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Welcome to the consolidated Souls thread, with a simple purpose; bring discussion From Software's first three Souls RPGs into a single place for all the same old arguments, all the same range of questionable to great advice, and all the love we still all presumably have for this abusive, addictive series.[/list] If you're playing a Souls game for the first time, ask all the questions you want, bitter as the vets may be they'll always help with whatever level of specifics you ask for. If you're already a Souls goon, try to keep the gooniness to a minimum. We've had all the arguments a trillion times, no-one who isn't an autist cares anymore. In-depth explanations of each game to follow as you'd expect, this is basically just the paperwork since we're bringing all And now onto the show for those who don't know. What Are The Souls Games? The Souls games consist of three-ish games under the purview of this thread, with a fourth due any day now. They are modern RPG takes on an older series called King's Field, by the same studio From Software, as well as takes on more challenging, knowledge and skill based RPG games in general. They prize a players ability to learn and adapt more than direct gear power ratios or extremely high reflexes. They've earned a reputation for being punishing and at times unfair, but these are misconceptions, even if they are easily achieved ones. Souls is happy to punish you for not learning the patterns of an enemy attack, or the placement of each enemy in a level. These two concepts are core to becoming better at a Souls game. Once you understand patterns and placement, you can take all the time you need to work patiently through a level, and the euphoria of beating a boss in an area that has given you trouble for days at a time is nigh unmatched in video games. That doesn't mean it's all sunshine and diesel-fueled high octane nostalgia for the good old games when you had to fight for every win screen and games were challenging but fair. Those days never existed, not really, and the Souls games, even with their now adoring public, are hardly without their own flaws. What those flaws often are is hotly debated within the spectrum of people that play the game, but a few general ones can be agreed upon. Not all bosses are designed equally, there are a couple stinkers and outright badly designed bosses in every game, and people will happily commiserate when you run across one. Not every weapon is a winner, and some just aren't worth using despite your carnal need to be Indian Jones with two whips. Perhaps most importantly, and most tellingly, the biggest flaw of the Souls games is also their greatest point of love; an unwillingness to hold your hand in any capacity. Not simply with game play, but their desire for an atmospheric, unobtrusive level of story telling has lead many to believe there just isn't much to the series that's worth enjoying. Bashing your head against a wall of enemies for a couple hours to have your reward be a few lines of text that are almost meaningless without (and even sometimes with) larger context can be a frustrating experience. That said, when it all comes together and the series clicks, there's absolutely nothing like it. Critically, Souls does not do this through randomized damage numbers, or procedural ambushes, or any number of dirty tricks the player simply couldn't see coming. With patience, and critical thinking, no ambush in Demon's Souls is ever cruelly random. Thief-like enemies wait in ambush around dark corners, punishing towers of plate and hatred stand guard at important doors, and even environmental traps can be spotted and countered if you take your time and watch your surroundings. The Essentials There are a few important facts that all Souls games share that will force you to change your tempo from more traditional RPGs.
These facets are the complicated and challenging aspects that Souls fans have come to love over the last six years, and anyone who has heard about these games has a wonderful and engulfing experience ahead of them if they'd like to dive into them now. They are punishing verging on abusive, euphoric verging on addictive and unique beyond measure, and they can't be recommended enough. In order of release then: Released in 2009, From Software's return to its roots in challenging RPGs with atmospheric storytelling and a penchant for not-quite-cruelty spread inexorably from its February release in Japan. By the time it hit North America in October of the same year it had garnered a small but rabid following, who proceeded to devour the game whole and craved more. While it suffers from some of the design problems you might expect for the first (modern) RPG from a company who had been making shooters and brawlers for the past decade, it remains widely hailed as the most 'out there' of the mainline Souls games, and is worth anybodies time if they've played the following games. Regrettably, it's marooned alone on the PS3, but with Gamestop selling the system for $70 and a copy readily available for $15-20, if you've got the money to spare, you almost owe it to yourself to go back and see what started it all. Essential Links The Wikidot wiki. The wikidot for Demon's Souls benefited greatly from the more insular Demon's community and the lack of major competition, and remains the most useful for this game. The first thread. Mostly for posterity, but it is interesting to see the shifts in perspective and tonality. The second thread. Long-running and fairly civil for a Souls thread, also mostly for posterity at this point. The Differences
