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twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Wouldn't Marg already be a member of the faith? I mean, I'm pretty sure the Reach is one of the areas dominated by the Andals. I guess they mean confirms her obedience to the faith and to obey the High Septon direct orders.

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twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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The stabbers's plan doesn't make sense because they aren't acting rationally. They are not thinking things through beyond "we gotta kill this guy". Almost all assassinations of leaders are like that; the people will instantly realize they're better off and change, rather than the people behind the assassination being instantly hated.

I figure they replaced the Bloodraven actor because they wanted the part to be more important so getting a better known actor like Von Sydow would suit them.

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Nov 21, 2003

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Solice Kirsk posted:

I'm just super looking forward to the Tarly's taking shits on Sam the entire season and him to finally stand up to them in the penultimate episode. Its the ultimate in TV show writing.

Considering show Sam has way more backbone than book Sam, I doubt it will take that long for him to stand up to his father.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Varys killing Kevan can still happen as he could return to Kings Landing to pave the way for Dany to return.

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Nov 21, 2003

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Man, I would hope they'd get Jason Issac's to play Areys IV in flashbacks, he can just make him up like he is at the end of Deathly Hallows. They are having flashbacks this season, that isn't just speculation right?

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Nov 21, 2003

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lifts cats over head posted:

Maybe he's speaking like a drug dealer and he knows that Bran is going to get so high on that Jojen paste!

There's a reason they're called Greenseeers yo :420:
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Elliptical Dick posted:

I'm rereading ADWD at the moment and this is spot on. Bran talks about Hodor going away and retreating into his own mind like an abused dog cowering from his owner that beats him. It's legitimately creepy and foreshadows bad stuff to come from Bran I think.

I feel like Bran's story is going to mirror Arya's in that he gets what he thinks he wants, but when he finds out the cost, he rejects it. Bloodraven was not a good person before becoming Groot's lifeparter, and I doubt he uses his powers for anything resembling altruistic things. Bran has been shown to have a strong moral center, and I doubt Bloodraven's "for the greater good we have to do these evil things" will turn him.

Who honestly thinks Arya is going to truly become a Faceless Man?

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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WampaLord posted:

I think Arya has a shitload more botted-up rage and much less of a moral center than Bran. I think the only thing that would turn her off being a Faceless Man is being told "Hey, you can't just go and kill all those people you want to kill, we take contracts."

There's also the whole thing about her not being Arya Stark anymore, which is something that has been explicitly shown with her refusal to get rid of needle. There will be a point where she has to give it up and she'll refuse, causing the break between the House of Black and White and her. She will take the skills she has learned and return to Westeros and wade waste deep in blood.

Though I think that the next major stage in the story will be everyone who's been scattered to start returning to Westeros.

Hahahahahah, like that will ever happen.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Brienne's journey in Feast is one of my favorite storylines. There I said it.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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I can see some stuff that has happened in the show happening, but in different ways. Stannis dies, but not after having his army smashed my Ramsey for example.

It's kind of like Scott Pilgrim, as O'Malley was writing the last volume as the movie was being made. Both have Scott ending up with Ramona, but the way they got there is way different.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Shireen is going to live in the books. At least until the others kill everyone.

Ugh such a waste, Shireen was the best child actor on the show.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Stannis could always die but still win the battle. Or killed after the battle by someone. I can't remember if Davos is with him in the books, but I could see Stannis taking a mortal wound (arrow through the eye to get some classic Kingly death in here) and giving command over to Davos who wins the battle.

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Nov 21, 2003

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computer parts posted:

Davos was off to find Rickon, Theon & Asha are there though.

Oh right, I can't believe I forgot that. Well then never mind. Unless something happens and he gives the army to Asha or something.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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TommyGun85 posted:

best thing to do is just play around with it and not worry about the results until you get the hang of it. The nice thing is that you can never truly screw up your game enough that you get a game over.

