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StoneOfShame posted:It was perfectly possible for the Soviet Union to be good regarding race but also a a regime that completely violated the human rights of a lot of its population with gulags, using the law as a tool of terror, show trials etc. We shouldn't be aiming to choose one or another but rather striving for something better. Nether Wallop
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El Grillo posted:I mean you're talking about the essential failure of Labour since 2008, the most important issue in the past two elections which was not countered by our side (hence, in large part, our losses). Jeremy should've started mounting an effective media campaign to counter at least 9 months ago, but hasn't. HOW?! How do you suggest he should have started a mass media campaign when the media is intent on spending every loving moment they talk about him (well, 75% of them) denigrating and misrepresenting his positions, when they've not been ignoring them entirely and his own party spent the same amount of time briefing against him? I am genuinely looking for an answer, it's been bugging me since he was elected.
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Aug 2, 2016 18:40
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LeoMarr posted:What are all the MPs that resigned doing? can they just join any party they want now They didn't resign as MPs, they resigned as shadow ministers. They're still MPs. For now.
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Aug 2, 2016 23:58
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Prince John posted:I was slightly worried about that three day gap needed to determine a leader - fortunately the election is being conducted by Electoral Reform Services, so should be no shenanigans. They need to have a chance to badger him into resigning for the good of the party, be reasonable.
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Aug 6, 2016 21:47
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The more progressive the speech the worse the plans. May's speech was proper progressive (for a Tory). We're hosed.
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Aug 7, 2016 13:43
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Interesting to note that Tom Watson wasn't at EMF this year...
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Aug 7, 2016 18:45
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StoneOfShame posted:I suspect if we did the vote would go massively in favour. Same with national service which I reckon would win with support from people to young to have done it but too old to now have to, the arsehole generation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA
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Aug 8, 2016 00:22
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Plus stuffing universities just ends up with an economy in which you have to have a degree to get a mid tier admin job and prices out of the market everyone who doesn't including all those who are perfectly competent thanks to college level education and experience, not to mention a culture among graduates where they all think they're the bees kness and are going to get amazing uberjobs but end up in mid tier admin jobs because that's pretty much all you can get if you're not in a skilled profession and/or don't know the right people.
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Aug 8, 2016 00:28
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Breath Ray posted:it said 'there is no money' It was making a deep philosophical point about how money is a social construct with no inherent value.
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Aug 8, 2016 02:05
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Chocolate Teapot posted:Conversely, I think a pile of books should be thrown at well-to-do arses who crow, "[x] is worth the license fee alone!" Like, rub it in you knobheads. There's basically nothing I really see as being worth the license fee any more, except for the nebulous concept of a public broadcaster generally...
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Aug 8, 2016 22:49
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Cerebral Bore posted:I don't think that Corbs entered the Labour Party back in the sixties in order to push it back to actual socialism, though. Well no in the 60s it was already pretty close to actual socialism having just instituted a pretty effective welfare state and the single best publicly owned publicly funded free healthcare system in the world.
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Aug 9, 2016 20:47
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Namtab posted:Yes, no. Trended. Past loving tense. More so now that the Tories are coming for the consultants now too.
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Aug 9, 2016 23:02
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El Grillo posted:Looks like Unison has done some sort of online ballot of their affiliated political fund members, will be announcing the result tomorrow: https://twitter.com/unisontweets/status/763378157579857920 I couldn't vote in this, but I'm guessing that might be because I'm a Labour member and it would be basically double voting. I think I pay the political contrib still...
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Aug 10, 2016 17:22
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forkboy84 posted:Yes, the only effective trade union in the country needs to be crushed for the sake of all the other unions. Mmmmm, I'm going to have to call bullshit here. I think you'd quickly move on to calling for the next most militant trade union to be crushed, & then the next, until the remaining unions get in line & become utterly ineffectual. I dunno, I get the impression this is actually a legit criticism of the London Underground, in that it's almost impossible to get a job there as a non-union member, and it's not possible to be a union member unless you work there. Closed shops are pretty bad for workers AFAICT, and seem just to end up being a different form of jobs for the boys? I don't think the union should be crushed, but I do think the workplace should be more open to people not currently members of it, so that they can, you know, join.
