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What's that sound I hear? sounds like....like...an alarm clock.
Wake up and smell the New Normal.

This sort of thing is going to recur from time to time for the forseeable future.






E:
Or maybe they really, really, really didn't like the band.

That's music critics for you.

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Radical Islam is a plague, a memetic infection of their culture, and not the first we have seen (i.e, Nazzies, PolPot, etc.).

The 3 basic methods of containing a plaque is:

Inoculation. -prevent radicalization and recruitment.
Quarantine. -wall them off, destroy their revenue stream, let 'em starve out.
Sterilization. -fire and lots of it.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE

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quote:
Inoculation. -prevent radicalization and recruitment.
Quarantine. -wall them off, destroy their revenue stream, let 'em starve out.
Sterilization. -fire and lots of it.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE

Ilustforponydeath posted:

How is it simple to prevent recruitment into an organization that offers free sex slaves, long beards and kill whitey? That's basically what every muslim has dreamt about ever

Well, the three methods tend to a sequence. The last is the simple one.

We'll see.

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Complex problems require complex solutions.

There will be no simple fix for this thousand-year-old running mess.

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zimboe posted:

Complex problems require complex solutions.

There will be no simple fix for this thousand-year-old running mess.

Or maybe there is...
Dropping enough Valium to cover the ground two feet deep might do it.

Regular bombs just seem to piss 'em off worse.

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4outof5 posted:

I think the lesson we can all take from this is:

Genocide is historically and actually effective but some SA posters are too pussy to solve problems.

hosed but true, genocide works.
hosed but true, we're too civilized.

They are not.

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Yolomon Wayne posted:

Ban religion. Make it illegal.
Burn alive all who believe in any kind of god in this time and age.

Well, Yah, but then we would have to invent rational reasons to kill each other.

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Religion is one of many sorts of memetic parasite.

At best it is a beneficial symbiont, giving comfort and stability in a fearsome world.
At worst it is a virulent contagious pathogen, giving madness.

We are dealing with the latter.

Not all are so infected-which complicates things no end.

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A Stupid Baby posted:

etruscans and philistines i guess


What do you think would happen if europe just decided to pen all the refugees up in barbed wire camps

Do you think it would stop a handful of determined guys from smuggling assault rifles and themselves into the country

Yah, France has strict gun control so where are all these AK's coming from? And the juice for the suicide vests?

Is it just smuggling or is there an old big cache somewhere dribbling out firepower as required?

Follow the guns.

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unpacked robinhood posted:

They frequently find caches filled with AKs in the banlieues

Well then, time to sweep house-to-house. Which will likely get quite messy.
Given, I'm sure , that most people there are decent and just trying to get on with their lives, that majority is likely to be glad to be rid of these radical scrotes.
So use this.
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How 'bout a bounty? Greed always works.
Say, a fat 100k per weapon recovered, call this snitch line, anonymity guaranteed, bounty paid NQA.

Cost-wise,overall, it is a bargain.

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gary oldmans diary posted:

memetic lifelong insanity
passed on intentionally for the sole benefit or relieving parental anxiety about explaining death to your children
potentially trains adherence to universally irrational methods of thinking and problem solving
magnifies existing cultural differences and introduces artificial ones
removes interest in objectivity for moral decision making
emphasis in rewards/punishments for adherence
just world viewpoints give social allowance for sociopaths to run amok on the basis that they'll get what they deserve "in the next life"

thousands or tens of thousands of hours per person of thinking and discussing the rules and mechanics of something that is no more real than harry potter

let kids just give humanism a chance already
stupid planet
That's kind of harsh. Seeing some anger here.
Christ, and I thought I was a militant atheist.
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Religion can and usually is beneficial. If it wasn't we wouldn't use it.

O'course, Heroin gives comfort too.

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Boinks posted:

Religion was beneficial, like the appendix was, but now it doesn't do anything and sometimes bursts and kills people.

Good analogy. Hopefully we will evolve out of it.

Some day religion might be outlawed in the same way as narcotics are now.
Ref. Alfred Bester, The Stars my Destination, a scifi masterpiece ahead of its time.
He writes of "religion-birds" and "disease-junkies" in a world with neither.

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happyhippy posted:

Yeah, until they start framing innocent people to get that money.
Remember Afghanistan when the warlords were pointing fingers at each other and calling each other Al Queada for the sweet sweet US dollar?
Bounties do not always work.

They only get paid if the cold iron is recovered- which solves the false witness problem. Guns to Gold, as it were.
Hah, there's the name for it- Gold for Guns. Pay 'em in gold-even more attractive.

