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Phrosphor posted:The plot is pretty nonsensical which is a shame after one which maybe didn't have the strongest story but it had fantastic atmosphere. Two descends into this muddy water of Cataclysm had an awesome story too. It's why HW2's lovely story was so disappointing.
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I wasn't really too interested in this game when it first popped up but then I watched those dev commentary videos and took a direct hit to the nostalgia. Probably helps that I'm currently on an RTS kick right now too.SabinBlitz posted:Looking at the video, you can see the shots hitting the ground. I assumed it was just LoS issues. I take it was just the units "dice" rolling misses? Mordja posted:From what I understand, line of fire is definitely central to the game and is dynamically affected by terrain, but units just won't shoot at all if they're blocked. Any shots hitting a slope or otherwise going off mark is calculated through a dice roll. No idea what effect different ranges have on % chance to hit, though.
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Ghost of Babyhead posted:Get Peter Watts to write it like he did for the original abortive project and we'll be guaranteed to get something weird. Yeah Watts old Dust Wars script is cool as hell.
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Deakul posted:Homeworld 2 was a great platform for modding and it was very pretty, that's about all I can praise it for. It was the beginning of Relics slow sad slide into putting out utter trash. I don't even know how they continue to exist post-THQ, SEGA must be losing money hand over fist to keep the lights on.
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Oh Rime.  I'm excited as hell about the prospects of more singleplayer campaign-focused RTS games. It's such a shame that Legacy of the Void is the only thing in recent memory with a decent campaign.
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Rime posted:It was the beginning of Relics slow sad slide into putting out utter trash. I don't even know how they continue to exist post-THQ, SEGA must be losing money hand over fist to keep the lights on. 
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Jan 18, 2016 13:09
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It's like that was ten years ago or something! Everyone with talent fleeing the corpse of Relic means we got this game, though, so hopefully it turns out to be awesome. 
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quote:It pooped on the story, the gameplay felt really dumbed down, and it just didn't feel like it had the love put into it that HW1 did. Having your work get scrapped at the last minute tends to do that.
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I do not remember this war at all from the manual, I thought finding the ship ended most wars? Also Kharak was not really dying so much as it was a harsh place to live. Especially considering how long it takes them to build the Mothership.
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Jan 18, 2016 14:42
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Kharak's gradual desertification was mentioned in the original lore.
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RBA Starblade posted:Having your work get scrapped at the last minute tends to do that.
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Rime posted:It's like that was ten years ago or something! Everyone with talent fleeing the corpse of Relic means we got this game, though, so hopefully it turns out to be awesome. Come on now, let's not act like Relic's games were ever balanced before or after COH. Part of the charm of Relic is breaking the game over your knee and finding the most ridiculous ways to fight in their insanely unbalanced scrums. Whether it's salvage corvettes or Kasrkin spamming, I prefer the unbalanced madness to the rock paper scissors approach of Blizzard.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:Kharak's gradual desertification was mentioned in the original lore. Planet's dyin' Karan quote:Whether it's salvage corvettes or Kasrkin spamming, I prefer the unbalanced madness to the rock paper scissors approach of Blizzard. I hope we get salvage sandcorvettes again, I want to steal everything not nailed down.
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I always liked HW2 more than 1, but that might be because I played 2 first  An RTS by the original CoH team might just be the best new thing since..well CoH.
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evilmiera posted:Also Kharak was not really dying so much as it was a harsh place to live. Especially considering how long it takes them to build the Mothership. They make it very clear in HW1 that Kharak is on an irreversible path to being uninhabitable???
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On top of desertification, it took nearly every natural resource they had to make the Mothership and Scaffold, to the point that they didn't have room for test runs of things and everybody staying behind on Kharak was basically taking one for the team one way or another. The idea was that it would return back to Kharak after things got set up on Hiigara for another set of colonists. The giant banana was basically their only shot to continue to exist. Kharak was a nearly dead world.