Yea, I just give myself millions of gold and play from there. I am terrible at managing economies in Paradox games so that's really the only way I can play. Thing is, it doesn't make things any easier. Roberts Rebellion you have so many troops coming from the north, and playing at the Lannisters or Tyrells you can't hope to match their numbers, which I find odd. Similar thing happens during the War of 5 kings. Though the worst scenario is trying to play the Aegon campaign because for some reason it forces you to go to war with the various kingdoms, so you end up being at war with all 7 kingdoms and all you have is a tiny army. Now you're supposed to use the Dragons, but the problem with that is the Dragons can only be used if the Targ is the commander of the army, and they do not have the highest leadership so they aren't made general. It's silly and poorly designed, but the War of 5 kings is a lot of fun despite the massive number disparity. I remember playing the Lannisters, defeating the north and Stannis. Sending Stannis off to the Wall, marrying Joffrey to Shireen, but then Shireen was having an affair with Tyrion, which caused them both to be executed by Joff, who was then killed in some random event. Sansa and Tommen were married, and they had a zillion kids. I managed to marry Tywin to someone, and they had a kid called Stannis Lannister (haha) who managed to live long enough to have another son before dying in a tourney.

Suddenly the Watch invades Kings Landing and Stannis executes everyone there and now the Knights Watch were in control of the Crownlands. It was a really bizarre game. Not as weird as the one as the Tyrells were Arya and Garland Tyrell married and proceeded to have a son that I managed to end up absorbing the Westerlands into The Reach by making him the heir to both, and not recognizing the claims of others for the lands.

Oh and the dumb thing about CK2 is the thing where your vassals get pissy their armies are in the field for more than a month. There's a war on, I need your guys, sorry you miss them so much.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Ugh, I'm hating all the "Sansa is pregnant!" theories from that image. Do people not know how the layers of clothing appear or what a pregnant womans stomach looks like?

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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KRILLIN IN THE NAME posted:

this somehow ended up in my twitter stream earlier today



The Conan George RR Martin procrastinating videos are hilarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lle4t4o8EDk

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Harold Stassen posted:

lol at the end- "You may now return to your pirated movies and creepy Japanese pornography"

Conan knows his audience.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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A fuckton of people. Some are worth a ton of money. A Renly one is worth like $100, and that's on the low end of rare ones.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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I like her attempting to smile.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Honestly, that's what I figure was going to happen since DWD. Without Mel prodding him to become king, his better nature takes over and goes "I can never be king, but at least I can save the life of my men and do a duty that must be done".

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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I really want to see Jorah and Daario out looking for Dani.

The shot of Bran and the NIghts King, I feel like we're going to get some exposition there. Also, the scene of Mel breaking down and admitting how she hosed up looks like it might lead to something interesting.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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You know what I didn't see in the trailer at all? Bad Pussy.

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Nov 21, 2003

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Lycus posted:

Do you want it, or do you need it?

The lack of any hints of Sand Snakes is just a plus.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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The books time scale seems to be like a few months, maybe 2 years, while the show seems to be happening, if not real time, a lot longer. Sansa is explicitly mentioned to have been a prisoner in Kings Landing for years. So its reasonable to think that maybe kids have gotten older, taller and spottier.

The Umbars are kind of interesting. They hate the Wildlings, but they were both extremely devout to the North and the Starks, and I can see them not being too happy to live under the Bolton heel. I could see Zombie Jon Stark being all "the Wildings raider because they had to, the Boltons brutalize you because they want to".

I'm thinking Arya's story is going to go off in a new direction by the middle of the season. It won't be too compelling to have her be a blind begger for 10 episodes. She'll have the falling out with the House of Black and White, and possible either return to Westeros or go to Dany.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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I have not been keeping up with info on season 6 but holy poo poo that second trailer as soon as I saw the screen shot of the Targ soldier seriously implying there will be a substantive flashback.

I'm sure its been discussed to death, but is that Mel in Mereen? Also Arya going all Daredevil with Stick training.

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Nov 21, 2003

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Lloyd Boner posted:

She's a different red priestess.

Ah okay. She really looks like Mel, so it's easy to get confused based on the quick clip. Though it looks like they're doing what I assumed and use Bran to get the flashbacks.

Though who are the soldiers that are at the steps to Baelor's sept? Their leader is wearing blue and white feathers, but the only house that has those colours is Arryn and I doubt they'd be going with Jaime to assume to challange the High Sparrow.

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Nov 21, 2003

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counterfeitsaint posted:

I thought the one with the really stupid hat was Mace Tyrell, who has a very good reason to be there.

Okay, that makes complete sense. Though isn't the house colours for Tyrell Green and Gold? Odd he's wearing Arryn colours. There's lots of good clues in heraldry, like Davos clearly on Bear Island, and Brianne in Riverrun. Looks like Stark banners among the others fighting Boltons.

