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Teenage Fansub posted:Aww. Not even the Japan and Native American team stories? I really liked the Japan story and that gave me the misguided hope that it'd be more of stuff like that (Batman going to some foreign country and setting up a Batman there) and instead it became a convoluted mess with like, the British superheroes and I'm still not exactly sure about all the Batwoman stuff and how it tied in or didn't. And yeah, the Spyral stuff was even worse. Also again, cyberspace issue was traaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaash.
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Well to be fair you have not read the entire story. The rest of Batman Inc post new 52 does answer some of those questions.
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Jun 6, 2016 22:58
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Look, Toxxupation. Grant Morrison writes convoluted garbage like it's his religion. I don't think you should listen to people telling you to read more Morrison stories so you stop hating his awful writing.
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Jun 6, 2016 22:59
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Toxxupation posted:
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Jun 6, 2016 23:00
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I always got the feeling with the way Batman Inc ended even Grant was tired of it all.
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Jun 6, 2016 23:04
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Madkal posted:I always got the feeling with the way Batman Inc ended even Grant was tired of it all.
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Lurdiak posted:Look, Toxxupation. Grant Morrison writes convoluted garbage like it's his religion. I don't think you should listen to people telling you to read more Morrison stories so you stop hating his awful writing. I think when he's good, he's really, really good; again, really liked Batman and Son/Black Glove/R.I.P., especially the last one (which is probably the best Batman story I've ever read). I just think that as a writer he comes across as self-satisfied and he lapses into his own internal language and themes, so reading his stuff becomes more about translation then comprehension. Which isn't very fun, because then I have to sort of figure out what the gently caress he means, and it's just some prosaic mess of theming. Travis343 posted:Well to be fair you have not read the entire story. The rest of Batman Inc post new 52 does answer some of those questions. Yeah but I'm gonna read Snyder's run first until I hit Batman, Inc's publication date.
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Yeah, I feel like what ever plans Morrison had set up for Batman Inc had to be scrapped and rewritten because of the loving reboot. Morrison's idea was suppose to involving a bunch of character's from Batman's past, even the Outsiders. (Which by the end was basically the dumping ground for characters that DC had zero idea what to do with.) New 52 Happens and all of the sudden A bunch of people from Batman's past are unusable because they never happened. Despite the fact that Inc was a pre 52 story that was going to be allowed to continue in a new continuity. I think there was a few books that wen't into the reboot just continuing as if nothing happened, which gave the impressing that the N52 reboot was really half assed and a desperate attempt to boost sales. I kind of agree with Morrison being sick of it by the end. The ending is Batman being told he's a little boy playing with his toys in his parent's basement. I do want a series of the Native American Batman and Robin though. Batman without the limitless budget and in the country? Yes Please. BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Jun 6, 2016 |
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Jun 6, 2016 23:39
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Toxxupation posted:I think when he's good, he's really, really good; again, really liked Batman and Son/Black Glove/R.I.P., especially the last one (which is probably the best Batman story I've ever read). I just think that as a writer he comes across as self-satisfied and he lapses into his own internal language and themes, so reading his stuff becomes more about translation then comprehension. Which isn't very fun, because then I have to sort of figure out what the gently caress he means, and it's just some prosaic mess of theming. You should read Tomasi's Batman & Robin from the reboot alongside that, it's really good and dovetails nicely with the last bit of Inc. It's the most consistently good Batman book in the reboot and I say that as a horrible Scott Snyder apologist.
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Jun 6, 2016 23:52
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I loved what Batman Inc turned into. I thought it was great having two Batman and Robin series while Snyder was avoiding Damian like the plague. Reading Toxx's impressions, I think he'll like it a lot more than vol. 1. BAT. COW.
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Jun 7, 2016 00:19
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I read Identity Crisis last night for the first time (I think, I have vague memories of some of the scenes but not the story... assume that's because I've seen them elsewhere). Yikes. The random rape scene is just awful and pointless considering where they took (or didn't take) the story. Just... Bleh. I knew it had a reputation but I still expected it to be a bit better than that. Also read Kingdom Come. I'm not a huge Alex Ross fan but it was pretty good.
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Jun 7, 2016 01:16
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Just ran across the issue of Harley where she and power girl end up killing manos, wielder of the infinity rings and suitor of mistress d, and his kids just sit there not giving a poo poo cuz they hate him. Thanos deserves such a fate.
