03:29
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Haha wow. Costs way more than the car is worth though
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Oct 21, 2015 03:41
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Chriskory posted:I was pretty obsessed with the BG platform for a while. Nice, my first BG was an Escort GT too, I remember first driving it thinking "Holy poo poo, this is a Ford?" and owning it for over a year before I found out it was actually a mazda Since then I've owned two 323's (last one was a bad decision) and a BP Kia Sephia. Had to get rid of the Kia because the kia specific parts were way too expensive for me to put anymore money into it. My brother has also had a few of them, his last being an LX auto that had a shitload of trouble free miles on it. Ephphatha posted:Looks like supercheap stock or can order products from that company. They're all over the place, there's one in town if you want me to find what you need. I've got PMs or you can email leica@thelettereph.com. PM sent because I'm not too sure about that email, is my username supposed to be in there? Thanks a lot for offering to help out! VVVV Ok, makes sense, email sent! Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Oct 21, 2015 |
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Oct 21, 2015 16:27
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Tommychu posted:Hey if iv46vi can't find your belts and panels there's a set down here I can rip out. He didn't find anything but a later protege and those won't work, so if you got a bead on some that would be awesome. I would need the A pillar and B pillar plastic, as well as all the mounting hardware. I don't need the female latches as mine will work, just the belt assembly. Do you happen to know what color they are? Anything short of tan would be fine I think, although I don't think BG's ever came with a tan interior. Dude it would be awesome if this works out, the automatic belts are the worst part of this car. Seat Safety Switch posted:Is that car still there? Sounds like even if Iv pulls it off there's a market for these things with other American BG owners. What Tommychu said. Also there really hasn't been much posting going on there lately, seems to have really died off in the last few years. Ephphatha posted:I had a look at that Melbourne suppliers website after emailing you as well leica and while they don't stock the specific bushings they have a special request form so it's pretty likely they'll be able to get it if supercheap can't. Thanks man. I sent you an email, lemme know how much it's gonna cost before you go ordering anything!
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Oct 22, 2015 02:48
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Doin' work at 1am  Movin' poo poo out of the way, this will get cleaned up later.  Two good wires and two horrible wires which was probably the idle surge problem . This goes in the trash.  poo poo outta the way to get ready for parts coming in. I figured i'd have to take off the TB for cleaning but i was shocked at how clean it was, like literally no build up at all. Looking inside to the intake it looks brand new as well. How the hell does this happen? My Miata's intake is black as poo poo.  Prep for another pressure wash. The valve cover leak was worse than i thought, I was scraping gobs of poo poo off the trans and front of the motor. Scraped off what I could and doused with orange clean to soak over night and wash in the morning. 
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Oct 22, 2015 03:53
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Tommychu posted:Both lower panels were black and the uppers were, I wanna say a light grey but they could have been off-white. Memory's not great because I had a bit of stupid drama to deal with this morning and I've been a bit on edge all day. Yep, black and off white is exactly what I have. Should be standard Mazda bolts, but I don't have any extras....A few might work from the power belt retractor under the console but I'm not sure. But yeah lemme know what else you got, I might be able to use some of it. Funny thing is I had a nice extra battery tray with all the brackets that I chucked not long ago and of course I could use it now. I wonder how many BG parts sockington has lying around  mafoose posted:What sucks about the non power belt swap is you need the headliner too, otherwise there's a huge gap with the non power plastics. Well gently caress, how bad is it? I might be better off just leaving in the old tracks and plastic then? I don't want it to look too hokey, but I might be able over look it if it's not that bad. Or maybe get one of those headliner extenders from HF.
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I'm going to pm him and see what he's up to, haven't heard from him in awhile. I'm guessing he's not doing AI SS right? I could have sworn he said the last one was it for him. In other news, I got the price quote for the Superpro bushings from Ephphatha:  And that's not even including the twin links in the rear. Wow.
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Oct 22, 2015 17:04
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Wow that does look pretty bad, I wonder if I should even bother with the Canadian plastics. I'm assuming the Canadian belts come with that metal spacer to clear the power belt track? Well I guess once I get everything together I'll just decide what I'm going to do, but it's not like I'm going to be getting a Canadian headliner.
