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That was really good. Certainly a lot of it was setup without complete payoff, but it was way better than last season's premiere. Lots of stuff going on here, not just a one-joke episode; although there was the one "main" plot about the national anthem to keep things feeling somewhat cohesive. The unexpected transformation of the 'member berries from pop culture nostalgia to 'Merica nostalgia was... well, potentially genius. I guess I'm cautiously optimistic that they will develop it into something really poignant. Some of last season seemed like it was going to make a really interesting point but it ended up not really doing much beyond the surface. EDIT: Oh, I liked the little hidden joke about the correct emphasis/pronunciation of "Skankhunt" too. Also I find it funny how outraged people get that Trey & Matt didn't basically flash a message on the screen saying "DON'T VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP" as if they have a social responsibility to instruct everybody how to vote in the current election. Also, as if they didn't basically show Trump being raped to death last season. Sir Lemming fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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My Q-Face posted:Trump's is twice as long but Hillary includes paternal leave as well. Nope. Hillary is promising 12 weeks to Trump's 6.
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Aliquid posted:linking over-reliance on nostalgia to ring-wing thought via the 'memberberries was more astute than i usually give matt and trey credit for so i was really impressed with this episode Sir Lemming posted:Also I find it funny how outraged people get that Trey & Matt didn't basically flash a message on the screen saying "DON'T VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP" as if they have a social responsibility to instruct everybody how to vote in the current election. Also, as if they didn't basically show Trump being raped to death last season.
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I get a laugh out of South Park taking a shot at a comedian CC essentially created. Wasn't Amy Schumer's big break her appearance in the first Roast she was in? All I remember is she wound up with a stand-up special which was basically "being raunchy and saying vagina a lot".
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CBJSprague24 posted:I get a laugh out of South Park taking a shot at a comedian CC essentially created. Wasn't Amy Schumer's big break her appearance in the first Roast she was in? All I remember is she wound up with a stand-up special which was basically "being raunchy and saying vagina a lot". They had an entire episode making fun of Comedy Central's comedy awards thing a while back. Matt & Trey are not really on a tight leash. I wonder what the network even objects to anymore.
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Sep 15, 2016 15:11
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:SomethingAwful shoutout. What?
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Nichael posted:They had an entire episode making fun of Comedy Central's comedy awards thing a while back. Matt & Trey are not really on a tight leash. I wonder what the network even objects to anymore.
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Nichael posted:I'm not outraged, I just think the douche and turd narrative wasn't particularly funny or compelling twelve years ago, and it's even less so now. Trump is a uniquely horrible and funny person, and applying DVT to him and Clinton is strikes me as lazy. It was still a good episode though. It was literally an episode about nostalgia, about rebooting old ideas that everybody knows. That's the whole point about nostalgia: things were never as good as you remember. DvT was never really that funny, but everyone remembers it and as such it was a solid joke.
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Nichael posted:They had an entire episode making fun of Comedy Central's comedy awards thing a while back. Matt & Trey are not really on a tight leash. I wonder what the network even objects to anymore. The content of that one episode they ran once and probably never will again is a good starting point. I never got to see 200. 
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Vegetable posted:They would probably object most to Trey and Matt ending the show With Stewart and Colbert and Chappelle long gone, the network would probably die without M&T. South Park and Tosh.0 are probably the only shows people watch regularly any more and you can find a half-dozen 'gnarly YouTube clip' shows on other networks.
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Good episode, hopefully setting up for a good season. Last season was one of the more disappointing ones for me. More importantly, did no one notice that Garrison said "somethingawful", twice I believe?!
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My Q-Face posted:With Stewart and Colbert and Chappelle long gone, the network would probably die without M&T. South Park and Tosh.0 are probably the only shows people watch regularly any more and you can find a half-dozen 'gnarly YouTube clip' shows on other networks. I watched @Midnight as much as I could for its first 4-5 months (after thinking it was some sort of gimmick commercial which aired at "11:59:59" and realizing it was an actual game show), but got burned out and have watched like twice since. (e- Come to think of it, @Midnight was the final dagger in me watching Tosh because I'd gotten tired of it and @Midnight was a more fun twist on the same stuff.) The Burn With Jeff Ross was the only other show I watched regularly, but it disappeared in favor of CC's "next attempt at catching lightning in a bottle with a skit show like we had with Chappelle's Show PLEASE WATCH". CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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NutritiousSnack posted:She put classified info on a public server because she an idiot. Likewise, much like most powerful people, when she broke the law out of ineptitude rather than maliciousness she wasn't even given a slap on the wrist, even though she tried to cover it up at all costs (like smashing all her electronic devices with hammers and using purging software when the FBI came a knocking). I suggest reading anything by any legal expert, especially the Popehat people who are anti Trump as hell and you can read about his legal woes as bonus).  and  You know you're in TVIV, right? On an unrelated note, I initially had no idea where they were going with the member?-berries, but then it struck me like a Conan sketch. I figured it was going to have something to do with JJ Abrams, but then they're racist...?  I'm also getting the vibe the episode set up a lot of larger stuff, kinda curious for that.
