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Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Leo went into an interview and was asked about abortion. He then whined and said abortion wasn't "health or politics"

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2016/more-hospital-beds-can-slow-down-staff-claims-minister-leo-varadkar-34430062.html

Apologies for Indo link but it is a good read.

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Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Brits out!

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Counterpoint: they are LITERALLY fascists.

If people are actually going to go "oh poor fascists people don't like them :(" the issue is with the people who defend the fascists, not with the protestors.

There is also the point that if there was not any violence these, again literal, fascists would just be ignored and allow to grow like the cancer they are. The spotlight is on them now and they have to defend themselves now. An argument of "We were just being peaceful" does not hold up to scrutiny. It doesn't matter how peaceful they are because at the end of the day they are loving fascists.

Skull Servant fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Feb 7, 2016

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

I hate to be that guy but I cannot support anyone but SF or AAA this election. Labour are as good as dead, FG and FF are bastards.

I'll lay my bias out front: Gerry Adams is my TD and when it comes to grassroots stuff he is involved in the community.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Coohoolin posted:

All I have to go on is his twitter and his media appearances but Gerry Adams seems like a genuinely decent guy, I'd vote for him if I lived in his constituency.

I personally have never met him but he's the only politician before the Marriage Ref to be involved in the local LGBT group and that goes a long way with me.

I have personally met some other TDs and MEPs who come in to "get perspective" and none of them apart from Gerry have been educated on LGBT issues so they basically come and have us explain to them what a gay person actually is.

Of course when the Marriage Ref hit they were all nice and smiles and interested of course.

EDIT: As good as I find him he is still my second choice behind AAA.

EDIT2: My posts about who I vote for are worthless because I'm living abroad until May and can't vote. I was home at Christmas and there is no chance of me having the money to get home to vote.

Skull Servant fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Feb 8, 2016

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Why? The water charges are universally disliked by the people. It's a great way to get people to pay attention to their message.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

lemonadesweetheart posted:

Like I said, water charges are largely inconsequential when taken in the context of them bolloxing up the economy, bailing out the banks etc etc etc. I see it largely as a distraction that panders to a lowest common denominator with no real consequence whether it's removed or not.

I do agree that the left could be pushing harder on other issues. I also believe that it is a teflon talking point though. The other parties and the media can and will hit them for fiscal irresponsibility if they point out the more shaky notes of the banks, ect. People don't like the bailouts but it is easier for FF/FG to say "We had to otherwise X, Y. and Z" The water charges hit people everywhere and it becomes a very personal issue. These excuses don't work as well then. It also helps that the rollout of Irish Water has been awful.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

kustomkarkommando posted:

Water charges have been a monumental gently caress up but I do think AAA have put too many of their eggs in that basket, hoping to scoop up default protest votes related to the water charges - the problem with that being that a hell of a lot of independents are running on the same platform and I think the Socialists have kind of lagged behind the other parties getting their message out on USC/Property tax.

This is a fair point and I agree with it. Things have been a little too quiet on those fronts but I understand why they may choose to be quiet.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

julian assflange posted:

:pwn: that's just bizarre. My money was on some members of the travelling community as it was a boxing event but I'd never have though the IRA.

Could be a false flag to draw attention to themselves tbh.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009



https://twitter.com/Oireachtas_RX/status/696820962638036992

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

I agree, but only because the Green Party was so apt.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

I hope Renua don't get any seats and piss off. Stupidest poo poo to come out of Irish politics in a long time.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Good Fuckday agreement

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

I read through the whole Renua manifesto and there are so many inconsistencies in it. Their idea for reform in how local governments work is wild.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Badger of Basra posted:

Who do right-wing republicans in Northern Ireland vote for? Do those voters even exist?

DUP/UUP for full accelerationism?

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

StoneOfShame posted:

If you want full-accelerationism, then the DUP/UUP are far too moderate for you, you need the one true unionist party, the TUV.

I didn't know about them before and :stare:

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

What time is the debate on at? I'm probably going to miss it because of work :(

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Bryter posted:

8 (I think)

e: Nope, it's at 9

drat, going to miss it in that case. Guess I'll have to play catch up tomorrow if its hosted somewhere.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

I'm surprised that any leader doesn't know Irish. Less surprised at Burton though because she was ushered in after Gilmore hosed it.

