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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Moon Atari posted:

Being in young radical progressive social circles would suck so bad. Imagine all the drama, bitchiness and petty spite of regular college kids, then add on an even greater concentration of overbearing personalities, byzantine and ever changing social norms, legitimised tantrums, a tendency to connect every interaction and minor annoyance to larger social political issues, and have rape sub in for witchcraft/reds as the focus of moral panic. Even if your racial/gender/sexual identity grants you moral authority status you can still be taken out by the most insubstantial of accusations, and your own beliefs and the social pressures you have endorsed prevent you from not agreeing and taking responsibility even if you aren't so indoctrinated as to actually think you did wrong.
It feels like they're cracking down tighter and tighter on the people who already agree with them, while the vast majority of college students and off-campus student life totally rejects everything they believe in. The Tumblr stuff does not fly in the frat house.

Germstore posted:

I think it means she should turn herself into the police, and then when they don't arrest her for rape, protest in front of the station until they do.
I don't know how it is in the UK, but the rad-progressive approach to dealing with rape has got to be a goddamn conspiracy to prevent rapists from being punished. Probably on the part of university administrations, co-opting student activists and to ensure that rape allegations are dealt with through resignations or quiet means rather than criminal charges.

Why anyone would want universities to police themselves after Jerry Sandusky is out of their minds.

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Professor Shark posted:

Off topic, but learning about how loving hard Universities work to cover up rape was one of the most mind-blowing experiences of my life when I was 19-20. It hit me hard that the institutions that family and teachers had pushed on me could actually be corrupt, then I watched The Wire, and the rest is Goon History

I knew someone who went to the University of Guelph years ago and they had a serial rapist at one point stalking the dorms, raping several girls in one night before he was caught, as well as a girl who was raped on property that the university owned but was argued as not technically being part of campus, even though it was juts across the street of the main campus, so that didn't make the news either!
It's just so freaking bizarre to me. There's a lot of talk about men accused of rape being railroaded by university tribunals (which I think is true) but the flip side is that punishment is expulsion and the alleged crime is hushed up, which is under-penalizing the accused if he is actually guilty. The rapist is just ... let back out into the community. And there's nothing to prevent him from going to off-campus college parties. They're not serving any jail time. He's not going to end up in the newspaper.

And this is the broad feminist position. It's insane. Which is why I said yeah, the only explanation is that the campus left is being co-opted by corrupt institutions.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
^ Yeah it's $$$. Rapists being arrested and having their names in the newspapers is bad for the college's image. Parents might look elsewhere while gearing up to send their daughters off to college.

My argument is actually a left-wing one, too. It says the broad consensus "SJW/left-wing" position on campus rape is actually protecting rapists and institutions from accountability. I've made that argument to people supportive of private/secret rape tribunals and they didn't know how to respond. They had never been challenged in that way before.

Point being that if you're going to attack a left-wing argument, you should attack it further from the left. Or if it's a right-wing argument, attack it from the far right. It's like outflanking your opponent.

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