Sci-Hub : pirate your science here

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SirEvelynTremble: Dec 25, 2013; FUCK YOU HITLER
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A researcher in Russia has made more than 48 million journal articles - almost every single peer-reviewed paper every published -�freely available online. And she's now�refusing to shut the site down, despite a court injunction and a lawsuit from Elsevier, one of the world's biggest publishers.

For those of you who aren't already using it, the site in question is�Sci-Hub, and it's sort of like a Pirate Bay of the science world. It was established in 2011 by neuroscientist�Alexandra Elbakyan, who was frustrated that she couldn't afford to access the articles needed for her research, and it's since gone viral, with hundreds of thousands of papers being downloaded daily. But at the end of last year, the site was�ordered to be taken down by a New York district court�- a ruling that Elbakyan has decided to fight, triggering a debate over who really owns science.�

"Payment of $32 is just insane when you need to skim or read tens or hundreds of these papers to do research. I obtained these papers by pirating them,"Elbakyan told Torrent Freak last year.�"Everyone should have access to knowledge regardless of their income or affiliation. And that�s absolutely legal."

If it sounds like a modern day Robin Hood struggle, that's because it kinda is. But in this story, it's not just the poor who don't have access to scientific papers - journal subscriptions have become so expensive that leading universities such as�Harvard�and�Cornell�have admitted they can no longer afford them. Researchers have also taken a stand -�with 15,000 scientists�vowing to boycott publisher Elsevier�in part for its excessive paywall fees.

Don't get us wrong, journal publishers have also done a whole lot of good - they've encouraged better research thanks to peer review, and before the Internet, they were crucial to the dissemination of knowledge.

But in recent years, more and more people are beginning to question whether they're still helping the progress of science. In fact, in some cases, the�'publish or perish' mentality�is creating more problems than solutions, with a growing number of predatory publishers now charging researchers to have their work published - often without any proper peer review process�or even editing.

"They feel pressured to do this," Elbakyan�wrote in an open letter to the New York judge last year. "If a researcher wants to be recognised, make a career - he or she needs to have publications in such journals."

That's where Sci-Hub comes into the picture.�The site works in two stages. First of all when you search for a paper, Sci-Hub tries to immediately download it from fellow pirate database�LibGen. If that doesn't work, Sci-Hub is able to bypass journal paywalls thanks to a range of access keys that have been donated by anonymous academics (thank you, science spies).

This means that Sci-Hub can instantly access any paper published by the big guys, including JSTOR, Springer, Sage, and Elsevier, and deliver it to you for free within seconds. The site then automatically sends a copy of that paper to LibGen, to help share the love.��

It's an ingenious system, as Simon Oxenham�explains for Big Think:

"In one fell swoop, a network has been created that likely has a greater level of access to science than any individual university, or even government for that matter, anywhere in the world. Sci-Hub represents the sum of countless different universities' institutional access - literally a world of knowledge."

Sci-Hub here :
http://sci-hub.io/

tl:dr
The main point here is whether science, unlike media, should be available for free (or at least affordable) to everyone.

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:11

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# ? Apr 26, 2024 22:40

Applewhite: Aug 16, 2014; by vyelkin; Nap Ghost

Depends. Research science should, but technology belongs to the inventor.

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:15

VectorSigma: Jan 20, 2004; Transform
and
Freak Out

cool now i can troll antivaxxers and climate deniers even harder

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:15

Bea Nanner: Oct 20, 2003; Je suis excité!

this is pretty cool. what are some good things to search?

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:24

100 HOGS AGREE: Oct 13, 2007; Grimey Drawer

I'm gonna download all the articles on perpetual energy and use them to make a machine that will kick me in the rear end for the rest of my life.