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Lurdiak posted:My favorite issue of Batman Inc is where he goes to Japan with Catwoman and lets her steal some incredibly priceless antlantean diamonds because they melt when taken out of the water so she didn't steal anything after all. it sounds like Catwoman stole a bunch of squand
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Jordan7hm posted:I read Identity Crisis last night for the first time (I think, I have vague memories of some of the scenes but not the story... assume that's because I've seen them elsewhere). Yikes. The random rape scene is just awful and pointless considering where they took (or didn't take) the story. It took Doctor Light to rape city. Did you know he likes to rape? Did you know he was killed by spectre during Rape role play of prostitutes that are dressed like teen titans? Did I mention he likes rape?
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Jun 7, 2016 02:53
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I blame Dr Manhattan.
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bobkatt013 posted:It took Doctor Light to rape city. Did you know he likes to rape? Did you know he was killed by spectre during Rape role play of prostitutes that are dressed like teen titans? Did I mention he likes rape? I thought everyone liked to rape?
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Rhyno posted:I thought everyone liked to rape? It's only okay if you are on a job interview with Hedley Lamarr
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bobkatt013 posted:It took Doctor Light to rape city. Did you know he likes to rape? Did you know he was killed by spectre during Rape role play of prostitutes that are dressed like teen titans? Did I mention he likes rape? But what are his views on Sexual Assault?
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bobkatt013 posted:It took Doctor Light to rape city. Did you know he likes to rape? Did you know he was killed by spectre during Rape role play of prostitutes that are dressed like teen titans? Did I mention he likes rape? It was really weird to go directly from Wildman / Perez Teen Titans, which is the only time I've really ever even heard of Dr Light, to this.
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Jordan7hm posted:It was really weird to go directly from Wildman / Perez Teen Titans, which is the only time I've really ever even heard of Dr Light, to this. My previous exposure to him was an issue in Suicide Squad where he goes to hell and there is a demon and poo poo. It's played for laughs. Then the next time I saw him he was a rapist. It was jarring.
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Having not been much of a DC reader, it was actually the first I saw of him, so there's that. Then there was one of the Superbuddies minis where Sue Dibny is pretending to be pregnant and says something about inviting Dr. Light to the baby shower. (Obviously she was talking about good guy lady Dr. Light but it was still awkwardly funny to read at the time.)
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Endless Mike posted:Having not been much of a DC reader, it was actually the first I saw of him, so there's that.
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CapnAndy posted:That mini was written after Identity Crisis and either after Infinite Crisis or with full knowledge of what happened in it, I forget. All the jokes (in addition to Sue constantly being mistaken for pregnant, there's a bit where Max threatens to shoot Beetle in the head) are 100% intentional. Yeah it was basically the best JLA team going "DC you are dumb." Giffen's later Ambush Bug was a great satire and parody of DC at that time. Azzarello's Dr. 13 mini took the piss out of the DC architects too.
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CapnAndy posted:That mini was written after Identity Crisis and either after Infinite Crisis or with full knowledge of what happened in it, I forget. All the jokes (in addition to Sue constantly being mistaken for pregnant, there's a bit where Max threatens to shoot Beetle in the head) are 100% intentional. In fact, I'm pretty sure that after he heard about the ending of Countdown to Infinite Crisis, Kevin Maguire went back to the last issue of said mini before it went to print and changed the art on the last page to show Blue Beetle and Max Lord sharing a friendly laugh.
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Wheat Loaf posted:In fact, I'm pretty sure that after he heard about the ending of Countdown to Infinite Crisis, Kevin Maguire went back to the last issue of said mini before it went to print and changed the art on the last page to show Blue Beetle and Max Lord sharing a friendly laugh. edit: from the comments below: "He (Maguire) mentions in his Masterworks interview Dan Didio excitedly showed him the art from Countdown to Infinite Crisis of Lord blowing Beetle’s head off and thinking Maguire would dig it like him."
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Hot Take: Zero Year is better than Year One.
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Toxxupation posted:Hot Take: Zero Year is better than Year One. It's not, but it's a solid, long-form story I was expecting much less from initially. Ridder is where Snyder shines, not his oooh, spooooooooky Joker poo poo. The concentrated greatness of Year One over its four issues is a hell of a beast.
