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Lawrence Gilchrist
Mar 31, 2010

DOD Seeks More Cyber Action with ISIS





Dramatically shifting the types of militants it targets, the Pentagon confirmed that an American drone killed a prominent Islamic State hacker and online recruiter in Syria even though the militant, a British citizen named Junaid Hussain, had never carried out or ordered a specific attack.

“Conceptually, that’s the same thing we’re trying to do in the cyberworld,” Dunford said Monday.

“The cyberwar seal has been broken in public”, said Peter W Singer of the New America Foundation.

His death raises questions over how the military should respond to hacking and inciting violence online, but Col. Pat Ryder, a spokesman for the U.S. Central Command, told reporters at the Pentagon that Hussain was a high-value target since he held a prominent position in the jihadi group. He “expressed a strong desire to kill Americans and recruit others to kill Americans, and so he was working to inspire lone wolf attacks here in the U.S. and elsewhere.”

While living in the U.K., Hussain was part of the Team Rocket hacker collective, where he unlocked and published personal information from then-Prime Minister Tony Blair. He received a six-month prison sentence as a result, after which he promptly fled the U.K. for Syria. He is thought to be one of the key hackers responsible for taking over the U.S. Central Command’s Twitter and YouTube pages in January, plastering pro-Islamic State messages across the sites for several hours.

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) complained at last week's GOP presidential debate debate that the United States isn't doing enough to beat ISIS in the online propaganda battle. "Every war we have ever been involved in has had a propaganda informational aspect to it," he said. "ISIS is winning the propaganda war."

Operators from the US Cyber Command, the young military command twinned to the National Security Agency, have launched assaults on nodes, overloading them with data, US defense chief Ashton Carter said on Monday.

Both senior officials acknowledged a potential loss of intelligence coming from the assaults on Isis networks the US monitors, but expressed hope that they would press Isis fighters into using more interceptable modes of communications.

In addition to overloading or defacing Isis’s web presence, known as a denial of service attack, and aiming to prevent the uploading or distribution of propaganda, particularly on social media, it is likely that the US Cyber Command is “mapping the people behind networks, their connections and physical locations and then feeding that into targeting on the kinetic side – injecting false info to create uncertainty”, Singer said.

Until recently, however, the military was not authorized to conduct propaganda activities, as they fell within the realm of public diplomacy. The 2016 National Defense Authorization Act contained language allowing the Department of Defense to “develop creative and agile concepts, technologies, and strategies across all available media” for use against the IS.

According to the officials quoted by the LA Times, the White House asked for more cyber-war options following reports that the couple responsible for the terrorist attack in San Bernardino, California became radicalized on the internet and pledged allegiance to IS on social media.

Contrary to those claims, however, is that neither Syed Farook nor Tashfeen Malik posted any public messages in social media regarding their alleged fealty to IS.

“We have found no evidence of a posting on social media by either of them,” said FBI Director James Comey, speaking at a New York police counter-terrorism conference last week. Comey likewise continued to argue for “back door” access to encrypted software, though neither the San Bernardino shooters nor the attackers who killed 130 people in Paris last month used encryption to communicate.

On the other hand, FBI and intelligence officials have resisted efforts to shut down the terrorists’ communications, arguing that doing so would interfere with US efforts to spy on the extremists. Shutting down the internet in Syria and Iraq would also affect US-backed rebels, opposition groups and humanitarian workers, the unnamed officials explained to the Times.

While the US has mapped out the locations of “media centers” where IS produces its propaganda, Washington has been reluctant to bomb them out of fear of civilian casualties, anonymous officials said earlier this month.

Scholars at universities and think tanks who spoke to the media did not believe that going after IS communications was really worth it, either.

“Sitting there trying to play whack-a-mole to knock these communications platforms off can be so complicated and so resource intensive and only marginally effective,” John D. Cohen, a former counter-terrorism official who now teaches at Rutgers University, told the LA Times.

Cutting off messages may appear to be an easy fix for the more complex problem of terrorism, Brookings Institution fellow Will McCants told Mother Jones. “If your policy is out of whack, no amount of messaging is going to fix it,” he added.

Frustrated by the lack of official cyber action, the hacktivist collective Anonymous launched its own “Operation ISIS” against the terror group following the deadly Paris attacks, vowing to out IS supporters and take down their emails, accounts and websites.

“From now on, there is no safe place for you online,” Anonymous declared.

The effort appears to have rattled some Western officials, who suggested the activists ought to leave that sort of thing to professionals.

“It is better, frankly, if Anonymous leaves this type of thing to the authorities of the state who know, frankly, better what the best strategy and the best methodologies are here,” Jamie Shea, NATO deputy assistant secretary general for emerging security challenges, told Euronews.

