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Overlord K
Jun 14, 2009
I kind of expected them to never show what Souta looks like normally now that he's older but then they went and put him in the mid episode stat screen, so there goes that. :v:

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Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

I can make you
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Sneak peek of episode 3 is up, and it looks like Magicaloid 44 is finally going to show up! :awesomelon:

Raenir Salazar posted:

I like the character of Souta a lot. It strikes me as something genuinely inclusive about non-binary gender stuff, the show earns a lot of goodwill from me even if Souta probably gets it. :(

The scenes where Souta and Koyuki sit around and chat about being a magical girl have been some of my favorites so far.

Kytrarewn
Jul 15, 2011

Solving mysteries in
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Huh...

So they put the whole "dead" thing right into the open like that, huh? I thought it would have been more interesting to see them work it out over a couple episodes, but I guess they're getting right to the point. That's not a bad thing. What surprises me is that they also didn't waste any time with any sort of build-up to the first open murder plot, like "OK, vassals, give me all your candies and I will distribute them evenly to ensure that none of us dies this week."

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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Cat's out of the bag, and they're already turning on each other. I have a sneaking suspicion that Cranberry had that conversation with Fav knowing the other girls would find it.

I'm really enjoying Top Speed's happy-go-lucky attitude, which is a really bad sign of things to come.

Magicaloid 44 finally shows up, and she is a cold-blooded little robot. It's an even split over who's going to stab who in the back between her and Calamity Mary.

You can tell La Pucelle is a boy from the way she sits. Speaking of La Pucelle, she raised so many death flags when she made that promise to Snow White.

It's clear now that Swim Swim was the girl Nemurin was talking to in the last dream she visited.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
Huh, really didn't expect Ruler to be amoral in her desire to be a good Princess, or should we say "Prince" as written by Machiavelli.

Snow White's main power is that she can read minds for cries of help right? She doesn't have a particularly combat oriented kit. :ohdear:

La Pucelles tail being super expressive was nice.

esselfortium
Jul 19, 2006

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Raenir Salazar posted:

Snow White's main power is that she can read minds for cries of help right? She doesn't have a particularly combat oriented kit. :ohdear:

Mindreading seems like it could become pretty combat-oriented.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

esselfortium posted:

Mindreading seems like it could become pretty combat-oriented.

Sure, if it can read anything other than "Help me!" If she can adapt it to be basically precognition sure.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I forget, was her power being able to hear people in need? Or was it to listen the the desires and intentions of those around her?

Allarion
May 16, 2009

がんばルビ!

PerrineClostermann posted:

I forget, was her power being able to hear people in need? Or was it to listen the the desires and intentions of those around her?

She hears anyone who is in distress

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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She's also magically strong.



That doesn't mean she's a good fighter, of course.

Kytrarewn
Jul 15, 2011

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PerrineClostermann posted:

I forget, was her power being able to hear people in need? Or was it to listen the the desires and intentions of those around her?

I thought the former. Of course, she hasn't yet been put in mortal danger, so it's an open question as to whether or not she could avoid her own peril.

Command Ant posted:

She's also magically strong.



That doesn't mean she's a good fighter, of course.

Can magical strength hurt other magical girls though? Magical spells and weapons could easily be argued as being a different category altogether from just swinging normal objects a bit harder.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
I assume yes, basically as long as her fists have a +1 modifier on them which magical strength should provide.

As her her being stronger/faster, I'm assuming this is the case for all of them though; however if instead she's actually a good deal faster/stronger than anyone else because they have more unique and powerful abilities that could both work in her favor and make sense.

Cialis Railman
Apr 20, 2007

Kytrarewn posted:

I thought the former. Of course, she hasn't yet been put in mortal danger, so it's an open question as to whether or not she could avoid her own peril.


Can magical strength hurt other magical girls though? Magical spells and weapons could easily be argued as being a different category altogether from just swinging normal objects a bit harder.

I thought the witch girl mentioned in ep. 2 that if they use their powers on other magical girls they would get hurt? It was during the flashback conversation with the ninja girl.

e: Yeah, it's around the 9-minute mark in episode 2.

