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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

If things don't start picking up this month then 2016 can officially go gently caress itself.

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Apr 5, 2009

I see fash thread (euro edition) is still discussing whether the refugees should be turned away for ARE CULTURE or ARE MONEY, leaving many to decide whether to argue with the racists or the free market true believers, and several others just staring in dismay at yet another dumb, dumb argument.

One thing I found particularly funny after seeing noted dipshit OhYeah consistently put out lovely arguments is that journalist Abi Wilkinson (of Mirror/Grauniad/rightthink departments) did a piece on Cologne last week that even specifically mentioned Estonia's large number of victim-blamers RE: rape victims. Starting to think she's reading these threads (while shaking her head in dismay).

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Apr 5, 2009

IceAgeComing posted:

Anyone ever gone to see a TV recording? I'm number 1 in the standby list for Robot Wars and I don't know whether hanging around would be a good idea

I recommend getting there earlier than the time they say, for popular shows everyone has the same idea, and unless you're VIP you will just end up being so far back in the queue you don't get in. An hour might be too much but if you're not there half an hour beforehand you could be poo poo out of luck.

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Apr 5, 2009

OwlFancier posted:

help me im stuck in europol and i cant get out

It is why I'm Vote Leave. *turns to camera, gives thumbs up + cheesy grin*

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Apr 5, 2009

StoneOfShame posted:

Wasn't that largely because the MRAs weren't as vocally active then, they've always been about but the noise they generate has shot up over the last year. I do remember there some MRAs getting pissed off about Dredd.

Probably because it was *looks nervously at the shadows of the thread* before *glances one more time* [whispers] gamergate

*flames block the exits, the sprinklers spray piss down on us all*

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Apr 5, 2009

Renaissance Robot posted:

What on earth is there in Dredd for MRAs to get mad about? :psyduck:


And don't say "women"

Okay then. Feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemales. :mrapig:

More seriously Keg addressed this:

Kegluneq posted:

Shame as they're quite similar in many regards. At least Mad Max could only be accused of ripping off itself.

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Apr 5, 2009

Kassad posted:

A socialist MP in France proposed a similar bill, with a 1 million euro fine for refusing to comply. Not to be outdone, a right-wing MP proposed an amendment setting the fine at 2 million euros and adding a one-year ban on the phone model in question (A ban on iPhones, essentially). The right-wingers are also saying that refusing to assist investigations by decrypting phones is tantamount to being an accomplice in acts of terrorism.

It's an impressive combo of batshit authoritarianism and not having the slightest idea what they're talking about.

I like to imagine this gets into an arms race between the two MPs where they raise the fine by 1 mil and the ban by a year with each new retaliatory bill.

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Apr 5, 2009

Guavanaut posted:

Given Lucas's love for dumb naming I can't believe he didn't have all that planned in advance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbLqiKg9JkA

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Apr 5, 2009

Just vote to Leave you wusspots.

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Apr 5, 2009

By all means vote to stay, I just don't suggest it if you're conflicted.

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Apr 5, 2009

Private Speech posted:

e: How does everyone feel about Ted Baker? Someone at work thinks it's chavvy, which is, err? Maybe?

It's a clothing chain. Who on earth gives a gently caress that isn't a Tory?

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Apr 5, 2009

Then tell them to stop giving a poo poo who made what someone's wearing. Care what it looks like.

I mean if it's made by Hitler Corp then worry but if it's just 'chavvy' then lol gently caress anyone who whines. gently caress them to hell.

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Apr 5, 2009

Namtab posted:

I don't give a gently caress about the eu, what is the superior voting option?

Voting to Leave. We're hosed either way, really.

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Apr 5, 2009

Namtab posted:

Imagine that my sig is on.

It always is when I'm readin your poasts.

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Apr 5, 2009

Private Speech posted:

I'd very much rather not be hosed even more in the near future thanks.

I mean, I'm happy to shift my vote, but your sob story better be drat GOOD *prepares The Voice chair*

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Apr 5, 2009

Dabir posted:

Do not vote to Leave.

A strong argument, I can see Vote Leave has a hard game ahead of them.

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Apr 5, 2009

Private Speech posted:

Does potentially slowly being forced out of the country where I have most of my friends and cannot afford citizenship from count? Oh and the research sector being hosed with regards to funding, at least from what I can see at work. That's just the personal part.