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RBA Starblade posted:Having your work get scrapped at the last minute tends to do that. Obviously, I alluded to that fact. Rime posted:It was the beginning of Relics slow sad slide into putting out utter trash. I don't even know how they continue to exist post-THQ, SEGA must be losing money hand over fist to keep the lights on. Dawn of War 1 and 2 and their expansions? Company of Heroes and its expansions? I'd say their only really egregious entry of late is COH2 and its never ending stream of DLC. Xoidanor posted:Oh Rime. Eh, I'd say it was Blizzard's worst campaign to date, they definitely ran out of ideas after HotS and WoL since it was mostly defense missions. And writing wise, no way, it's total dog poo poo. I'd say Grey Goo was one of the better all around RTS campaigns I've played recently, it was a bit uneven but it felt fresh in its presentation and it featured a mostly compelling story!
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Deakul posted:Eh, I'd say it was Blizzard's worst campaign to date, they definitely ran out of ideas after HotS and WoL since it was mostly defense missions. I played it and HotS back to back last month on brutal and I found them quite fun.  Writing wise it was as always, god awful. 
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We just posted this multiplayer sneak peak video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf3zx_P2vHo Will have more multiplayer info out later today.
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Xoidanor posted:I played it and HotS back to back last month on brutal and I found them quite fun. It's like Blizzard's writing staff took a load of stupid pills immediately after finishing Brood War, because everything they've written after that has been terrible. That includes Warcraft 3.
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EgonSpengler posted:We just posted this multiplayer sneak peak video: This looks solid. Here's hoping the netcode is good and that the game attracts a sizable playerbase.
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Deakul posted:Obviously, I alluded to that fact. Company of heroes online must of sucked some money up and was bizzarely dumped before it got out of beta EgonSpengler posted:We just posted this multiplayer sneak peak video: Watched this. Looks good! hemale in pain fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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Tales of War (or whatever the mini-DLC for CoH was called) was probably the first burp of trouble, but then Relic recovered brilliantly with DoW 2 and the expansion. DoW2 Retribution was just plain lazy (and would have been plain bad if it wasn't for finally ditching GFWL and having Last Stand) and CoH 2 was awful. Then THQ blew up. Some people might say Soulstorm was the first sign, but Relic didn't make that (THQ forced Iron Lore to kill themselves on it cause Relic didn't want to any DoW 1 anymore).
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hemale in pain posted:Company of heroes online must of sucked some money up and was bizzarely dumped before it got out of beta Possibly because it was the most unbelievable pay to win ever. "Hmm, I will start the game with this jeep that can call in free artillary strikes. That seems fair" The multiplayer video looked great. Keen to see/read more.
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Node posted:I hope this is successful so we see a revival of the franchise. Maybe a Homeworld prequel, when the Hiigaran Empire was at its height. Although we already know it has a sad ending. Playing as a young, noble, Taidanii against the corrupt Hiigarans would be fun. Especially knowing how reversed everything gets 
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hemale in pain posted:Company of heroes online must of sucked some money up and was bizzarely dumped before it got out of beta I'm guessing there were also server rental issues, because it came in the last couple of years of Relic also hosting stuff on 'their' servers, so I guess they would have had to either renegotiate the pre-existing deal or build a whole new server architecture if they wanted it to be big.
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Arcsquad12 posted:It's like Blizzard's writing staff took a load of stupid pills immediately after finishing Brood War, because everything they've written after that has been terrible. That includes Warcraft 3. What in the world... Warcraft 3 was pretty brilliant, it was the first sign of them reusing their now insanely common tropes but at the time I think it worked really well for the games. I really loved Arthas' fall.
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jBrereton posted:vCoH played better and I don't think they had a very good strategy in place to make money from it. I liked it and played it quite a bit because there was just more of a playerbase at the time and I'm a total sucker for 'leveling up' and RPG stuff like that. I also never liked the new factions the expansions added and CoH online was just germans vs americans. Phrosphor posted:Possibly because it was the most unbelievable pay to win ever. Yea.. it was incredibly blatent.