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Nov 21, 2003

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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

I'm doing a re watch of Season 1 right now since I haven't seen it since I first watched it a couple years back. I am really confused regarding Vary's motivations. He is overhead by Arya conspiring in the dungeon about how they are waiting for when the time is right for the Targayans to cross the Narrow Sea and return to conquer the 7 kingdoms. But in that same episode Varys tries to have Dani assassinated. And considering in Season 5 how Varys openly supports Dani, and makes it clear that he has all along, why the gently caress did he try and have killed? So were the writers at this point planning on eventually introducing fake-Aeagon? Because nothing about Varys in the show makes any sense at all.

He isn't aware that Visreys isn't going to get himself killed, and any assassination attempt on Dany, successful or not, is going to get Drogo to cross the sea.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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I don't think Jaime would have become one of my favorite characters if he had not been as big of a dick at first.

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Nov 21, 2003

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OrthoTrot posted:

The wise, just and compassionate are excluded from rule under feudalism because you can't act that way and resist the machinations of those who don't. That's part of the point of Neds storyline, or Renlys even I guess.

Or there's people like Robb who try to act justly and cause untold misery for the majority of the population. Even just rulers rule by caprice.

Plus the justice they serve is to preserve the feudal order. For Robb, or Aragorn for another example, destroying the lives of thousands in their wars is precisely upholding feudal justice. And they aren't wrong.

And one of the themes on ASOIAF is that feudal systems that the power stems purely from the threat of direct violence. Every noble from the smallest lord to the King holds his power because if you don't submit, they'd cut your head off. It doesn't seem like there is any code of laws or any kind of formal legal system or rights. There are traditions for the nobility, but if the King says family X smells funny and that offends him, there's not much to stop him having them all killed.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Maybe they're going to join totally not Jon's forces?

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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I never understood the whole Bran is becoming a bad guy theory. Maybe he will become amoral, as the concerns of humans are no longer important to a greenseer, but people act like he's straight up going to command the Other's to kill everyone or something like that.

I could certainly see he told that he needs to sacrifice someone he cares about to gain his true power, and chooses Hodor.

Though I really like the idea that Davos is done with kings, becuase he can at best feel betrayed by the man who he served so selflessly.

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Nov 21, 2003

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In It For The Tank posted:

I don't think many people (or anyone really) think Bran is going to command the Others to kill the human race but he is certainly on a dark path and I've often joked that his is a supervillain origin's story in order to capture how hosed up everything in the far North is. I believe that Bloodraven (Mr. "the ends justify the means") and the Children are not as altruistic and humanitarian as they seem at first glance and that, while they can broadly be categorized as against the Others, they do not have humanity's best interests at heart and/or are not above paying any price for the "greater good". There's just too much body horror, complex moral questions, overt themes of sacrifice, dark magic, and Celtic influence in Bran's storyline for his destiny to be anything but tragic.


Bran will be instrumental in stopping the Others and sealing them away, at the cost of his own freedom/life/soul/something, a la his namesake. The story will end with a Bran POV, that's for sure.

Oh yea, goons generally are pretty level headed and don't take while leaps of logic for the most part. There's a reason the only place I discuss ASOIAF online is this thread, because people seriously believe that The Children and Bloodraven are straight up controlling the Others and all the attacks on their group is part of some crazy nth dimensional chess to get Bran to completely side with them. Why? Oh lots of weird evidence that is read into the show and books. These same people say that Arya is really a children of the forest because Bran makes passing mention that one of them reminds him of her. That's not because Bran doesn't really have a lot of frames of reference for young girls.

It is obvious that Bloodraven has his own plans, he is someone who would be not above manipulating events in his favor. I mean, he could of known that sit would go sideways, and he needed to break down the authority of the Iron Throne in order to face the Others properly, because he has seen that Dany needs to return and have certain people in certain places, so he influences people like Ned. Though that kind of falls apart because there are few Weirwoods in the south and so he could not influence Tywin, Joff or Robert in any serious ways.

You know that heartbreaking revelation may involve that shot of Meera looking up and being shocked. Maybe she looks up and sees Hordor being consumed by the trees.

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Nov 21, 2003

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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

How is the show going to work around all the warging poo poo since only Bran has been shown being able to do it?