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Nichael posted:I'm not outraged, I just think the douche and turd narrative wasn't particularly funny or compelling twelve years ago, and it's even less so now. Trump is a uniquely horrible and funny person, and applying DVT to him and Clinton is strikes me as lazy. It was still a good episode though. You're not wrong, but like it or not, it is a pretty accurate reflection of how people currently feel about this election. I guess there's always a fine line between reflecting and reinforcing, but I saw it as more of the former. 12 years ago it was more of an exaggeration; this year it's pretty much just factually how people feel. And though I don't feel both sides are equally wrong/bad in this case, both sides are equally prone to making impotently incredulous outbursts -- "I can't believe _____ would vote for _____!" There's some kind of humor to be found in that. Sir Lemming fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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My Q-Face posted:It was literally an episode about nostalgia, about rebooting old ideas that everybody knows. That's the whole point about nostalgia: things were never as good as you remember. DvT was never really that funny, but everyone remembers it and as such it was a solid joke. Yeah, that's a good point actually. I admittedly missed it while watching.
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Personally I love the phrase 'Member Berries, but the funniest reference was the very first one when Congress is pleading with JJ Abrams to redo the national anthem. "We want to 'member!" The desperate delivery of that line out of nowhere was one of the biggest laughs of the episode for me. I'm surprised to see so many negative reactions to this episode in general, I thought it was really strong.
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An oral history of South Park, courtesy of The Hollywood Reporter Cool read, with bonus youtube video of the original Santa vs. Jesus pilot, in which Stan sounds suspiciously like modern-day Cartman. The Isaac Hayes stuff in there is particularly revelatory. Isaac Hayes's son posted:Isaac Hayes did not quit South Park; someone quit South Park for him. What happened was that in January 2006 my dad had a stroke and lost the ability to speak. He really didn't have that much comprehension, and he had to relearn to play the piano and a lot of different things. He was in no position to resign under his own knowledge. At the time, everybody around my father was involved in Scientology — his assistants, the core group of people. So someone quit South Park on Isaac Hayes' behalf. We don't know who. Matt posted:We sort of figured out the whole picture a bit later, but that's totally what happened. Trey posted:But we knew in our hearts there was something way more rotten going on.
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If 50% of the group did not like Jews it could be such a different show. Kenny and alot of children used to die in each episode.
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The funniest part was Cartman looking in the toilet.
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Sir Lemming posted:The unexpected transformation of the 'member berries from pop culture nostalgia to 'Merica nostalgia was... well, potentially genius. I guess I'm cautiously optimistic that they will develop it into something really poignant. Thinking about it, I think that's why Gerald being the rear end in a top hat behind everything works. They easily could have made it Cartman because being an online shitlord is something he'd do, but in this context, it wouldn't make sense. It boils down to the fact that the only people eating the memberberries are adults. Cartman might think the new Ghostbusters is trash, but he's not offended by its existence enough to lash out at girls online and all that because a nine-year-old boy doesn't care about nostalgia. It's like that episode with the town flag where the kids were just blind to the controversy because they're kids. But some of the angry nostalgic reactions to, say, the new Mary Jane Watson in the next Spider-Man movie does have connotations similar to "Make America Great Again."
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TheFattestPat posted:Wasn't expecting Gerald to be the internet troll. But then...what is Cartman really up to? I think he really is trying to be more progressive. Not because he gives a poo poo about women or minorities or anything like that, but because he doesn't want to get his rear end kicked. Carman may be cruel and selfish, but when he pulls his head out of his rear end he's smart enough to know when something bad is about to happen. This Skankhunter thing is pissing a LOT of people off, and one of those people (Wendy) has already beat him up once before and he sure as Hell doesn't want that to happen again. So he really is trying to appear nicer to women so women won't kill him for going too far, but it's not working (even though he's innocent this time) because he's been such a giant douche in the past that everyone suspects him anyway.
