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If you're a small hall person, there's no reason to vote for a relief pitcher. It's just guys who weren't good enough to be elite starters. Mussina was a far better pitcher than Hoffman.
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http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/6479266/v31171003/david-eckstein-parks-and-rec-attorney What more do you need to know?
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I think I left Sheffield off mine so please add him if so.
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angrygodofjebus posted:I also specifically did not vote for Schilling for non-baseball reasons so we should have this covered. I did this, too. I am of the opinion that his historic post-season success should be a point in his favor, though. Some people don't think it should be since it's not during the regular season. He probably should be in the hall of fame but gently caress that guy. The same goes for Pete Rose (let's not debate Pete Rose).
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Sometimes I think I'll come around on Edmonds but then I remember he spent most of his career as an Angel and Cardinal 
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I would make the case that definitely K-Rod and probably Joe Nathan will belong in the Hall of Fame after their career ends if Hoffman does. They both have career ERA+ much higher than Hoffman and K-Rod will probably pass Hoffman's career innings pitched. Nathan probably won't make it to 1000 innings pitched as a reliever but he's got like 750 and his ERA+ is brought down by 100+ innings of poor starts. Neither one will retire with nearly the number of saves that Hoffman has but they will approach or pass his career innings pitched and should finish with ERA+ above his, barring collapse over a large number of innings.
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3DHouseofBeef posted:If you are going to put Sosa in, I feel that it has to be for narrative/Big Hall reasons at this point. Fred McGriff was a better hitter overall, but he doesn't generate remotely the buzz. And I dont know if Sosa's running/glove covers the value gap from good to great even if it might put him ahead of guys like McGriff. His peak was insane and he has some of the traditional numbers that make a good case for a big hall guy.
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Rand alPaul posted:Anyone that doesn't vote for Alan Trammell is a bad voter. The fact that real voters keep crying about PEDs but not voting him in is shameful.
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Dec 30, 2015 14:17
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Lumpy posted:Everyone who didn't fill in the form is a Pete Rose protest ballot. So that's like 7.2 billion. I think my dad's ballot would be Lee Smith and then all the other votes for "Screw Pete Rose" if that helps.
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Dec 31, 2015 14:39
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80 WAR through age 38, including a >3 WAR year at that age and 45 WAR between 30-38, is a pretty good case for the HoF.
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IcePhoenix posted:Yeah, sure, why not. Outside of Shoeless Joe and Rose who else was banned? Mays and Mantle worked for AC Hotel/Casinos. They left their jobs working with MLB teams to do it. AC didn't have a sportsbook at the time and they weren't allowed to bet in the casinos because they were employees. It was kind of just Kuhn being a dick.
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I'll vote for Edmonds next time. I feel dumb for holding whatever weird grudge I have been against him but I think it is the fact that HoF writers seem to lump him in with the whisper campaign against Bagwell that has really changed my mind.
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