The collective has developed tools that might be better than any available to world governments to go after IS online, Anonymous representative Alex Poucher told RT.

Lawrence Gilchrist fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Apr 25, 2016

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Oh Don Piano
Nov 4, 2009
Prepare for trouble.

satanic splash-back
Jan 28, 2009

Wow OP, you can use copy then paste!

satanic splash-back
Jan 28, 2009

Kill yourself, OP

Horniest Manticore
Nov 23, 2013

Hello, you!
Lipstick Apathy
i bet matt taibbi has something to say about all this!

SIDS Vicious
Jan 1, 1970


Meowth that's right

Lawrence Gilchrist
Mar 31, 2010

satanic splash-back posted:

Wow OP, you can use copy then paste!


satanic splash-back posted:

Kill yourself, OP

op uses copy

it's not very effective...

givepatajob
Apr 8, 2003

One finds that this is the best of all possible worlds.
My god that's a lot of words. I'm sure they contain interesting and important information.

ClamdestineBoyster
Aug 15, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
You know it's funny how Isis seems to attack something every time the US government is facing a bunch of legal trouble and will likely be exposed on an international/national level.

damn horror queefs
Oct 14, 2005

say hello
say hello to the man in the elevator
The op sure knows a thing or two about drone...ING ON! LOL :classiclol:

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Lawrence Gilchrist posted:

DOD Seeks More Cyber Action with ISIS





Dramatically shifting the types of militants it targets, the Pentagon confirmed that an American drone killed a prominent Islamic State hacker and online recruiter in Syria even though the militant, a British citizen named Junaid Hussain, had never carried out or ordered a specific attack.

“Conceptually, that’s the same thing we’re trying to do in the cyberworld,” Dunford said Monday.

“The cyberwar seal has been broken in public”, said Peter W Singer of the New America Foundation.

His death raises questions over how the military should respond to hacking and inciting violence online, but Col. Pat Ryder, a spokesman for the U.S. Central Command, told reporters at the Pentagon that Hussain was a high-value target since he held a prominent position in the jihadi group. He “expressed a strong desire to kill Americans and recruit others to kill Americans, and so he was working to inspire lone wolf attacks here in the U.S. and elsewhere.”

While living in the U.K., Hussain was part of the Team Rocket hacker collective, where he unlocked and published personal information from then-Prime Minister Tony Blair. He received a six-month prison sentence as a result, after which he promptly fled the U.K. for Syria. He is thought to be one of the key hackers responsible for taking over the U.S. Central Command’s Twitter and YouTube pages in January, plastering pro-Islamic State messages across the sites for several hours.

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) complained at last week's GOP presidential debate debate that the United States isn't doing enough to beat ISIS in the online propaganda battle. "Every war we have ever been involved in has had a propaganda informational aspect to it," he said. "ISIS is winning the propaganda war."

Operators from the US Cyber Command, the young military command twinned to the National Security Agency, have launched assaults on nodes, overloading them with data, US defense chief Ashton Carter said on Monday.

Both senior officials acknowledged a potential loss of intelligence coming from the assaults on Isis networks the US monitors, but expressed hope that they would press Isis fighters into using more interceptable modes of communications.

In addition to overloading or defacing Isis’s web presence, known as a denial of service attack, and aiming to prevent the uploading or distribution of propaganda, particularly on social media, it is likely that the US Cyber Command is “mapping the people behind networks, their connections and physical locations and then feeding that into targeting on the kinetic side – injecting false info to create uncertainty”, Singer said.

Until recently, however, the military was not authorized to conduct propaganda activities, as they fell within the realm of public diplomacy. The 2016 National Defense Authorization Act contained language allowing the Department of Defense to “develop creative and agile concepts, technologies, and strategies across all available media” for use against the IS.

According to the officials quoted by the LA Times, the White House asked for more cyber-war options following reports that the couple responsible for the terrorist attack in San Bernardino, California became radicalized on the internet and pledged allegiance to IS on social media.

Contrary to those claims, however, is that neither Syed Farook nor Tashfeen Malik posted any public messages in social media regarding their alleged fealty to IS.

“We have found no evidence of a posting on social media by either of them,” said FBI Director James Comey, speaking at a New York police counter-terrorism conference last week. Comey likewise continued to argue for “back door” access to encrypted software, though neither the San Bernardino shooters nor the attackers who killed 130 people in Paris last month used encryption to communicate.

On the other hand, FBI and intelligence officials have resisted efforts to shut down the terrorists’ communications, arguing that doing so would interfere with US efforts to spy on the extremists. Shutting down the internet in Syria and Iraq would also affect US-backed rebels, opposition groups and humanitarian workers, the unnamed officials explained to the Times.

While the US has mapped out the locations of “media centers” where IS produces its propaganda, Washington has been reluctant to bomb them out of fear of civilian casualties, anonymous officials said earlier this month.