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Glad to make it on time to start watching and discussing this new season with you guys! I liked the last one, and made me go and check out the other seasons. If they're going again for an over-arching storyline, I feel it will deal with divisiveness/polarizing. Not only with the obvious political Hillary/Trump one, but also with more recent sexism and racism issues. The Member Berries touch perfectly on how nostalgia for the past is more of a feel than an objective truth, since all those things you remember had to be new to you at that point. So it's not that the new things are worse, but that your self has changed and your feelings along with it. Gavok posted:But some of the angry nostalgic reactions to, say, the new Mary Jane Watson in the next Spider-Man movie does have connotations similar to "Make America Great Again." "She's not a redhead! Not my Mary Jane!"  I also liked how all J.J. Abrams did to change the hymn was to make it so that any action you do during it is inoffensive. Like how the new Star Wars is a re-tread of Episode IV, but with a more diverse cast and hitting heavily on nostalgia. Space Cadet Omoly posted:I think he really is trying to be more progressive. Not because he gives a poo poo about women or minorities or anything like that, but because he doesn't want to get his rear end kicked. Carman may be cruel and selfish, but when he pulls his head out of his rear end he's smart enough to know when something bad is about to happen. This Skankhunter thing is pissing a LOT of people off, and one of those people (Wendy) has already beat him up once before and he sure as Hell doesn't want that to happen again. So he really is trying to appear nicer to women so women won't kill him for going too far, but it's not working (even though he's innocent this time) because he's been such a giant douche in the past that everyone suspects him anyway. Nah, he's totally trying to benefit from all of it. Cartman knows that people are polarizing not only because of the election, but so many other issues. He's not a progressive, he just wants to be in a good position when the issues reach their peak, and the Democrats vs Republicans/Men vs Women/Americans vs Immigrants/ Toilet paper inside vs outside war breaks out.
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Sep 15, 2016 22:46
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Gavok posted:Cartman might think the new Ghostbusters is trash Cartman is totally behind Ghostbusters 2016 though, as well as remake culture. He outrights says "Women are Funny. Get Over it." from the NYT review of it constantly. Cartman is PC now and that's a trait carried over from last reason. The PC Priincpal is defending him outright as opposed to last season. There is a reason he's trying to hock poo poo to women or kids even younger than him complete with his "reboot" fairy tale or and him desperately to avoid a "gender war". He realized he could profit from disingenuous wokeness even more easily than racism, as it more easily avoids having to admit more serious issues are going on in the world, hence the lame liberal solution at the end destroying people's very ability to protest at the end, as to put it out of mind by making it socially acceptable and the act of rebellion pointless by the commercialization of it. The thing is the rise of people like Garrison, or Kyle's dad, or the 'darker side' of member berries while creating that opportunity in the first place, is now stripping the ability of that to be effective or profitable. It's becoming dangerous to be "woke" or racist and it's scaring the poo poo out of someone like Cartman and going leading to bigger problems as the season progresses.
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Sep 15, 2016 22:53
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Anyone else notice that when Cartman was giving his speech he was speaking like PC Principal?
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NutritiousSnack posted:Cartman is totally behind Ghostbusters 2016 though, as well as remake culture. He outrights says "Women are Funny. Get Over it." from the NYT review of it constantly. Cartman is PC now and that's a trait carried over from last reason. The PC Priincpal is defending him outright as opposed to last season. There is a reason he's trying to hock poo poo to women or kids even younger than him complete with his "reboot" fairy tale or and him desperately to avoid a "gender war". I thought it was pretty clear that he was being facetious because he then puts a bunch of the girls on the spot, knowing they're not prepared to "be funny" on command for him. I didn't read that as him actually feeling that way at all. Though I did find it funny that, for some loving reason, Cartman was put in front of the entire student body and given a microphone. The fact that we dont' know the context for that makes it even funnier to me. And if they provided context and I just missed it, don't tell me. It's better this way. Oh and I'd also like to say that Colin Kaepernick switching back and forth between standing and kneeling while looking frustrated was very funny.
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I'm not feeling it. It might just be because that was a political episode and due to M&Ts stupid ideology those always tend to be terrible. But there is no indication that the rest of the season (at least before election day) would be any different.