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Aug 10, 2016 17:55
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Why in the gently caress have both the major union polls had such pitiful turnout? I didn't get to vote in mine, despite the fact that I'm 99% sure I pay the political contrib - could it be because I'm a full Lab member and that renders me ineligible?
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Aug 11, 2016 18:39
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icantfindaname posted:so is Corbyn for real literally the only figure in the Labour Party who's not so ruthlessly Third Way they'd make the Clintons blush? that's the impression i get from this thread Pretty much no. There are a good chunk of lefties, but Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott are the only 3 I know of who have a decent amount of experience and don't have Hitler Tourette's like Livingstone. Given 5 years or so I think the like sof Richard Burgon, Clive Lewis etc could be decent, but they're a bit green atm. Which is why we have to stick this out, to give them a chance to get there.
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Aug 11, 2016 18:45
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Cerv posted:Surely they'd be going off their own internal list and wouldn't know you're a party member. Since ERS are handling the election ballot there's no reason for the party to tell the union anything. Nah I got the email, but I couldn't vote. Maybe I'm not paying the political contrib after all, that would be irritating.
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Wow sometimes the Graun is non-poo poo https://www.facebook.com/theguardian/videos/10154419582956323/
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jabby posted:A little breaking news from the Junior Doctor facebook group. This comes from a member of the JDC committee. I'm with you. Hopefully I'll be able to actually get to a loving picket or demo this time. But I'm starting a new job in October which might make it challenging. But it's in the city centre, so easier access to big protests.
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Aug 11, 2016 22:11
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Mr Dog posted:Is there actually some concrete list of speaking engagements listed out there anywhere because I've tried to do a bunch of Googling so I had something to throw back at people and come up with nothing. Mostly what I've turned up just consists of him being interviewed on telly a couple of times. Prince John posted:Has the contract now been imposed?
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Whether or not the courts have justificiation in changing the NEC's rules, I suspect there's a pretty clear case for false advertising. I don't think it's necessarily a useful one to pursue, though.
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Aug 12, 2016 17:38
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Gammymajams posted:Hi, I'd just like to ask, what is the official rationale the labour party is offering for why people who joined in 2016 can't vote? Basically it boils down to anti-entryism - people don't like the idea that people should be able to sign up and immediately vote, then potentially quit again afterwards. There's a lot of resistance to the registered supporter (£3/25ers) idea for the same reason. It's absolutely necessary on a local level, because branches are small enough that a dude and their family joining up could swing a vote and get a council candidacy (albeit, I'm not sure how that's not the case with a 6 month lag time, if you're really dedicated). But on a national level, it precludes the idea that people might support the party's aims but not its current leadership, and thus only want to contribute significantly if the election of a particular candidate is successful In short, it's about preventing entryism, which is baffling when you're in the middle of one of the sharpest rises in membership in living memory, during a period when all your advertising says 'join to vote for the leader'.
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Aug 12, 2016 18:03
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TomViolence posted:The worst thing Corbyn has done is propagate the loving canard that left-wing politics has to be sportsmanlike to be true to its principles. All this "kinder, gentler" bollocks they use to make rods for his back while playing the dirtiest game possible. There's no sense in playing by the rules or that when the game is so heavily loving rigged. I think the idea of playing by principle appeals to a LOT of people at the moment who've seen just how much politics is hosed up right now. Treating PMQs like an opportunity to ask questions of the PM rather than to speechmake and score juvenile points, saying what he means, not what the focus group says is right or just lying because it sounds good... all of these are appealing after 15 yeahs of bullshit.
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Aug 14, 2016 22:18
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Pissflaps posted:So you're unironically suggesting that Labour really does shift its focus away from being a parliamentary political party? Local Labour parties doing visible good socialism in local communities would go a LONG way and is something I could totally get behind. The PLP can carry on doing Parliament stuff, but mobilising local communities on this kind of community led, community benefitting, visible political work could go a LONG way. If Labour were out helping the homeless in city centres, or running food banks or whatever that would be a Good Thing.
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thespaceinvader posted:Local Labour parties doing visible good socialism in local communities would go a LONG way and is something I could totally get behind. Man I need to work out how to suggest something like this to my branch. There are a shitton of rough sleepers in this city.