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Oct 23, 2015 16:41
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Shitbox #2 needs work Lost the power brakes. Stepping on the brake pedal effects the idle so it must be a vacuum leak right? This is the lovely vacuum line I replaced thinking it was the problem for sure but it didn't do anything  So now I'm trying to figure out what the gently caress is going on with the brakes, the booster is not exhibiting the symptoms of a bad booster so I don't know wtf. Meanwhile I got parts for the BG 
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Oct 23, 2015 18:17
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Check valve is built into that vacuum line, that's why I got a new one. I figured the old line and/or check valve was hosed but I guess not. Throwing parts at this problem isn't gonna work apparently
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Oct 23, 2015 19:15
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Pretty much, looks like I'm going to have to throw a new booster at it At least i can upgrade to a NB2 booster/master to get that sweet pedal feel 
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Oct 25, 2015 02:36
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Cool, I'd be very interested to see that. Finally got everything buttoned up today. Had to spend most of my time on it because rain was coming and all my poo poo is outside so I had to finish putting all the new parts on. Between work and family, and now coaching little league I don't have much free time to gently caress with these drat cars. I just wanna get this thing on the road for now so i can put the Miata up and finally fix the water pump and everything else it needs. Time to fix the horrible gasket leak. Head looks good.  Went ahead and swapped out the oxy sensor because they're cheap.  On a whim I decided to order a new clutch master and slave since they were so cheap, I figured i'd probably need one if not both, good thing i did.  You can see the new master poking in, and what the old leaky one did to the bracket.  Slave swapin'.....  ....And all buttoned up.  Runs a lot better now, just need to get it registered, a new windshield and have the exhaust leak welded up. Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 07:51 on Oct 27, 2015 |
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Oct 27, 2015 07:40
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CharlesM posted:Get a battery tie-down? Not yet, it's gonna be zip ties until I can get to a junk yard. Fo3 posted:But these were really good cars that sold cheap because a lot of buyers rather buy a new hyundai; or the more popular corolla or honda s/h Exactly, I always leaned towards BGs because they're cheaper and better than Toyotas of the same era, and even newer. maybe not so much better than Civics but finding a cheap manual Civic that hasn't been molested is not easy. Now that I have this one I may just keep an eye out for a clean LX or 323 as well, maybe start a collection 
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Oct 27, 2015 16:09
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Phone posted:Yo leica, I found a good deal on a car for you: http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=593167 Lol automatic Miata. Agreed about early 90's Toyotas econoboxes, it's just that they aren't engaging at all and very boring. I know because I own one
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Just took it to the muffler shop thinking it needed a patch and the entire exhaust from the cat back has holes in it, all on the top of the pipe so I never saw it when i was underneath the car. And it looks like a new windshield is gonna cost at least 200, and title/registration was 150. The $$$ is starting to add up Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Oct 27, 2015 |
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Oct 27, 2015 19:59
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Found a way too expensive MONZA exhaust lol http://www.azraceplace.com/91-96-fo...yDY4BoCAXzw_wcB Yeah gonna go ahead and order the Bosal from rockauto, and search around for a better price on a windshield. Maybe I'll get one from a JY and do it myself [e] Looks like the Bosal exhaust from rockauto is gonna be about 150 shipped, more than i thought, but still cheaper than the quote from the muffler shop for a welded lovely unit. If anyone knows where I can pick one up cheaper i'm all ears. Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Oct 27, 2015 23:08
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Backyardmechanic.jpg Brought it out front for some cleaning while I wait on the exhaust. Needed a good vacuum, and all the door jambs and weather stripping was loving disgusting. Every used car i've ever bought needed the weather stripping and door jambs thoroughly cleaned, apparently nobody thinks that area ever needs attention.   Found these between the seat and console, all I need is the top bracket for the battery now!    Going to finish up cleaning today, then it's back to the back yard to go up on jack stands to take off the wheels to see what else I need and get ready for the exhaust. I also need to replace the shifter bushings while I'm under it, so it's off to the dealer to get those. Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Oct 29, 2015 |
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Oct 29, 2015 16:31
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Sweet, had no idea NAPA had those! It says "front" under information though, the rears aren't a different size are they? Last time I did it it was on my BG Kia but i don't remember if they are different or not.
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Oct 29, 2015 23:41
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mafoose posted:I think the kia one is slightly different because I had to swap something on the transmission on mine (sephia trans in my 323). I'm REALLY tempted to grab a Kia BP/G series because there are lots of them in the yards. Gotta take baby steps though, once I get this thing buttoned up I have to get to work on my Miata, I've been neglecting it for far too long. Drove the protege to work today and man it sounds like poo poo, the exhaust is swiss cheese at this point. I imagine it should run a bit better too with a little back pressure once I get the new exhaust on. Also decided to get a windshield through insurance, by FL law if you have comprehensive coverage the insurance company has to pay for it. Doing both the protege and Camry, and if my rates go up I'm jumping ship.