Released in 2011, Dark Souls was the followup hit to Demon's Souls semi-obscurity. Calling it a hit is almost disingenuous as it took the entire gaming world in a flash flood, riding high on the frantic selling of the already entrenched Demon's Souls audience and the enthusiastic fellatio of the games press. While it suffered in places from the sudden exposure and emergence from cult status, gaining a reputation for unfair trial and error gameplay, those who took it at a more methodical pace found it to be a refreshing breath of air unmatched in the time of its release. Gracing Xbox 360, PS3 and eventually a (somewhat shoddy) PC port from the sheer appetite the gaming populace displayed in the months following its release, it retains a steady lead for favorite of the insofar released Souls games. Essential Links The Dark Souls Wikidot The Dark Souls Fextralife The original console release thread. The PC release thread. DSFix is 100% non-negotiable essential to play the PC version of Dark Souls 1. Turn off in-game AA. Dark Souls Mouse Fix, a mod to make playing the PC port with a keyboard less infuriating. Turn off UI Mouse. A mod that allows you to play coop with specific people with much greater ease than the murky soup of connection roulette that is normal Dark Souls operation. The Differences
Dark Souls 2, released in 2014 rode high on the well-established desire for From Software's brand of punishing tactical combat. Disappointing some but thrilling others, it has its share of flaws but manages to move the general refinement and playability of the series to new heights. While not a immersive a world as its immediate predecesor, or as unique an experience as Demon's Souls, it is a cohesive, rarely genuinely bad package that many fans hold quite dear. If you're going to skip a Souls game it could quite easily be 2, but you'd be making a dreadful mistake. Essential Links The Dark Souls 2 Fextralife. The Fextralife wikis have become considerably more popular than their wikidot competitors since DeS, and usually have better info. The Dark Souls 2 Console Thread. The consoles versions had a months head start on the PC release, but as usual it's mostly for posterity. The Dark Souls 2 PC thread. Tale as old as time. The Differences
Released in 2015, nearly to the day after the PC release of the original game, Scholar of the First Sin is effectively a bog-standard GOTY edition with some very non-standard changes to the game. A great deal of the layout of Dark Souls 2 is changed, from enemy and item positions, to the seamless integration of the DLC content into your logical progression. Often and perhaps best described as a "ROM hack of Dark Souls 2", it is almost inarguably the better way to play the game, a few notable hiccoughs aside. With its frequent sales price, the move to the current gen for the console versions and the inclusion of the DLC, containing content said to be some of the best Souls has had, it's the definitive edition in a way that statement usually doesn't really mean.
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 17:51 |
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Bloodborne is a cool game.
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# ? Apr 9, 2016 22:50 |
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Demon's Souls was very fun and I wish I still had a PS3 to play it on.
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# ? Apr 9, 2016 22:55 |
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Nice OP. Now we can move all the whining about Dark Souls 2 out of the Dark Souls 3 thread.
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# ? Apr 9, 2016 22:57 |
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Space Harrier posted:Nice OP. Now we can move all the whining about Dark Souls 2 out of the Dark Souls 3 thread. why cant dark souls 2 chat go into the dark souls 2 thread same with the other games
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# ? Apr 9, 2016 22:57 |
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All the other threads have slowed enough and cross talk enough that it was figured they could all be bundled up for convenience, as well as to let DkS3 thread be entirely for DkS3 once it releases, since we all know how fast a release Souls thread moves. FAU should be cleaning up the other threads at some point, provided this isn't just to make me look like an idiot.
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# ? Apr 9, 2016 23:03 |
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It's mostly just to have a thread that's not dominated by either DS3 chat or the same circular arguments. I figure there have to be some people who haven't gotten into the series who are interested with DS3 coming out.
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# ? Apr 9, 2016 23:10 |
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is dark souls 2 considered the weakest out of all the games? I went through Dark Souls 1 multiple times but since my laptop started dying I was never able to try it. Now that I have a new computer I pre-ordered the third game but I was curious as to whether DS2 is worth buying later on or if I should just watch an LP or read a wiki of the character stories instead.
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# ? Apr 9, 2016 23:22 |
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Dark Souls 2 is good. I hope this answers all past and future questions.
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# ? Apr 9, 2016 23:23 |
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Some mechanics are a little different in Dark Souls 2 but overall it is still a very fun game, I'd get it.
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# ? Apr 9, 2016 23:25 |
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DS1 is a tightly-focused and mostly very polished experience. DS2 is more ambitious, but being bigger means not everything works.