Scholars at universities and think tanks who spoke to the media did not believe that going after IS communications was really worth it, either.

“Sitting there trying to play whack-a-mole to knock these communications platforms off can be so complicated and so resource intensive and only marginally effective,” John D. Cohen, a former counter-terrorism official who now teaches at Rutgers University, told the LA Times.

Cutting off messages may appear to be an easy fix for the more complex problem of terrorism, Brookings Institution fellow Will McCants told Mother Jones. “If your policy is out of whack, no amount of messaging is going to fix it,” he added.

Frustrated by the lack of official cyber action, the hacktivist collective Anonymous launched its own “Operation ISIS” against the terror group following the deadly Paris attacks, vowing to out IS supporters and take down their emails, accounts and websites.

“From now on, there is no safe place for you online,” Anonymous declared.

The effort appears to have rattled some Western officials, who suggested the activists ought to leave that sort of thing to professionals.

“It is better, frankly, if Anonymous leaves this type of thing to the authorities of the state who know, frankly, better what the best strategy and the best methodologies are here,” Jamie Shea, NATO deputy assistant secretary general for emerging security challenges, told Euronews.

The collective has developed tools that might be better than any available to world governments to go after IS online, Anonymous representative Alex Poucher told RT.

what does this have to do with team rocket im assuming op bolded the funny parts

Lawrence Gilchrist
Mar 31, 2010

Robo Reagan posted:

what does this have to do with team rocket im assuming op bolded the funny parts

MG3
Mar 29, 2016

I hope the government doesnt shoot me with missles for telling people that dogs are better than cats

Lawrence Gilchrist
Mar 31, 2010



flick my Mr. Bean
Nov 18, 2014

Lawrence Gilchrist posted:


“It is better, frankly, if Anonymous leaves this type of thing to the authorities of the state who know, frankly, better what the best strategy and the best methodologies are here,” Jamie Shea, NATO deputy assistant secretary general for emerging security challenges, told Euronews

We don't need these x-freaks running around in spandex fighting our fights. Our boys in blue can handle these mutant nutjobs!

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Stop that guy! He's trying to hack Caprica's defense network!

Lawrence Gilchrist
Mar 31, 2010



Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009
Good. Kill all ISIS sympathizers.

Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Lawrence Gilchrist
Mar 31, 2010


snuggle baby luvs hugs
Aug 30, 2005
Rename d&d The Pentagoon

RadioactiveKid
Aug 12, 2005

Gato Rebelde
we're blasting off again

Lawrence Gilchrist
Mar 31, 2010



I had a flu-induced fever dream and it kind of looked like this thread so i set out to recreate it. i'm done now i guess. anyone else want to take a crack at it, or should it be closed?

SIDS Vicious
Jan 1, 1970


It's bad, Tim

satanic splash-back
Jan 28, 2009

satanic splash-back posted:

Kill yourself, OP

a shiny rock
Nov 13, 2009

do you think obama ever controls the drone himself when they blow up terrorists? i totally would if i was prez

SIDS Vicious
Jan 1, 1970


I'd control the drone and spy on sexy naked ladies who are behind fences haha could you imagine I bet that's what Obama does

Malinois
Jun 13, 2003


Parallax Scroll posted:

do you think obama ever controls the drone himself when they blow up terrorists? i totally would if i was prez

bumper car face

Hector Beerlioz
Jun 16, 2010

aw, hec

Looks like deez nutz are blasting off again!

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
Magnezone does not gently caress around

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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hopefully they do the same to the guy who keeps ddosing playstation network

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzfg0aBE19Y

shirts and skins
Jun 25, 2007

Good morning!
This would be much cooler and better if it was a human dropping a bomb from a fighter jet, instead of a drone. Like we did during the Cold War. Drones are scary!!

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009

MechaFrogzilla posted:

This would be much cooler and better if it was a human dropping a bomb from a fighter jet, instead of a drone. Like we did during the Cold War. Drones are scary!!

Wait until there are Iron Man-like AI bots patrolling the middle east.

Hector Beerlioz
Jun 16, 2010

aw, hec

Hahahehe

a shiny rock
Nov 13, 2009

MechaFrogzilla posted:

This would be much cooler and better if it was a human dropping a bomb from a fighter jet, instead of a drone. Like we did during the Cold War. Drones are scary!!

it would be cooler to be actually there in the jet for sure but its also a lot more hassle. you gotta go to the middle east for one thing

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Feb 22, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

Lawrence Gilchrist posted:



I had a flu-induced fever dream and it kind of looked like this thread so i set out to recreate it. i'm done now i guess. anyone else want to take a crack at it, or should it be closed?

That looks like SEA PATROL headquarters right there.

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