This does beg a question, though... what IS the recourse for current EU-beneficiaries here on a free-movement basis, should we leave the EU? I agree that a solution that fucks you over would be gross, and if such a thing were to be the guaranteed option I would be much more likely to vote to Stay.

At the same time, research is getting gutted either way. That one is at best delayed due to the EU, not prevented.

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Apr 5, 2009

Private Speech posted:

e: actually you're just a prick, your only argument is that things getting even more poo poo will somehow bring about the revolution and install glorious communism (which will not happen unless we get to literal death camps first)

That's not my argument, dipshit.

My main argument is that the major benefits of the EU are currently being consistently weakened (see: environmental protections, worker protections) while little positives are being added. Free movement of people? Pretty good. Monetary union? Sounds like a good id-- oh wow you're letting each country work completely different fiscal policies... oh cool now half of them are basically in default? Amazing. I love the sound of this political union.

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Apr 5, 2009

Private Speech posted:

Probably not in a significant way. Less doctors around maybe? It's still a bad idea regardless.

TTIP has plenty of opportunities to gently caress with the NHS, ESPECIALLY with mental health. Outside of the EU? Probably as vulnerable, but inside the EU the problem would be much harder to overcome.

Private Speech posted:

It's a bit like voting for Trump to 'punish' Hillary. Cut off your nose and all that

Yeesh stop editing posts in a fast-moving discussion. This poo poo looks weird as well for people reading when they get up at sensible times.

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Apr 5, 2009

Private Speech posted:

Pretty sure that was exactly your argument the whole time.

Please show me your extrapolation from my posts that led to this amazing conclusion.

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Apr 5, 2009

Private Speech posted:

And majority of countries benefited from euro on the whole, just not the ones that could really use it. I agree that it was a Bad Policy.

So some benefited, some didn't... and it was bad policy. This proves... me... wrong?

what

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Apr 5, 2009

Private Speech posted:

From the February thread:

Ah yes, clearly you have quoted my claim that leaving the EU would bring full communism now and/or a less lovely government. Hmmm. Wait, I'm using 'words' and not seeing it.

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Apr 5, 2009

Namtab posted:

3 more months of this.

It's made me consider emigrating to Russia so I could at least have less dumb discussions with the local trees.

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Apr 5, 2009

Private Speech posted:

That's what accelerationism is, unless you just want everyone to be really miserable which would make you a huge prick? I'm not going to link the whole discussion, but all those posts were direct replies to people arguing for staying in the EU.

Really not seeing how it's any different from voting for Trump out of spite.

I... will reply to this tomorrow.

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Apr 5, 2009

Private Speech posted:

That's what accelerationism is, unless you just want everyone to be really miserable which would make you a huge prick? I'm not going to link the whole discussion, but all those posts were direct replies to people arguing for staying in the EU.

Really not seeing how it's any different from voting for Trump out of spite.

Well first off this assumes that voting to leave will mean that an iron curtain will rise from the channel, slicing us away from the entirety of Europe. The more mundane likelihood is that we have a slightly shittier trade deal with the EU, which if that's the best acceleration can do I'm not very impressed. As to EU citizens currently here I'm sure that even if Cameron is a colossal moron and bellend even he's not so economically suicidal as to mass deport over 3 million people in the style of testicle head orang-utan Donald Trump.

As to the EU preventing the worst of the Tory governmental policies, I can't really say it's doing that great of a job.

As to it not being different from spite-voting Trump, I'll put it that despite that being an election that doesn't affect me in any way, if I was over there, I'd vote Bernie in the primary and Hillary in the general. I don't consider either of them a perfect option but they are better than the racist bleach-haired oompa loompah currently turning the GOP into a hilarious trainwreck.

I suppose that I could qualify that in my desired, but implausible, scenario, Britain would leave, and a few years later rejoin. I suppose my biggest problem is that for all our complaints about the EU, voting to stay merely says that despite that, we'll put up with what we've got. I'm well aware that Greece learned the hard way that saying 'no' doesn't guarantee you'll change poo poo but I'd rather we say 'no' now rather than when the Eurozone next hits the shitter.