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Pissflaps posted:I know you're uncertain but five more years of Tory government in 2020 and Corbyn celebrating the death of the PLP while the useful idiots create new hashtags to commemorate the occasion might bring some clarity. Do you believe that direct charitable action under the banner and brand of a major political party can win votes? Because I suspect it can.
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Aug 15, 2016 00:13
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Oh goddamnit I wasn't really serious when I wondered how long it would be before some brexiting fuckwit said the Olympics was evidence of BRITANE STRONK.
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Praseodymi posted:Jeremy Vine did a bit on this today, he said (paraphrasing) "Jean-Claude Juncker keeps saying how bad we'll do out of Brexit. He's from Luxembourg, I can't even see them on the medal table." I wonder what the medals table would look like if you put the whole of Europe together as a single entity...
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Aug 15, 2016 17:42
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Kegluneq posted:Private Eye has almost as big a hate boner for Corbyn as the Graun, I'm impressed he continues to read both. IIRC he reads all the papers including the Heil. Gotta know what the enemy's thinking.
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Aug 16, 2016 21:52
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tooterfish posted:Is he really this much of a loving idiot? It just seems like cargo culting. They started out cargo culting Blair, now Corbyn has shown there's another way to engage at least some spectrum of people and a significant spectrum of the electorate for this contest, so they're cargo culting that.
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Aug 17, 2016 11:21
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tooterfish posted:He doesn't need a note, he needs this. I dunno about you but I'd far rather Owen Smith not get a competent press officer.
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Aug 17, 2016 14:13
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vodkat posted:As abysmal as these are for labour its not totally surprising. In here job as PM May has blocked chinese spies from melting down power plants and hosed of on holiday, there really isn't much yet (that can't be pawned of as a continuation of the last government) to actually be dissatisfied with. Similarly, I'm not too terribly pissed off with her except for one glaring omission that she didn't replace Hunt. I'm sure there are things that are going on backstage which will piss me right off when they become public knowledge, but mostly right now things have been pretty quiet. I mean, if I was polled I'd probably say I was dissatisfied on principle, so tooterfish posted:I'm just a bit angry that he'd just hand the Tory press that on a plate. Some are already ignoring Corbyn's comments and spinning it as "Labour would negotiate with ISIS!!!11!" He, like the rest of his PLP rebel comrades, needs to do his job or dehumanise himself and face to deselection.
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NRVNQSR posted:"£60.00m overspend" is exactly what the council's budget website calls it, so it seems rather unfair to jump on someone here for their use of the term. There's a cap on increases, there was some discussion in the CLP last year about whether it's worth a local rederencdum to ask about increases - because that's the only way to do it, but it costs a goddamn fortune.
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Aug 18, 2016 13:36
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Especially Labour councils really, really need to spend time pointing out that they are underfunded, not overspending, because it's happening loving everywhere. People judge local councils on how their services run, despite local councils being hosed over by budgets well without their control. E: 18 August 1963: First black person ever to graduate from University of Mississippi.
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OwlFancier posted:The gently caress is with bellend polticians growing lovely facial hair. Come back when you start getting people thinking you're a member of IS you posers. He's never gonna win Beard of the Year with that scrubby mould patch.
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Aug 18, 2016 21:31
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JFairfax posted:yeah, gently caress corbyn for not wanting to start world war III Sadly, Smith's answer on this one is actually better. He said basically the same thing but more succinctly, in a less easily misinterpreted way, and afterwards. You know, he copied Corbyn. As he always does.
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Aug 18, 2016 23:26
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Ant is the tall one. How is this difficult?
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Aug 18, 2016 23:35
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oxford_town posted:"says the same thing as Corbyn, but more succinctly and less easily misinterpeted way" is a pretty good strategy tbh. It would be if he believed it and hadn't made it transparently obvious that he's doing it in the most venal and insincere manner possible.
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Hoops posted:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/19/heidi-alexander-corbyn-resign-shadow-cabinet This doesn't seem to have even a shred of substance to it. I mean, that one woman had cancer, the other could point to flaws in how things were set up and messaging issues but this is just 'I don't like Corbyn because the Shadow Cabinet was poo poo'.
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