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:24

nomadologique: Mar 9, 2011; DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO

lol

"leading universities such as Harvard... can no longer afford them"

--> "leading universities such as Harvard... do not wish to pay for them"

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:30

nomadologique: Mar 9, 2011; DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO

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Harvard University
Endowment: 37.6 billion USD

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91 Ghana 38.6 billion USD
92 Democratic Republic of the Congo 35.9 billion USD

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:35

chaosbreather: Dec 9, 2001; Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

whats really neat is you can just go to any journal page you're denied access, slap .sci-hub.io just before the / and it goes from there

once again bootleggers deliver superior product

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:35

Spanish Manlove: Aug 31, 2008; HAILGAYSATAN

Bea Nanner posted:

this is pretty cool. what are some good things to search?

http://scholar.google.com.secure.sci-hub.io/scholar?q=ERECTION&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:36

Riot Bimbo: Dec 28, 2006

Applewhite posted:

Depends. Research science should, but technology belongs to the inventor.

Where are you drawing that line and how do you rationalize imposing property rights on ideas when the only way to effectively hoard them at this point is to not share them.

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:37

nomadologique: Mar 9, 2011; DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO

Applewhite posted:

Depends. Research science should, but technology belongs to the inventor.

what about cases where "research science" reveals a new technology?

a friend told me recently about a woman who accidentally isolated a molecular tool for finding and snipping out sections of DNA. it will probably revolutionize cellular biological research and technological innovation. no one knew about this "technology" until this woman discovered and isolated its activity.

you may argue "she doesn't own it because she didn't invent it, just discovered it" but you're already in questionable territory.

there is not a good line between "research" and technological innovation. they interact very closely, and are often part of the same projects. this same friend has spent 2 years inventing a machine to do the research he needs to do. because the machine didn't exist. it's mostly held together by rubber bands, but he built it, and it does what he needs it to do. how does he go about sharing his research, if he needs to keep this machine proprietary? why is the machine proprietary, but the information it produces isn't (within your schema)?

where would technological innovators be without researchers who do research based on or utilizing the previous generation of technological innovations?

presumably a physical principle is "research," and if it is discovered, the discoverer does not own it; but people who invent tools based on that principle own them. but what have they done but apply the principle they didn't invent?

nomadologique fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Feb 26, 2016

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:38

XMNN: Apr 26, 2008; I am incredibly stupid

sick

it was pretty balls not being able to read an article just because it was in the wrong set of journals and those license are really expensive, my university and department were p well funded

do publishers even do anything beyond organising peer review

e; patent and ip law are really boring who gives ashit, there are people paid poo poo loads of mon ey to answer the question of what information you can and cant protect and im not one of them

XMNN fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Feb 26, 2016

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:40

Riot Bimbo: Dec 28, 2006

XMNN posted:

sick

it was pretty balls not being able to read an article just because it was in the wrong set of journals and those license are really expensive, my university and department were p well funded

do publishers even do anything beyond organising peer review

can publishers say they're necessary for that anymore

i think this lady just shot htem in the head.

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:43

nomadologique: Mar 9, 2011; DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO

this lady is gonna be shot in the head by obama's secret police, or she'll have to go live w julian assange in ecuador and have troubling conversations about sex every other night

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:44

XMNN: Apr 26, 2008; I am incredibly stupid

yeah ive seen some p sick academic smack downs on papers that were supposed to be peer reviewed.

i remember one getting taken apart because they massively and possibly deliberately misinterpreted their crystal structures and it was obvious from the supporting files, it was brutal but very polite

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:46

a shiny rock: Nov 13, 2009

down with Big Science

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:48

Bea Nanner: Oct 20, 2003; Je suis excité!

Spanish Manlove posted:

http://scholar.google.com.secure.sci-hub.io/scholar?q=ERECTION&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5

ive done extensive research on this topic

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:48

TEAH SYAG: Oct 2, 2009; by Lowtax

If she and the site is based in Russia, what the gently caress can a New York judge do beside bluster?

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:54

Rutibex: Sep 9, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

i don't find this to be a moral question at all, all media and information should be free. copyrights and intellectual property laws are a crime against human nature, and stifles progress to benefit rent seeking monied interests. intellectual property is 100% evil and bad

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:56

Rutibex: Sep 9, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

also thank you OP, I didn't know about this site and pirating academic journals will actually help me quite a bit

# ? Feb 26, 2016 15:58

Riot Bimbo: Dec 28, 2006

Rutibex posted:

property laws are a crime against human nature. property is 100% evil and bad.