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Apr 5, 2009

TACD posted:

Given this, I don't see how it follows that leaving the EU is a superior choice to staying and working harder for positive reform. Leaving would certainly be easier, emotionally cheaper and with the attractive 'gently caress those idiots' dash of spite, but these are the same reactionary justifications that get made in support of regressive politics in general. I've yet to see a well-argued position in favour of Leave that rises beyond 'the EU isn't perfect'; show me a strong argument in favour of isolationism in general, because that's what a vote for Leave essentially is.

How is it isolationism? It's not voting for a wall or to stop trading with the EU, merely to leave the political union. The EU should be reformed from within, and if I believed that were likely I wouldn't have considered voting Leave, but if anything by voting stay you're giving a thumbs up to an increasingly lovely institution.

Like I said, I want us to leave a lovely union and later re-join a renovated one.

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Apr 5, 2009

GaussianCopula posted:

Your plan is to leave the EU, hope it reforms to be less market oriented and than rejoin it?

I would like the EU to be less of a bureaucratic piece of poo poo, but I'm not expecting the vote to change it one way or another. I'm saying what I would like to happen not what will happen.

Also gently caress off out of our thread.

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Apr 5, 2009

Malcolm XML posted:

lmao leaving the politcal union without leaving the single market is an own goal. u can't join the single market w/o signing up to the directives and whatnot, it's part of the treaties. so since the critical bit the nationalists want is the end of free movement of people, it'll automatically kick you out of the single market

so you would then have to sign up all the regulations and poo poo w/o having representatives.


and lmao if you want to leave the single market, that would be catastrophic on many many levels.

I am happy to sign up to the trade regulations, I think things like the guaranteed-volume labelling, safety legislation etc. is fantastic. If this was all the EU was, I'd be fine. I disagree with shite like the CAP which is nothing to do with the single market.

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Apr 5, 2009

Cerv posted:

I'm not convinced that leaving the EU will do anything to end the CAP or lessen its negative impacts on the wider world.

It's not a requirement of the common market, and it's not universally negative - I hear it's a godsend in the post-communist countries and in (post-socialist? :v:) France. It's just here that it's a complete poo poo.

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Apr 5, 2009

Guavanaut posted:

What's their obsession with the failure that is the Nordic model?

Ironically the one Nordic model we shouldn't copy.

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Apr 5, 2009

Tempo 119 posted:

Remember when they blocked Pirate Bay and solved piracy forever

Probably improved the quality of the porn uploaded, though.

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Apr 5, 2009

I was ambivalent on Scottish independence but I tacitly supported the Leave side. I suppose in hindsight it was lucky they didn't given their reliance on the oil price for their economy.

I suppose this is the part where I'll be met with "ah, but what if Britain leaving the EU ends up with the UK in the very situation Scotland nearly was" to which I lazily wave at the various bubbles all over the different financial markets.

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Apr 5, 2009

Spangly A posted:

I hope they all die. Ober, stop getting probated in GBS.

I love that that's your segue.

:rip: Ober, first pots indeed.

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Apr 5, 2009

Rugby was compulsory in my middle school. The teacher would make us practise tackles until he was satisfied we could successfully take down an opponent.

On the plus side, that's where I get very good at running and dodging, but forcing us to play when it was 4 degrees outside gave plenty of us colds.

In upper school you could choose between rugby/football or netball/tennis and I must tell you I was a very good goal shooter and my tennis serve improved immensely.

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Apr 5, 2009

I do also like that people in the thread who were so supportive of the junior doctors strike have now turned and gone "huwah? They no wanting me get brane damaj? FUKK THEM"

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Apr 5, 2009

As long as it's non-compulsory I don't mind, but giving us the choice of brain damage in cold weather or detention / suspension I'll take the mark on my record.

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Apr 5, 2009

Zephro posted:

We (ie boys as well as girls) played netball in primary school. I really enjoyed it. Wing Attack 4 lyfe basketball is better though .

I was particularly effective as Wing Defender back in the day. Basketball was a winter sport and I was good at that, was agile enough to kick off the wall and reach the hoop (they obviously weren't professional height) which was good because my hand-eye coordination is better than my wimpy monkey arms could throw.

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Apr 5, 2009

Cold weather increases your susceptibility to colds, it can't actually give you one.

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Apr 5, 2009

Welcome back probe-rleutnant.

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Apr 5, 2009

"I lived in a place where people loved rugby and no-one ever forced me to play it, truly, no-one could possibly be forced to play it in places where it isn't loved."

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