Kytrarewn
Jul 15, 2011

Solving mysteries in
Bb, F and D.

Cialis Railman posted:

I thought the witch girl mentioned in ep. 2 that if they use their powers on other magical girls they would get hurt? It was during the flashback conversation with the ninja girl.

e: Yeah, it's around the 9-minute mark in episode 2.

Right- I get that. The question is what counts as "use of powers on other magical girls?".

I'll give you a better example. SnowWhite falls off of her radio tower. She presumably lands, unhurt. Top Speed, using her magical powers, flies Snow White up to the same height as the tower, and drops her. Is she injured upon landing, or not? Clearly, that's offensive use of Top Speed's powers, but I'd be hard pressed to say that one should cause damage while the other doesn't in most magic systems. What if she were flown to twice the height of the tower and dropped over a harder surface? Much more damage would be caused in the absence of invulnerability, but the system isn't described as being some sort of damage threshold, just "You get hurt by magical bullets".

Cialis Railman
Apr 20, 2007

Kytrarewn posted:

Right- I get that. The question is what counts as "use of powers on other magical girls?".

I'll give you a better example. SnowWhite falls off of her radio tower. She presumably lands, unhurt. Top Speed, using her magical powers, flies Snow White up to the same height as the tower, and drops her. Is she injured upon landing, or not? Clearly, that's offensive use of Top Speed's powers, but I'd be hard pressed to say that one should cause damage while the other doesn't in most magic systems. What if she were flown to twice the height of the tower and dropped over a harder surface? Much more damage would be caused in the absence of invulnerability, but the system isn't described as being some sort of damage threshold, just "You get hurt by magical bullets".

I see what you're trying to say. Yeah, given your example, it's kinda confusing how that'd affect someone. Hopefully they explain it a bit in the next episode.

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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Kytrarewn posted:

Right- I get that. The question is what counts as "use of powers on other magical girls?".

I'll give you a better example. SnowWhite falls off of her radio tower. She presumably lands, unhurt. Top Speed, using her magical powers, flies Snow White up to the same height as the tower, and drops her. Is she injured upon landing, or not? Clearly, that's offensive use of Top Speed's powers, but I'd be hard pressed to say that one should cause damage while the other doesn't in most magic systems. What if she were flown to twice the height of the tower and dropped over a harder surface? Much more damage would be caused in the absence of invulnerability, but the system isn't described as being some sort of damage threshold, just "You get hurt by magical bullets".

In this situation, I imagine that Top Speed would probably have to throw or drive her into the ground in order for it to do any actual damage. Maybe she would carry her up and then do some fancy move where she smacks her down with her broom in the middle of the air.

Now you've got me wondering what a fighting game based around this anime would look like.

coolskull
Nov 11, 2007

i can't remember who first raised this idea, but i assumed they would keep the death thing hush hush. it made so much sense to me that the fact that they aren't seems absurd.

i don't get the transferring candies thing. are they going to take snow white's magic smartphone (which does not have a magic password?) seems a bit simple.

while i'm bullshitting, it would be interesting if the angel twins weren't related in real life. just magical blood sisters.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
I think the problem in that example is if you drop her, she can land with her feet.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
I don't think they're actually immune to everything except other magical girls, so much as they're so tough and fast that other magical girls are the only thing they're likely to encounter with a realistic chance of hurting them. I don't think they'd be unharmed if they were at the center of a nuclear explosion or anything like that.

Desuwa
Jun 2, 2011

I'm telling my mommy. That pubbie doesn't do video games right!
I was just in the middle of wondering if they could share candies when the announcement came through.

This show moves really fast, I expected more episodes before all the girls even knew the truth. Then I was expecting either a team to share candies amongst themselves and have two or three girls knocked out at once or someone to sacrifice themselves for another before the mugging/killing started. Ruler is vicious.

My money is on Snow White getting robbed and La Pucelle transferring all of her candies at the last second.