Gerry though? :(

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Should have linked this ages ago

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Which Taoiseach is the LEAST likely to have had someone killed? I know Biffo would have had at least 7 killed tbh.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Spoilers! I haven't seen Michael Collins to the end.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

I was able to watch the debate and jesus, Burton did HORRIFIC. Actually awful. She came across as rude at the worst of it, and just uninformed at the best.

Gerry under-preformed IMO. I did enjoy the little jokes and stuff he put it at least but he could have come across a lot better. Enda and Martin kept bringing up the IRA links at the worst time and what points that they have are starting to turn into crying wolf. They brought it up at the worst times and it detracts from their statement.

I really didn't like the SocDem guy. He just seemed smug, even if he had some good points. His big issue was being Holier-Than-Thou.

Loved the AAA/PBP guy. He was constantly solid as gently caress.

Lucindia continued being awful. She brought up the flat tax at every opportunity as if it's something to be proud of.

Martin and Enda were as bad as each other. Why people vote for Martin, I have no idea. He's a goblin looking fucker.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

I would love nothing more than Martin and Enda losing their seats somehow.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

That image is even more out of touch because One Direction have broken up completely now, haven't they? They are barely even the current teen flavour either. Maybe it would have worked better in 2011. Or maybe Labour aren't sure what to do since their gay marriage poster backfired.

One thing I did just remember about the debate is how Joan Burton of all people was the first and only(?) to refute the idea that the government does not make jobs. Not even AAA, SocDems, or Gerry said anything against that. I was impressed with that at least. I mean, Labour still don't deserve any seats but hey, it's a start.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Coohoolin posted:

Is there a clear reason for such a shift? Is it at all comparable to Labour losing in Scotland because of anti austerity and anti right wing sentiment shifting to a nationalist party?

Labour in Ireland are comparable to the Lib Dems in the UK. Voted in under the pretense of keeping the reigns in on the bigger party, and failed horribly. There was also a shift in leader just over a year ago and Burton is horrible as a public speaker and as a face of the party.

If you want a comparison to UKLabour in Ireland, I'd look at Fianna Fail.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

forkboy84 posted:

Though in fairness, I think UK Labour are a mite less transparently corrupt than Fianna Fail

Fair! But it's more of a comparison than FF-UKLabour

Kurtofan posted:

that's rad :black101:

It's also in our national anthem!

However it is pronounced more like "fall" than "fail"

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Marenghi posted:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2016/watch-mary-lou-mcdonald-confronted-by-incensed-man-on-dublins-grafton-st-34468268.html

Interesting bit of news from the other day. A well dressed man who identifies as a small business owner confronted a Sinn Fein politician on the street. He said they follow a tax policy which punishes people who want to work hard and get on. He also said he was apolitical but would vote Fine Gael.

The media hasn't covered it since but he was outed on Twitter and Facebook as CEO of the Irish branch of Sarasin & Partners, a wealth management firm that manages £13.4 worldwide.

loving hell. I saw this earlier too. loving chancers.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

julian assflange posted:

I'll be interested to see what the turnout is like. A piece in the Irish Times suggested the referendum last year had got a lot of people interested in politics who wouldn't have had an interest before.

The circles I follow from the Marriage Ref are really pushing for people to get out and vote in this GE. No idea if they will actually show, but there is an effort to get the youth voting and at the very least the LGBT to vote.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Who are still a thing?

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

kustomkarkommando posted:

It seems pretty dumb to cut back to only 4 after the 7 way was praised as a generally good show, if its another shouty performance were reaching the stage it might negatively effect the actual results

What is the reason for them cutting it to 4 anyway?

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

It is kinda annoying tbh because all it is doing is dead catting SF.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Coohoolin posted:

Tbf I've been looking for a conversation partner to practice Gaelic pronunciation with and no one seems to speak the drat language anymore. I say bring back mandatory Irish in schools. Please.

Has it been removed? When i was in secondary it was mandatory.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

I do both every day at work. A 60 year old told me my voice was "sexy" this week.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

When are the results expected?

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

How is the turnout looking? I tuned in to RTE earlier and they were saying it was lower than last GE

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

I will be very surprised if turnout is lower. I hope to god its not.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Christ, come on Louth. Do better than that!

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Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

I honestly cannot believe FF preformed as well as they seem to have. Martin is such a disgusting goblin with no substance.

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