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Taxes pay my salary but most taxpayers can't access my research... cool and good
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Ein cooler Typ posted:Well someone has to do work editing and publishing the journals Why are you using words? Those words were already put in that order by somebody else, somewhere else, and you are using their ideas for free. Please stop.
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Feb 26, 2016 18:04
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i think most scientists probably think this is p good i know the post doc in my lab would pirate interesting papers we didnt have subscriptions for
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Feb 26, 2016 18:04
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Ein cooler Typ posted:Yeah those greedy scientists should work for free and not expect compensation for their labor i'm pretty sure scientists are paid a salary, it's not a piece work system
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Feb 26, 2016 18:20
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Rutibex posted:i'm pretty sure scientists are paid a salary, it's not a piece work system people working in industry also obv get a salary its not like a record contract
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Feb 26, 2016 18:24
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XMNN posted:i think most scientists probably think this is p good Most scientists are idealists
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Feb 26, 2016 18:28
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Hmm someone with a retarded german name is defending obsolete bureaucratic machinery
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Feb 26, 2016 18:32
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most scientists want to be able to read relevant research even if it happens to be published in nature instead of jacs they also want to get published in nature so its not going away and im not sure institutional subscribers are going to ditch them for a russian pirate site
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Feb 26, 2016 18:34
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What will the world do without obsolete middlemen to collect money for effectively doing nothing?
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Feb 26, 2016 18:35
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Does this site contain the garbage academic papers done by the thousands by Chinese schools?
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Feb 26, 2016 18:36
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Germstore posted:What will the world do without obsolete middlemen to collect money for effectively doing nothing? Well the same people own pretty much all media sooo
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Feb 26, 2016 19:10
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but what does this do for me, the common man?
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Feb 26, 2016 20:42
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Cantaloupe posted:but what does this do for me, the common man? you can now gain the benifit of a university education for free, by assigning yourself a list of these papers to read and then neglecting to do so
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Feb 26, 2016 21:09
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guidoanselmi posted:call me crazy but seeing as though most research is publicly funded it always made little sense that public access to the result of the research would paygated by a third party. it made sense when that poo poo was printed in actual physical journals but now its dumb
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Feb 26, 2016 21:55
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Rutibex posted:you can now gain the benifit of a university education for free, by assigning yourself a list of these papers to read and then neglecting to do so
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Feb 26, 2016 22:02
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So, whos up for downloading all of them so I can back it up on a harddrive for when aliens gently caress over our planet and we need to restart from scratch? I wanna be the new Bill Applewhite GatorJobs.
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Feb 26, 2016 22:05
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Uxzuigal posted:So, whos up for downloading all of them so I can back it up on a harddrive for when aliens gently caress over our planet and we need to restart from scratch? I wanna be the new Bill Applewhite GatorJobs. The Seeds of Knowledge Bank - I like it If ever our civilization is wiped out to near extinction and some far off alien life form came to Earth to discover our advanced technology, I really want them to appreciate our advances in teledildonics
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Feb 26, 2016 22:15
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Now how will researchers cite things that no one else has a subscription to (effectively ensuring that the shoddiness of their research goes unnoticed)?
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Feb 26, 2016 22:29
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a hole-y ghost posted:Now how will researchers cite things that no one else has a subscription to (effectively ensuring that the shoddiness of their research goes unnoticed)? lol. i think everyone does this
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Feb 26, 2016 22:35
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I searched for "penis" but first I had to click on the pictures that contained dorozhniye znaki. Not worth it. http://scholar.google.ru.secure.sci-hub.io/scholar?q=penis&hl=ru&as_sdt=0,5
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Feb 26, 2016 22:40
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Didn't one of the founders or Reddit get busted for trying something like this a few years ago? I remember the Feds tried to make him an example and he ended up killing himself.
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Feb 26, 2016 22:42
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Oh cool, communists have taken over another thread with "You can't like, own anything, man".