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Atarask posted:Playing as a young, noble, Taidanii against the corrupt Hiigarans would be fun. Especially knowing how reversed everything gets If we must have a prequel, I'd love one that followed the Khar-Toba and was the story of the exile. I'd rather they continue the story past Homeworld 2 though.
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Mordja posted:I actually think they could take that somewhere interesting if they focus on the fact that she's, well, a scientist, and her people have a very real history of violent religious extremism. Being a godhead has its benefits and all, but that's gotta cause some concern to a woman of reason, especially if her followers start thinking that it's very important that the rest of the galaxy hear the good word of Sajuuk and we do have all of these warships lying around... Rookersh posted:ee: Also your last name in Kushan society is your Kiith. So Rachel S'jet is named Rachel S'jet likely because it's her clan, not because she's actually Karen's great great grandmother. Guess I just don't have much faith in any videogame writers right now. loving Blizzard.....
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I'm not a particularly good RTS player, but HDoK looks fantastic, you can zoom in on the units and the in game images look like they could be placed on the cover of a 70's sci-if paperback and blend in on a shelf of classic covers from Chris Foss and Peter Elson. Hope to have some videos about the game later this week.
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Rime posted:It's like that was ten years ago or something! Everyone with talent fleeing the corpse of Relic means we got this game, though, so hopefully it turns out to be awesome. There's also this series called Dawn of War that was pretty popular.
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DatonKallandor posted:DoW2 Retribution was just plain lazy (and would have been plain bad if it wasn't for finally ditching GFWL and having Last Stand) and CoH 2 was awful. Then THQ blew up. No game that features the Orks on a quest to steal the greatest hat in the subsector can ever be considered bad. Plus, Retribution had the best multiplayer (especially with elite mod).
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hemale in pain posted:Company of heroes online must of sucked some money up and was bizzarely dumped before it got out of beta I actually thought it was a desperate cash grab and they figured it wasn't going to go gangbusters after they revamped the P2W for CoHO. The army buff system they brought over to CoH2 was hideously overpowered in the beta and at launch before the balance team made them largely unnoticeable. The mishmash of useless doctrines is another aspect that felt like it was from the THQ days. The biggest problem with CoH2 is that it's not optimised very well. The balance may always be all over the place in relic games but CoH2 runs terrible for something that doesn't look much better than CoH1 (the CoH1 aesthetic is better despite its age). I'm cautiously optimistic about DoK if only because there hasn't been a good RTS in a while. Act of Aggression and Grey Goo didn't grab me with their previews but I know people who got burned hoping for lively MP. 
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So I've been putting out some videos about very basic background and trailer commentary/frame-by-frame picking out of stuff. I haven't done a video on the "Transmission" trailer yet, but I do have three videos up so far. They cover the Announcement trailer, the "Primary Anomaly" trailer, and finally a video with SabinBlitz and I talking about some gameplay from Gamespot's channel. The "Primary Anomaly" video has some pretty grotesque lore and pronunciation errors. Please don't watch it. Or do, and laugh at it. I know I do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVT3aj1PcbI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBJPjwuKk30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-K2GSyhNJU I plan on putting up another video tonight with an "official" channel launch and streaming plans for Wednesday. I'm also going to try to squeeze in an analysis/overview of the "Transmission" trailer tomorrow night, but work might turn out to be loving nuts, so we'll see. Also these are my first videos even remotely of this scale, so I'm basically a full-on amateur at this stuff. Please feel free to offer criticism. Regardless I'm absolutely enamoured with this game. I can't wait for release.
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EgonSpengler posted:We just posted this multiplayer sneak peak video: From the video it appeared that resource costs were deducted up front instead of gradually over time Is that a change that made it to the final version? I much prefer the latter because It frees me from having to focus on production constantly and I never have to wait for resources before I can queue things up.
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Phrosphor posted:Possibly because it was the most unbelievable pay to win ever.  Arcsquad12 posted:Relic also dropped the ball by taking the hollywood route with Company of Heroes 2's portrayal of the Russians. The first game is based on fairly well documented airborne actions, but the second game is full on Enemy At the Gates fabricated bullshit.
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