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Outside of "Yes father, I shall become a bat" and the dinner scene - which, admittedly, are two of the greatest scenes ever printed in comics - Year One didn't really do much for me. Also I really liked the recontextualization of Bruce Wayne as an angry and very headstrong young man over Year One where he's basically the Dark Knight the instant he arrives in Gotham. Like I really loved his open conflict and disdain he had for both Alfred and Gordon to start with, and Alfred calling him a coward/telling Bruce that he's the Batman to force everyone in Gotham to bear witness to how they abandoned him felt really effective. Also, Bat Blimp.
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Zero Year is absolutely going to go down as one of the best Batman stories ever and probably Snyder's best work. He is still writing Batman so who knows, he might top it, but it doesn't seem likely. I was completely unprepared for it to be as good as it is the first time I read it.
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Toxxupation posted:Outside of "Yes father, I shall become a bat" and the dinner scene - which, admittedly, are two of the greatest scenes ever printed in comics - Year One didn't really do much for me. I'm cool with the Bruce coming back in Y1 being a Bruce has already been doing his globetrotting preparation for his war on crime, so yeah, he's ready to get started. I also still underestimate, every single time, just how much more of a Gordon story it is, overall, and his relationship to his wife is simply crushing. Also, I am struggling to find it online, but it has the single best panel Mazzuchelli ever drew, the perfectly timed moment of Bruce pushing the homeless woman out of the way as Gordon grabs for control of the truck bearing down on them. I could re-read Year One over and over again and never get tired of it. Almost every line hits like a fist, and Mazz just made you feel like Gotham was a real damned place; the cityscapes, the face-work, the cinematic, but not "widescreen" paneling...a pure delight. redbackground fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Jun 7, 2016 |
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Toxxupation posted:Hot Take: Zero Year is better than Year One. But what about Batman: Earth One?
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redbackground posted:Almost every line hits like a fist, and Mazz just made you feel like Gotham was a real damned place; the cityscapes, the face-work, the cinematic, but not "widescreen" paneling...a pure delight. I prefer Capullo to Mazz, gotta say. Also the coloration on Zero Year is just incredible- the encroaching darkness punctuated by so much stark neon giving it a sort of nightmarish fantasy feeling, like a drug trip gone bad.
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Toxxupation posted:I prefer Capullo to Mazz, gotta say. Also the coloration on Zero Year is just incredible- the encroaching darkness punctuated by so much stark neon giving it a sort of nightmarish fantasy feeling, like a drug trip gone bad. The coloring of zero year is probably my favorite part of the whole thing.
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Zero Year is great a top-notch action movie, while Year One is great as character study with action bits (though the action in the "abandoned" building was brilliant and tense). As much flack as Miller gets now, Year One is a masterclass in well paced storytelling. Zero Year is probably the most fun out of the two, but Year One was the better told story in my opinion. Also, it is definitely just as much (if not more) a Gordon story than a Batman story. Also, Bruce wasn't fully formed when he got back to Gotham and made a poo poo load of mistakes. The one that stands out the most was the confronting the thieves on the outside staircase. Also confronting the pimp on the sidewalks and getting stabbed.
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Toxxupation posted:I prefer Capullo to Mazz, gotta say. Also the coloration on Zero Year is just incredible- the encroaching darkness punctuated by so much stark neon giving it a sort of nightmarish fantasy feeling, like a drug trip gone bad. What version of year one did you read? There is one trade were the coloring ruins it.
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Oh my god yeah, that scene in the abandoned building with the swat team is absolutely incredible. I honestly can't decide which one is better.
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Toxx, have you read the other Miller/Mazz team-up, Daredevil: Born Again?bobkatt013 posted:What version of year one did you read? There is one trade were the coloring ruins it. edit, added link. BravestOfTheLamps posted:But what about Batman: Earth One? redbackground fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Jun 7, 2016 |
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Travis343 posted:Oh my god yeah, that scene in the abandoned building with the swat team is absolutely incredible.
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redbackground posted:Toxx, have you read the other Miller/Mazz team-up, Daredevil: Born Again? No. I'm in the middle of New 52 Batman right now, so it'll be a while before I'm reading anything else.
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redbackground posted:Toxx, have you read the other Miller/Mazz team-up, Daredevil: Born Again? gently caress 
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