# ? Feb 26, 2016 16:01

Constant Hamprince: Oct 24, 2010; by exmarx; College Slice

# ? Feb 26, 2016 16:05

Lord Frankenstyle: Dec 3, 2005; Mmmm,
You smell like Lysol Wipes.

Good. It's about time science caught up with the music and film industries.

# ? Feb 26, 2016 16:05

Constant Hamprince: Oct 24, 2010; by exmarx; College Slice

also thank you OP, I didn't know about this site and pirating academic journals will actually help me quite a bit

# ? Feb 26, 2016 16:05

Rutibex: Sep 9, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

Constant Hamprince posted:

also thank you OP, I didn't know about this site and pirating academic journals will actually help me quite a bit

plagiarism isn't intellectual property, cite your sources!

# ? Feb 26, 2016 16:11

nomadologique: Mar 9, 2011; DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO

the internet version of the echo game is alot funnier than IRL

# ? Feb 26, 2016 16:14

nomadologique: Mar 9, 2011; DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO

where will they publish research abou the effects of open source sci fi journals on the research world?

# ? Feb 26, 2016 16:14

Blizzy_Cow: Feb 27, 2006; When one burns one's bridges, what a wonderful fire it makes

Any suggestions for climate change journals? I feel like pissing off all my family and friends today.

# ? Feb 26, 2016 16:35

FlimFlam Imam: Mar 1, 2007; Standing on a hill in my mountain of dreams

LOL, this is silly. I already have a bible, thanks.

# ? Feb 26, 2016 16:50

fuck the ROW: Aug 29, 2008; by zen death robot

this might be the first time any of these studies were fact checked or actually read

# ? Feb 26, 2016 17:43

Edgar: Sep 9, 2005; Oh my heck!
Oh heavens!
Oh my lord!
OH Sweet meats!; Wedge Regret

All the science I ever need is in my King James version of the Holy Bible.

# ? Feb 26, 2016 17:45

Germstore: Oct 17, 2012; A Serious Candidate For a Serious Time

I just finished reading every single paper on sci-hub, and apparently climate change is actually a hoax. Go figure.

# ? Feb 26, 2016 17:48

Constant Hamprince: Oct 24, 2010; by exmarx; College Slice

plagiarism isn't intellectual property, cite your sources!

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# ? Feb 26, 2016 17:50

Ein cooler Typ: Nov 26, 2013; by FactsAreUseless

Yeah those greedy scientists should work for free and not expect compensation for their labor

# ? Feb 26, 2016 17:50

Germstore: Oct 17, 2012; A Serious Candidate For a Serious Time

Ein cooler Typ posted:

Yeah those greedy scientists should work for free and not expect compensation for their labor

Do any actual scientists see any of that sweet-rear end journal money?

# ? Feb 26, 2016 17:53

guidoanselmi: Feb 6, 2008; I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

call me crazy but seeing as though most research is publicly funded it always made little sense that public access to the result of the research would paygated by a third party.

also there's http://www.arxiv.org if you're into math, physics, and some other disciplines that hosts pre-prints - a weird trick that makes elsevier mad.

# ? Feb 26, 2016 17:55

Ein cooler Typ: Nov 26, 2013; by FactsAreUseless

Well someone has to do work editing and publishing the journals

Why do millennials think they're entitled to get everything for free

# ? Feb 26, 2016 17:56

fuck the ROW: Aug 29, 2008; by zen death robot

im tired of getting raped in the rear end in a top hat by taxes for science that nobody even reads..

# ? Feb 26, 2016 17:56

guidoanselmi: Feb 6, 2008; I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

Ein cooler Typ posted:

Well someone has to do work editing and publishing the journals

Why do millennials think they're entitled to get everything for free

lol reviewers dont get paid.

# ? Feb 26, 2016 17:58

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Ein cooler Typ posted:

Well someone has to do work editing and publishing the journals

Why do millennials think they're entitled to get everything for free

I'm going to kick your rear end

# ? Feb 26, 2016 18:01

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