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# ? Apr 9, 2016 23:30 |
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FactsAreUseless posted:DS1 is a tightly-focused and mostly very polished experience. DS2 is more ambitious, but being bigger means not everything works. Sorry, you are only allowed to choose between [GOOD|BAD|HITLER] when describing a Souls game.
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# ? Apr 9, 2016 23:32 |
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Also don't play it on PS3. The framerate exacerbates the dodge/adaptability issues.
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# ? Apr 9, 2016 23:33 |
Did anyone work out a really comprehensive spergin' table about how different weapons handle critical hits for DS2? It varies so much, from the broken-blade pieces of poo poo having very little to no bonus damage to the humble dagger having something like sextuple or septuple damage on a backstab, that I'd have thought someone would've compiled something by know.
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# ? Apr 9, 2016 23:35 |
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I think this thread is a mistake because the DS1 thread is still going medium strong after like...years, but w/e, you do you bud.
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# ? Apr 9, 2016 23:48 |
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Desperate Character posted:is dark souls 2 considered the weakest out of all the games? There are divided opinions regarding Dark Souls 2, and I hope we'll leave it at that. I think that it is a perfectly fine game and that you will get your money's worth out of it if you enjoyed the original Dark Souls 1.
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# ? Apr 9, 2016 23:50 |
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At this point even the worst Souls game is worth playing, it is still a good game by itself. Naturally people all have their own subjective opinions on which is the worst. Just finished DS2 on ps4 recently on a dual-wield play through, it's going to be hard to go back to 30 fps in Dark Souls 3 but if Bloodborne is any indication I'll get used to it pretty quickly. I could go with the PC version but I'm really OCD and like having physical copies of the entire serie. Thinking going back to Demon's Soul and doing a magic build since I heard that it is amazingly broken in it.
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 16:40 |
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Shadow Tower: Abyss is the best Old Souls game.
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 16:41 |
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FactsAreUseless posted:DS1 is a tightly-focused and mostly very polished experience. DS2 is more ambitious, but being bigger means not everything works. Like a third of DS1 is rushed and unfinished, which is why it's probably the worst Souls game. Unrelated: I played Kings Field 4 pretty recently and that game is really good too.
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 18:12 |
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Emalde posted:Shadow Tower: Abyss is the best Old Souls game. and Evergrace is the Worst. Though I guess I never have actually finished DaSo1.
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 18:17 |
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Been trying to collect the King's Field games, even those on ps1. Since I'm a weirdo I've been enjoying them a lot despite them aging terribly, the atmosphere is pretty great. I really need to get King's Field 4, it looks amazing to me. Edit: Internet Kraken posted:It'd be cool if From tried to do another first person dungeon crawler now that they are moving on from the Souls games. I would be all over that, I love those kind of games! Bonby fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Apr 10, 2016 |
# ? Apr 10, 2016 18:32 |
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It'd be cool if From tried to do another first person dungeon crawler now that they are moving on from the Souls games.
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 18:34 |
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You know I've often been called an Old Soul by many dear friends and loved ones, so I'm glad there is finally a thread out there for us to meet.
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 18:40 |
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exquisite tea posted:You know I've often been called an Old Soul by many dear friends and loved ones, so I'm glad there is finally a thread out there for us to meet. Me too! I've also been called 'a terrible person' because Dark Souls 2 is my favorite souls game.
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 19:40 |
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Is this a dedicated no discussion zone for dark souls 3? I'm not getting the game for 3-4 weeks and it would be nice to not have to unbookmark every other vaguely related thread like I had to with dark souls 2 ...the best game in the series, that's right here we go
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 21:07 |
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That was the intent but
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 21:09 |
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Hopefully I can do my run of the DS2 DLCs as well as the Giant Memories and final boss before tomorrow, when DS3 hits.dis astranagant posted:and Evergrace is the Worst. Evergrace sucked. Though, I never did play Forever Kingdom which was the apparent prequel.