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Feb 26, 2016 22:50
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someone could crack you in the skull and take your poo poo at any given time really ownership is not intrinsic
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Feb 26, 2016 22:53
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crabcakes66 posted:Oh cool, communists have taken over another thread with "You can't like, own anything, man". scientists want you to use their work thats why they publish it, the journals dont do any research they just control access to it and do quality control/peer review obv but afaik they just farm the reviewing out to working academics and some p big stuff slips through the gaps anyway
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Feb 26, 2016 22:55
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these scientists getting me pissed
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Feb 26, 2016 22:57
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i don't find this to be a moral question at all, all media and information should be free. copyrights and intellectual property laws are a crime against human nature, and stifles progress to benefit rent seeking monied interests. intellectual property is 100% evil and bad
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Feb 26, 2016 23:00
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Scientific research should be free, this ain't rocke- oh wait it actually is rocket science, sweet!
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Feb 26, 2016 23:02
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It should be free as gently caress
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Feb 26, 2016 23:05
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hemophilia posted:It should be free as gently caress says the man who pays for both, lmao
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Feb 26, 2016 23:06
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That doesnt follow
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Feb 26, 2016 23:09
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Scientific breakthroughs should be available to all - some freeloader somewhere could come up with a new thing based on things he saw for free, thus making his advances in thing technology free to everybody too Sorry I don't know the technical words for the things I'm not a scientist
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Feb 26, 2016 23:10
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the people generating the information dont even want to keep it to themselves in 1850 if youre a chemist in some little poo poo hole town in ohio and you want to share your ground breaking discovery with the world, you send it off to a journal who publish it and all your peers with a subscription can access it when it turns up on the next donkey in 2016 if youre a chemist and you want to share your work with the world you can p much put it out there for free to everyone at an open access publisher, but your department wants you to put it in a prestigious journal for dick measuring purposes so you submit it to someone who makes it available to a limited subset of your peers who happen to be at institutions that can afford whatever massive number the publisher feels like naming theyre literally trading on their reputation, how massively ingrained impact factors etc are in the administration of departments, and the fact this makes people submit their work to them which they can then charge people to access in return they do some editing and get some people to have a look at it to make sure its not obvious bullshit
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Feb 26, 2016 23:11
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notZaar posted:Didn't one of the founders or Reddit get busted for trying something like this a few years ago? I remember the Feds tried to make him an example and he ended up killing himself. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/12/aaron-swartz-suicide_n_2462819.html intellectual property is evil and snuffs out progress
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Feb 26, 2016 23:19
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Blazing Zero posted:intellectual property is evil and snuffs out progress but people will stop doing anything interesting if there's no incentive 
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Feb 26, 2016 23:28
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I'm downloading the entire science now. I'm gonna read it all and be smart as gently caress.
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Feb 26, 2016 23:33
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Sci-Hub is the best thing ever, seriously. Especially for hundred year old obscurities, for which a crappy scan is the best you can do. Thank you, Armenianski-Russkie, your efforts are appreciated greatly. Bea Nanner posted:this is pretty cool. what are some good things to search? http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=A+new+monster+from+southwest+Oregon+forests%3A+Cryptomaster+behemoth&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C38&as_sdtp= New species of spider, different from old because of its dick (Figure 6 c, d). spud posted:I'm downloading the entire science now. I'm gonna read it all and be smart as gently caress. Careful! Just because it's published, doesn't mean it's smart science. A lot of it is crap!
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Feb 26, 2016 23:37
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guidoanselmi posted:but people will stop doing anything interesting if there's no incentive we can have special "sponsored test results" seamlessly embedded into each study, then scientists can be paid on a per paper view basis
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Feb 27, 2016 00:06
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gently caress that I dent need research papars, I can genreate my own and sound like a jenius https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/archive/scigen/
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I have no problem with IP but it would be better if it expired like how it did before Disney decided it should not. And in this case the people benefiting from restricting the information are not the people who create the information so- yeah pirate that poo poo.
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SirEvelynTremble posted:Scientific breakthroughs should be available to all - some freeloader somewhere could come up with a new thing based on things he saw for free, thus making his advances in thing technology free to everybody too yes but you are confusing the point of science with some idealistic pie in the sky concept like "progress", when really the point is "money" money money money
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