You might even see the cache holders themselves selling off their stock to the gendarmes and blowing town with the sweet sweet coinage.

If a few assholes accidentally get SWATTED, well, there's always gonna be some collateral damage.
I still think it would work.

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happyhippy posted:

Also most have family members back in the war torn original places.
So they won't rat out others, incase word gets back and their family is killed.
Bounties may work in some situations like non-war mafia like organizations. Not refugee/war/terrorist ones.

gently caress, I know a few IRA guys in my hometown. A few UVF drug dealers too. Wonder why I don't snitch on them...

Well, I didn't say it was a perfect plan.

But every single rifle off the streets is another incident avoided- and these incidents are very,very expensive when all the costs are included.

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ethanol posted:

Hi thread how can I president Hollander act to stop these attacks from happening again? Please your lovely opinions count and I am reading every post unironically . Thank u and God bless

Yah, like he's gonna listen to our well-reasoned advice. He already has highly paid and therefore competent advisors, ya know.

We get paid dick.


E: Dick.

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Hatebag posted:

It's a bad plan because unless the bounty price is less than the cost to smuggle in or procure guns you're creating a revenue stream for bad dudes. If the bounty is that low no one would take the risk associated with claiming the bounty.

That's a budgeting question and secondary.

The overall cost to the society of these attacks are so high you could make it a cool mill a gun and still be in the black overall.

There's gotta be a way to make this work without making France a gun magnet.

A similar theory:

Someone once computed that it would be far cheaper for 'Murka to buy the entire South American cocaine crop at the source and burn it than to prosecute the War on Drugs.
O'course you know why that's not gonna happen.

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Hatebag posted:

Then the terrorists just claim the bounty themselves and use it to buy more guns. Just makes the situation worse.

So who is selling them the guns in the first place? Where is the pipeline?

Burn THEM

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Hatebag posted:

Oil cartels jack up prices, supply shock, global recession.
The only solution is to develop a new fuel source. Then there's no reason any western powers would want to be in the middle east and money is not going to governments that collude with terrorists. No reason or means for stuff like this. Syngas is coming back!

Frack, frack, frack your blues away.

drill baby drill and watch 'em starve.

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Lucy Heartfilia posted:

1) Hollande is talking about France being at war with the IS.
2) A former German NATO general says that the situation is equivalent to 9/11 and the likelihood that article 5 will be successfully invoked is high.

What is Article 5? i don't like the sound of this.

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Lucy Heartfilia posted:

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Isn't that the same basic mechanism that caused WW1?

Again, me no rikey.

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Pillowpants posted:

Are the attackers from France or somewhere else?

Yah, if it is domestic terrorists than how can Article 5 apply?
It's an insurgency, not a war.

Whew.

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Hatebag posted:

The market value of oil would go way up and then less commerce would be able to happen on a global scale. Doesn't matter how much oil US/Canada produce. It's what happened in the 70's. I don't think it'd be the worst thing but the world is run by rich people and as a rule the rich do not do things that make them less rich, so the Saudi's should be comfortable.

If it does, 'Merka (AKA Bonerland) and everyone else fracks their asses off.

Supply goes up, prices go down, environmentalists have a collective shart-fit, we start running big V8's again, ME starves and go back to living in tents like they used to and eating their camels to survive.
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I see no downside here.

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Oil, or its perceived scarcity,is the fuel for radical Islam.

Oil is not scarce. It is primordial, being the product of bacterial digestion of methane diffusing out of the bulk Earth since Day Zero, 4485 million years ago.
Oil is found everywhere there are geological features to trap it from diffusing out.

Wanna stop Islam?

Drill,drill,drill. Frack till you're fracker's sore.
Cut their veins by making oil as cheap as water.

Kill the beast by taking away its food and starving it out.

and once again I can run a 440 c.i. V8, at 38 cents a gallon for good 'Murkan gazzoline.
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Fast big iron is the main thing that makes life in America tolerable.

E:
Day Zero was the final collision that formed the Moon and gave Earth its oversized superheated iron core and magnetic field.

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A Stupid Baby posted:

please do not "tell jokes" in gbs this is not the place

WhatWhatWhat?!!?
Yes it is you nosack, this is a humour(or "humor") site.

poo poo, what a schmunk.

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We need to get these guys into the sweet,sweet, bacony goodness.

"Once you taste Pork, you never go bork"

Maybe that's why they ban it , it's so good it's sinful.

