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Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Grimey Drawer
What the gently caress is this?

Clean For the Queen.

'Hey proles, you don't have jobs and the people who were formerly employed keeping your streets clean have all been rendered down into trace elements but could you do their work for free Her Maj? Did I hit my head and wake up in an alternate timeline where the feudal system was somehow still a thing in TYOOL 2016?

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Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Grimey Drawer
I didn't realise that it had been a thing for a while. I saw Graun and New Statesman articles about it in my Fb feed from today, so I assumed that this was a new thing that HMG wanted to distract us from the spasming corpse of the NHS with.

E: 1st March 1953, Premier Iosef Stalin suffers a stroke and collapses at his dacha. He doesn't regain consciousness and dies four days later.

Helen Highwater fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Mar 1, 2016

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Grimey Drawer
I will be voting for the UK to stay because it will make it easier for me to continue not living there.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Grimey Drawer
B...b...but... BRIMSTONE! ARE BOYS! THE FEW!


Edit:

quote:

A freedom of information request by the Huffington Post UK website earlier this month found that only seven Isis fighters had been killed by British bombs, according to Ministry of Defence records.

Furthermore, the much vaunted Brimstone missiles, which David Cameron had pledged would “cut off the snake’s head” in Syria and ministers had dubbed “unique” – had killed no Isis fighters.

Billions of quid spent to murder 7 random dudes.

Helen Highwater fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Mar 2, 2016

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Grimey Drawer

Renaissance Robot posted:

A sense of politeness compels me to claim that I don't want to say "we told you so"... but I really really do.

gently caress Benn and everyone else who pushed for this utter waste.

It would have been cheaper to just fly them over here and let them die on benefits.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Grimey Drawer

Tesseraction posted:

Buddhist Shrugged

Who is John Gautama?

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Grimey Drawer

Tesseraction posted:

There's a solution to this. :frogbon:

A 'final solution' if you will...

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Grimey Drawer

Milotic posted:

[On the other hand, I'm slightly conflicted since my faith is quite big on the whole day of rest, though since my wife ends up doing marking, and I'm sometimes doing out of hours IT work, I don't think we've got much of a leg to stand on.


Do you think that specific and non-universal tenets of your faith should be legally imposed on everyone in the country regardless of whether they share your faith?

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Grimey Drawer
I remember when I lived in Germany and moved into my new apartment at 7pm on a Saturday to find out that in Germany, when they say a place is unfurnished, they mean it's completely bare - not just without furniture but with no kitchen units, no light-fittings or whatever. Never mind, there's a big DIY store about a 20 minute walk away and an IKEA within 'paying a mate beer money for a lift' range. Oh wait, nothing is open in Germany on a Sunday or after 6pm on other days except for restaurants and bars. Guess I'll be sleeping on the floor in a flat with no lights for a week then.

In a society where people are increasingly working schedules that don't conform to the traditional 9-5, Mon-Fri pattern, being able to buy things at odd times is cool and good. Also don't live in Germany unless you can take days off in the week to do shopping.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Grimey Drawer

JoylessJester posted:

Amazing how quickly this 'left wing' thread is to voice support for reducing the ability of minimum-wage works to have even a slight chance of being off at the same as the rest of their family, just so a few posters so they don't have plan there week a little bit better. You lot are the reason shops are open xmas eve, xmas day and boxing and paying time and 1/4 if you're lucky. I mean it's not even like no shops are open most smaller/local stores are exempt and are open up to 10 or 11 on a sunday anyway.

Let me help you out with the part where you're going wrong here.

All of it. You are full of poo poo, this is nothing even close to an argument that anyone has made in the thread.

What's the point of having a day off if there's nothing open? If things are open, then guess what? Some poor bastards are at work, making that happen. Just like some poor bastards are going to need to be at work on a Sunday anyway because a lot of things don't care what day of the week it is and will happen and need to be dealt with regardless.

No-one's saying "gently caress those proles, they should be open for my convenience and not get compensated a single penny more for doing it." Pretty much everyone has suggested that in fact we do need to pay people more for working on days like Xmas eve and boxing day etc. I award you three Pissflaps out of seven for arguments in bad faith.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Grimey Drawer
MrL_JaKiri is pretending for some reason known only to himself, that having shops open on Sundays means that working families will never have a day off at a weekend. I don't know why he has decided that allowing shops to open Sundays but making sure that workers get either the Saturday or the Sunday off in addition to another day is some impossible ideal that we can never achieve (given that anyone working in a shop is probably already working most Saturdays).

I have no idea why he's made up an entirely fictitious hill to die on.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Grimey Drawer

MrL_JaKiri posted:

I award you three Pissflaps out of seven for arguments in bad faith.

Except that you have actually been trying to make that argument repeatedly. Can you quote the person who said that filthy poors should never get to see their children or that working on a Sunday shouldn't be compensated at a premium?

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Grimey Drawer

MrL_JaKiri posted:

I just suggested that all poor people should be fed into an industrial mincing machine, can you quote where I said the poor should be killed???

I, too, am shocked that if you advocate for something you have to defend the negative consequences of that thing. It's almost like there's more to the Sunday trading discussion than "I like buying things in shops ergo they should always be open for my convenience".

It's not about 'my convenience'. You've been presented with several examples where Sunday shopping is a necessity and would make life easier/possible for many people including those who work on Sundays. The Monday to Friday working week hasn't been a thing for a lot of people for decades now. Additionally many families - especially the working poor - have both partners working. A day when nothing is open except pubs seriously limits the opportunities many people need to get basic poo poo done.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Grimey Drawer

Pissflaps posted:

It was pretty cool. I managed to get a couple of photos too.





Thin your paints.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Grimey Drawer

Lord of the Llamas posted:

Wikipedia seems to suggest the "consensus" is that it was homegrown AQ sympathisers collaborating with a loose cast of ne'er do wells but the government were desperate to pin it on ETA so probably bungled the investigation or something.

This is a pretty good example of a popular movement toppling a government as a result of catching them in a lie. The government at the time was the Partido Popular, a right-wing party that was widely expected to win the elections that were scheduled for a few days after the attack. At the time, ETA activity had been increasing with small-time stuff like shooting at police stations, calling in bomb-threats to government buildings etc. The PP was very strongly against Basque independence and had previously campaigned on a platform of being tough on terrorists. The commuter trains in Madrid were blown up three days before the elections and the PP immediately blamed it on ETA. The ETA denied involvement and AQ claimed that it was their attack. Despite this, the government continued to blame ETA and announced a series of crackdowns on Basque and Catalan separatists (even non-violent ones). There were national protests in the streets of almost every major city as a result. The PSOE (Socialist party) pointed out that AQ had claimed responsibility in retaliation for Spain's involvement in the US-led coalition in Iraq (which was significant, extensive and deeply unpopular in Spain). In the face of mass protests, the government doubled down and suggested that they had evidence of ETA involvement. They were never able to produce any of it though. Three days after the bombing, the PP lost the election to the PSOE despite having had a clear lead in polls before that. Basically it was their Falklands moment and they hosed it up massively.

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Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

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Grimey Drawer

XMNN posted:

The guardian article alleges its from someone in Corbyns office in January but i dont think it had a source

I seriously don't even understand what they're pretending to be outraged about, the idea that the leadership of a political party might not regard its entire parliamentary group as unwavering allies? Do they think that the particular mps named aren't actually hostile to the leadership? Do they object to the keeping of lists?

You know who else kept lists of ideologically suspect party members?

John Major

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