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Oct 30, 2015 01:24
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So I can get a windshield  But honestly, comprehensive is so cheap, I always add it on to my cars by default. Probably is overkill for this car though. [e] If it catches on fire and burns to the ground I'd probably get more than what I paid for it
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Oct 30, 2015 01:50
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Yeah I was gonna get those, but for 5 bucks I can use the plastic ones and it will be fine for now. I need to see what else is gonna cost me money before I splurge on bushings. I just need it to shift like normal, and right now it's horrendous.
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Oct 30, 2015 03:01
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Has it been confirmed that those are the correct size bushings and bolts that will fit a BG?
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Oct 30, 2015 08:06
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Having surging idle issues again, down low to under 100 rpm almost stalling, then back up to around 800 rpm at normal idle, over and over until I get moving. It starts to happen after the motor warms up. After the tune up it seemed to disappear but has returned, I doubt it's the IAC because the rpm's usually go up in that scenario.
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Oct 31, 2015 00:29
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It was doing it a lot worse before I did the tune up, it would flat out die. Now it's just loping down and up. I haven't noticed any hissing, but I'll have to pay more attention next time. I've read on CP that it's probably a good idea to replace the vacuum lines, so I think I'm gonna do that soon and see what happens. It the only remaining thing I can think of besides maybe a bad ground, but I cleaned those up already.
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Oct 31, 2015 03:44
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some texas redneck posted:(a cracked PCV valve or loose oil filler cap/dipstick can also cause weird idle issues) Hmm, I just noticed recently that there is a bit of a leak from the filler cap, maybe it's time for a new one. I'm thinking the engine is going to run a lot different (better) once I get the new exhaust on it, so once that's done I'll start trying to track down the source of the problem (throw more parts at it )
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Oct 31, 2015 16:42
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Yep new NGK wires and plugs, cap and rotor. Considering a new coil as well since they're pretty cheap. Got the exhaust today 
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Oct 31, 2015 18:36
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Aaaaand it died on me today trying to take it to work. I noticed that it was struggling a bit to crank yesterday, and today got a couple of weak turnovers then nothing. Didn't have time to check the battery, but it has a 12/12 date on it so it's only about three years old. I just hope there's not a draw on it or something, can't imagine a car with no options other than a/c draining the battery.
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Nov 2, 2015 02:16
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Took it to Advance auto and they tested it on the car. No drain on it and it was barely alive, they suggested maybe the alternator but it was recently replaced and the car wouldn't start to test it so I just said gently caress it and got a new battery rather than wait around for them to charge it and have it die again to tell me yeah it's the battery. Made an appointment to get the windshield replaced tomorrow, and it's still too loving hot for me to put it on jackstands and start loving with the exhaust, besides I got the exhaust but no gaskets yet and I ordered them at the same time wtf. I'm really hoping I'm not going to have to dump much more money and time into this thing, I just need to drive it so I can get to work on the Miata. Gonna have to make a trip to the JY and try to find a new hood and hinges as well as other bits.
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Nov 3, 2015 01:53
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Thanks dude bro. Just checked the tracking on my package from Tommychu, it's in Orlando now, hopefully I'll get it in the morning, or at least by Monday! Then the car is going on jackstands and I'll really be ripping it apart this time, while I'm doing the auto to manual belt swap I'm going to take out the carpet and give it a good power washin'. Then I'm also gonna tackle the exhaust, shifter bushings, brakes and anything else that comes up which probably will
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Nov 7, 2015 07:29
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Windshield replaced. Painted the muffler, cowl, and wiper arms.  Fabricated a battery bracket  Then i changed the oil and found this in the drain pan.  Should I be worried? 
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You can see the little shards in the pan too, I think it's aluminum because it's really soft.....Maybe from the threads in the oil pan? Main bearings aren't that soft are they? I did run a little bit of seafoam in the crankcase for 50 miles, I don't think that would have hurt anything though. The paint is some sort of rustoleum for car trim poo poo, it is kinda shinny, I may just go over it with a coat of flat. Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Nov 8, 2015 |
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Hot drat I think you're right because I had to break out the filter wrench to get it off and it was a bitch, it's probably shavings from me scraping the gently caress out of the filter to get it off falling into the pan. Phew!
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