They won't, because having warging an answer for everything is stupid.

Arya and Jon never once Warg on purposes, It's always involuntary and through dreams. They never once do it deliberately and suggesting that Jon somehow decided to do it without any previous knowlage of it even being a power he possesses is just silly.

As for who the Others are, I have always assumed they are another non or near human race like the Children or the Ibbanese or any of the semi canon races that show up in the World of Ice and Fire book. If I was to wildly speculate, the others a race that is tied to the elements of cold and ice, winter and death, the same way as the Children are tied to nature and spring, life and creation. Long before the First Men showed up, the Others were driven back, to the furthest reaches of the world. When the Long Night Happened, that put The First Men on their shitlist because they joined with the Children to drive the Others back again. Or it could be as easy as the Others hate all life that isn't theirs.

Thing is, it seems like Westeros is the only part of the world that is threatened by the Others. The Free Cities, Cities of Slavers Bay or old Ghis don't seem to really care, only worrying about Dothraki hoards. Though Azor Ashai's legend seems to imply that he fought the Others in some form. And again if you take into account whats in WOSOIAF you can see that there are defenses against something in the north out there such as the three forts.

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Nov 21, 2003

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Love Crime posted:

You've got it wrong. The Long Night is the first recorded instance of the Others existing and it was the First Men + Children fighting them and they were getting their asses kicked until they figured out dragonglass hurt them.

First recorded instance of the Others by man. The Children could have dealt with them previously, and we are told that they left not written records or anything.

I'd love to see Dunk and Egg as a short series.

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Nov 21, 2003

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Love Crime posted:

Well yes, they could have, but while we're randomly making poo poo up there's just as much a possibility of the Others having been fought back by the unicorns on Skagos.

Well, yes, I said "wildly speculate" which means I was just pulling poo poo out of my rear end. Just because its not contradicted by the books, doesn't mean its true.

This is pretty hilarious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH4HYVhw0mk
The best is the reaction to Jaime's butt.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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I think Sansa isn't going to forgive Littlefinger for abandoning her to Ramsey's tender mercies. I'd like someone, just once to not believe his lies, and Sansa would be a great contender for that.

And isn't the weakness of the ruling houses lines one of the aspects of the failing feudal system (if you can call Westeros that, its more a series of warlords who rule purely on threat of violence) of the Iron Throne?

There is mentions that there is a second branch of the Lannisters, but only the Lannisters of the Rock matter.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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There's really only 2 mentioned client houses, the Karstarks and the Blackfyres, and the latter is pretty much extinct at this point. That reminds me, what happened to Dark Sister, Aegon the Conqurer's sword? It just seems to vanish at some point.

Like Supervillain Bran, I don't get why people are still thinking Arya is going to kill Sansa. There's zero story reason for it, unless for some reason you think Arya is going to complete her Faceless Man training, which is pretty much impossible. If anything, a reunion between the two would be positive, for as far as Sansa knows, she is the last remaining Stark.

Would Tywin's sisters kids have any claim to The Rock? I really liked her and I'm sure she would have knocked out any Frey in them. Unless Cleos was their only kid.

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computer parts posted:

Rumors are Bloodraven took it with him and it might be Jon's sword.

I never thought of that, though would Bloodraven have given it to the Mormonts?

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Nov 21, 2003

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ElmerTheWasabi posted:

Also, Dark Sister was actually Visenya's sword.

Aegon's sword was Blackfyre, which theoretically could still be held by the Golden Company who is rolling with fAegon.

Oh you're right, and considering I literally mentioned the Blackfyres in the same post, I should have remembered it. Actually, having Aegon I's sword would lend serious credibility to fAegon claim.

That reminds me, the cold opening where Tywin is watching them melt down Ice is one of my favorite scenes in the series. It's wordless, but you can tell how Tywin is just thinking "I have completely defeated the Starks, my line's ascension to the throne is complete. I have won". And then he takes an bolt to the stomach on the toilet.

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Nov 21, 2003

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Ashcans posted:

Yea, those are cadet branches, just like House Royce of the Moon Gate is a cadet of Royce of Runestone. There are actually a bunch of cadet branches of various houses, but most of them don't matter at all. We actually get to see one made when Jaime takes a bunch of land from the Tully's and gives it to the Freys, creating the Freys of Riverrun.

I like to think the Freys of Riverrun are not long for this world.

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