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wilfredmerriweathr posted:

yeah uh, im not so sure that's how earth got its molten core

To digress from the thread, a world called Theia formed in Earth's leading Trojan point. It was Mars-sized.
It collided due to orbital instability as a slowish (~1500 mph) glancing blow. Its iron core merged with Earth's, the slag formed a dense ring, forming 2-5 moons, which eventually coalesced into Luna, the moon we have today. It also spun up Earth to a 5 hour day, the angular momentum of which drove Luna out from an initial 30,000 miles to 238,00 miles today.
Christ, imagine the surf, the tides, in those early days. Hundreds of meters high.
Onto red-hot shores.
We live on a double planet, one of two around Sol. the other is Pluto/Chiron.

There is also a trailing Trojan point. There are (weak)theories that the world formed there eventually came to be Mars.

So Earth has a much larger and hotter core than would result from ordinary accretion- which is good- IT GIVES US PLATE TECTONICS AND DRY LAND.

poo poo. Sorry, you got me lecturing- a reflex I try to suppress.

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VectorSigma posted:

i used t o like zz top but not anymore

Didn't one of the ZZ Top guys die in a tragic beard fire?

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EXTREME INSERTION posted:

Ok, replace 100 years war with 30 years war

Everything happens faster in the future.
I give it five years, balls out, no restraint.

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cthulusnewzulubbq posted:

pretty sure zimboe is legit mentally ill
I have been made abundantly aware that I am not norbal.

Creative people go insane in creative ways.
...

Ref. Salvador Dali, Lady Gagga, Michael Jackson, et. al. ad infinitum

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Tumble posted:



Humanity is a loving meat grinder.

This was Darwin's main point.
Adapt or die.

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Furious Mittens posted:

Send me to the camps, comrade.

What, no more Freedom Fries? Oh, please.
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Now they're gonna be Valiant Resistance To Terrorism Fries.

Wait and see if I'm wrong.

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Molentik posted:

Have Americans renamed fries to FREEDOM FRIES yet, albeit for a different reason then last time?

VRTT Fries.

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The political blowback from this carnage will be more interesting than the tragedy itself.
The news presently will become interesting, and I don't mean in a good way.

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EXTREME INSERTION posted:

Eh just send then rest of the refugees to Baltimore . 300 people have died so far this year here and nobody seems to care

Now that you mention it, 'Murka grinds up as much people in a month in any large city than this tragedy in France.
Something is quite wrong here.

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:here is your explanation for all this:

People are crazy. People like crazy. Man as a whole tends to crazy, 'cuz it's more fun than watching television.
Teenagers like crazy.
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Let's face it, when you were a teenager and somebody handed you an AK , you'd go apeshit.
Every kid likes things that go BANG.

They're bored. Give 'em MTV, Netflix, let them enjoy the sedative decadence that the rest of this planet enjoys.

Sedate them with our opiate decadence. It is our best weapon.

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Furious Mittens posted:

President Le Pen. You heard it here first.

Yah, this is part of the blowback I mentioned.

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MeLKoR posted:

In an overcompensation for 14 years ago americans rename "hamburgers" to "parisians".

So in France I gotta order a Parisan with Cheese now?
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Screw the Metric system.

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I have worked with Muslim persons on many jobs.
They are perfectly civil persons with no malice at all to other people.
And the particular family I speak of produces the most beuatiful girls.
I wish I had a photo of little Arian, so drop-dead gorgeous.
I watched her turn from a little toddler to the most smokey-eyed enchantress you could imagine.
She'll find a good man, you betcha.

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If you glass the entire Middle East you are gonna kill mostly people just tryin' to put food on the family.
This is every bit as bad as the Nazzies killing all the Jews.
Do not descend to that evil.
There will be blowback.
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Dammmit.

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Look, you lot.

There are eight thousand million people on earth now. this is too many.

Some of these people are civil, well educated and kindly persons.
Others are ignorant, meme-damaged feral monsters that can't be salvaged by any known means.
So here's the news, SJW, in plain english:

WHEN GOOD PEOPLE DIE, IT IS A BAD THING.
WHEN BAD PEOPLE DIE, IT IS A GOOD THING.
TATOO THIS ON YOUR GOD-DAMNED ARM SO YOU DON'T EVER FORGET IT YOU CULLS

Sorry. Pardon my mini-rant- 'cus vodka.
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I can't think of any clearer way to state the conundrum facing the Twenty-First century.

There will be, at some point in the future, a Great Dying.
It may be catastrophic, or it may be gradual. It may take many forms, or many years, or in a single deadly night... No one knows.

So who do YOU think should die?

Them or Us. It's that simple.
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Gonna go watch Fury Road again.

E: Mad Max too. With the original 'Strine soundtrack.

THE TOECUTTER RULES

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