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MiddleOne posted:What? Yeah, there wasn't one timp posted:I thought it was pretty clear that he was being facetious because he then puts a bunch of the girls on the spot, knowing they're not prepared to "be funny" on command for him. I didn't read that as him actually feeling that way at all. One of Trey and Stone's ongoing gags that swing from funny as hell to just untrue, is whether a certain group of people or a typical liberal stance is genuine or not. Cartman definitely isn't genuine in his beliefs, he tried that stunt with vagina with balls on his face in an effort to switch sides once it became clear the girls wouldn't support him, and then switched back to being "woke' in an instant. This case Cartman is the comedian or critic pretending to being PC while PC is in, while being a massive racist/bigot. He isn't making fun of BLM, but their Twitter sponsors NutritiousSnack fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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NutritiousSnack posted:Cartman is totally behind Ghostbusters 2016 though, as well as remake culture. He outrights says "Women are Funny. Get Over it." from the NYT review of it constantly. Cartman is PC now and that's a trait carried over from last reason. The PC Priincpal is defending him outright as opposed to last season. There is a reason he's trying to hock poo poo to women or kids even younger than him complete with his "reboot" fairy tale or and him desperately to avoid a "gender war". Well that's why I liked all the little girls getting angry and turning off the tv when the national anthem was played. It's status quo bullshit but clouded by acceptance. They're ignoring the actual problem and just hand waving real issues. The girls have a valid complaint and everyone has made it about standing or sitting, or a douche and a turd sandwich.
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The_Rob posted:Well that's why I liked all the little girls getting angry and turning off the tv when the national anthem was played. It's status quo bullshit but clouded by acceptance. They're ignoring the actual problem and just hand waving real issues. The girls have a valid complaint and everyone has made it about standing or sitting, or a douche and a turd sandwich. As usual though South Park watchers will co-opt the show to fit whatever political narrative is in their head. Not unlike South Park's version of Congress.
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Vegetable posted:The girls do care about the sitting v standing protests, as they were themselves sitters at their volleyball game. They don't see it as antithetical to "valid complaints," contrary to what you're implying. I think I worded it a little wrong but my point was that yes the girls did care about the protest. What they were angry about was that the new national anthem broke down their valid and complex complaints into the most base idea ever of sitting vs standing. The liberals feel good because everyone is being represented and the conservatives feel good because no one is disrespecting the song. It doesn't actually help or solve anything though. What they are experiencing is still happening but now the conversation won't even be had because it was "fixed".
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Obviously they turned off the TV because it was their bedtime. Reading so much into a cartoon, smh
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Just because this season is doing some political poo poo doesn't mean this thread is the place for political discussion. Nobody wants to hear your "expert" analysis.
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Sep 16, 2016 02:00
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Pretty dull episode, but I guess that just goes with the increasing serialization. Just a table-setting episode.
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The_Rob posted:I think I worded it a little wrong but my point was that yes the girls did care about the protest. What they were angry about was that the new national anthem broke down their valid and complex complaints into the most base idea ever of sitting vs standing. The liberals feel good because everyone is being represented and the conservatives feel good because no one is disrespecting the song. It doesn't actually help or solve anything though. What they are experiencing is still happening but now the conversation won't even be had because it was "fixed". More like that their protest was invalidated by removing the means to protest and making all actions respectful. The sitting vs. standing was the mob mentality prior to that. The problem is that they don't have a valid complaint, or at the very least they are letting a valid complaint be subsumed by unimportant minutiae. They are protesting because Eric Cartman wasn't being punished, someone we know to be innocent (for once.) The whole thing was weirdly out of touch where PC Principal acted like his hands were tied unless he knew who Skankhunt was, but all they really need to do is learn how to IP ban.
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Pretty good episode. Lots of relevant things and I want to see where they are going with memberberries. That said, I do kind of miss the "old South Park" in terms of stuff being confined to one episode and focusing mainly on one topic.muscles like this? posted:Just because this season is doing some political poo poo doesn't mean this thread is the place for political discussion. Nobody wants to hear your "expert" analysis. I don't know about that. I mean CSPAM and D&D have very informed and high quality political opinions.
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Pretty sure they turned off the TV because 49ers/Panthers is going to be a bloodbath and they wanted to watch Pewdiepie.
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The_Rob posted:The liberals feel good because everyone is being represented and the conservatives feel good because no one is disrespecting the song. It doesn't actually help or solve anything though. What they are experiencing is still happening but now the conversation won't even be had because it was "fixed". Pretty much. Social positions and protest made forgettable/unimportant to continue on a status quo people pretend to want because of nostalgia
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