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 21:56 |
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I've always played Dark Souls 1 & 2 as Strength builds, but following a format I lost my DS2 saves because it doesn't support STEAM cloud. Sucks, but I decided to try a Dex run. Dual wield, no shield, and holy gently caress is it super rewarding. I'm about average at Dark Souls games (I die an appreciable amount, I don't know all the secrets yet, I've died to Covetous Demon once but I'm capable of rolling consistently and I can land a fair amount of parries) but I love to challenge myself, so this is my way of doing it. Before I used to play Greatsword + Shield so you could bat people around with your fuckoff weapon but still be able to turtle, and while it was effective it didn't feel especially rewarding. Dual dex with wacky weapon combonations is the way to go and probably how I'll approach DS3 if it's still that flexible, but everything I've heard about it indicates that dual wielding is even better now. I've died a lot, to be sure, but you feel super cool when you're hacking dudes up with a ton of flashy moves and the weird weapons Dex has to offer. My favourite combonations currently are: Ricard's Rapier + Notched Whip: Slap the fuckers silly with your impractical but badass mid-range whip, and when they get close it's stabbin' time I don't see any situation where a whip extols any practicality whatsoever, but man does it look good when it connects. 2x Claws: For fun on the occasions I get invaded. I tend to die very quickly and violently being an amateur when it comes to PVP, but at least when the enemy sees me they know they're in for an interesting fight rather than a greatsword slapfest. Falchion + Scimitar: My main weapon set for when I actually want to make progress or win a fight. Curved swords are just fuckin' badass. I know that this is a garbage combination due to the slow attack speed of the falchion and the crazy stamina cost of using both the weapons, but they look really cool together and falchions are just cool as hell. I'm trying to learn the curved sword parry animation but it seems like the window on a parry is tiny. Looks rad when you pull it off though! Songbearer fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Apr 10, 2016 |
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Ricard's Rapier is a fantastic weapon, one of my favorites in DS1 and DS2. When I play souls games, I usually start playing a pure STR build, and then try different combinations of Strength and Dexterity for future characters. What I like about the Souls games is that I can play two strength characters and they can feel different based on the equipment I use. Some of my favorite weapons from DS2 include: Ricard's Rapier: lightning fast, and a sweet strong attack. Heide Knight Spear: an awesome spear all-around, even better when it is lightning infused. Sun Sword: A great weapon for STR/DEX characters. Its a long sword with great STR/DEX bonuses, and does rapier-like thrusts with heavy attacks. And my favorite shield has to be the Blossom Kite Shield for the stamina recovery.
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 23:06 |
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Halberds have been the best weapon in every game up to now, and they will continue to be the best.
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 23:07 |
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Songbearer posted:I'm trying to learn the curved sword parry animation but it seems like the window on a parry is tiny. Looks rad when you pull it off though! If you went from not parrying at all in 2 to trying to learn to parry with a curved sword you are a special kind of crazy.
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 23:09 |
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I found that the buckler was a good shield to learn parrying with. Never tried using weapons to parry...
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 23:20 |
And for good reason, since the parry windows on those two are 16 frames long, compared to 8 of standard shields and 12 of the small ones that aren't in the special "secretly garbage" category. The baller scimitar spinning animation only has 4.
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 23:24 |
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Is that 16 frames at 60 FPS or 30 FPS
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 23:26 |
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Is parrying easier in Bloodborne? Because I learned how to parry in the Souls games with Bloodborne first, and that made it easier for me in the Dark Souls games.
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 23:26 |
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Bloodborne parrying is babytown frolics.
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 23:32 |
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Don't get me wrong, I usually get all my hot parries in using a buckler, but I just can't resist that swishy swooshy sword parry. It's garbage for real, but on the rare occasion fate smiles on you and you land it, it's delicious. I think its frames are only active when the blade is vertical in the swing for all of a half second and the rest is all fluff.
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 23:39 |
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Songbearer posted:Don't get me wrong, I usually get all my hot parries in using a buckler, but I just can't resist that swishy swooshy sword parry. It's garbage for real, but on the rare occasion fate smiles on you and you land it, it's delicious. It's way, way less than half a second. The buckler parry is half a second.
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# ? Apr 10, 2016 23:55 |
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Desperate Character posted:is dark souls 2 considered the weakest out of all the games? I went through Dark Souls 1 multiple times but since my laptop started dying I was never able to try it. Now that I have a new computer I pre-ordered the third game but I was curious as to whether DS2 is worth buying later on or if I should just watch an LP or read a wiki of the character stories instead. dark souls 2 is a better video game but dark souls 1 is a more interesting experience imo i like 2 better
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My favorite loadout as a darkwraith in DS1 was just going dual Dark Hand with pyromancy flame as my alt-weapon. I always had a dragon head on because it is absolutely hilarious looking with some armor combos. Channeler's Trident was my favorite weapon though as you can throw a bunch of prism stones and then hold a dance party. The parry animation was also brutal as gently caress I guess I'll get DS2 in one of the next steam sales, right after my six playthroughs of DS3 of course
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