Don't die Top Speed. :pray:




This thread made me finally get around to Yuuki Yuuna and it was great.

coolskull
Nov 11, 2007

waiting for confirmation that calamity mary is actually working to undermine fav and is secretly an ally

Gyra_Solune
Apr 24, 2014

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Demicol
Nov 8, 2009

Desuwa posted:

My money is on Snow White getting robbed and La Pucelle transferring all of her candies at the last second

I don't think they will kill off La Pucelle this early on, if at all. I bet she is gonna either be a heroic sacrifice near the end to ensure Snow White wins or survive the whole way trough so they somehow manage to end the whole process. Or the other way around.

Spoilering the speculation just in case someone who hasn't watched the episode yet stumbles in (why would you do that though)

Condiv
May 7, 2008

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Or, for the grimmest darkest scenario, la pucelle survives to the end and sacrifices herself to leave snow white as the one true meguka. Doing so breaks Snow White and she lashes out in vain against that dumb mascot just to get herself discontinued.

coolskull
Nov 11, 2007

Well, I think this turned out better. Would rather see La Pucelle's inevitable death given more weight when the numbers thin out.

I can't tell if the explanation of Ruler's power was meant as a red herring or not. Seemed pretty clear that if she was going to die that way, it would be much later.

The impression I get is that Ruler used her power to make Swim Swim admire her, but didn't bother to do so with the other lackeys? Her power is only supposed to last as long as she's casting, but maybe projecting strong enough thoughts into someone leaves a lasting impression.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
I can't tell if La Pucelle and Snow White is yuri or not, I'm confused. :v:

LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:

Well, I think this turned out better. Would rather see La Pucelle's inevitable death given more weight when the numbers thin out.

I can't tell if the explanation of Ruler's power was meant as a red herring or not. Seemed pretty clear that if she was going to die that way, it would be much later.

The impression I get is that Ruler used her power to make Swim Swim admire her, but didn't bother to do so with the other lackeys? Her power is only supposed to last as long as she's casting, but maybe projecting strong enough thoughts into someone leaves a lasting impression.

I think it's clear that Ruler bullied the Twins into following her through a show of force; which is why they're constantly bad mouthing her. Earthquake Paws could probably be intimidated by a scary looking rock.

Swims probably did admire her genuinely, I'm assuming admiration turned to envy with Dream Girl's prodding; magic would probably be the probable explanation given it seems rather sudden or people picked to be magical girls aren't too mentally healthy to begin with.

Like, Sayaka in Madoka Magica had a fairly well paced build up to her snapping, I didn't see this with Swims, so I am a little confused.

I feel sorry for Ruler Office Lady, clearly she was shat on by society at large and that chip on her shoulder was probably largely justified even if her performance in highschool gave her perhaps an unrealistic impression of obvious her self worth is.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:

Well, I think this turned out better. Would rather see La Pucelle's inevitable death given more weight when the numbers thin out.

I can't tell if the explanation of Ruler's power was meant as a red herring or not. Seemed pretty clear that if she was going to die that way, it would be much later.

The impression I get is that Ruler used her power to make Swim Swim admire her, but didn't bother to do so with the other lackeys? Her power is only supposed to last as long as she's casting, but maybe projecting strong enough thoughts into someone leaves a lasting impression.

I don't think it's due to her power, I think she just made a strong impression on Swim Swim.

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

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Et tu, Swim Swim? :hist101:

I knew who it was going to be, but the buildup and the reveal were really good. That poor woman spent the last moments of her life surrounded by people who were happy she was dying, and the only person in the world who cared about her was the one who set her up.

There was more blood this time than with Nemurin.

Raenir Salazar posted:

Swims probably did admire her genuinely, I'm assuming admiration turned to envy with Dream Girl's prodding; magic would probably be the probable explanation given it seems rather sudden or people picked to be magical girls aren't too mentally healthy to begin with.

Snow White and La Pucelle are the only two who we can say are well-adjusted. Top Speed is good-hearted, but we know that she's a former delinquent. We haven't seen enough of Sister Nana or Weiss to know what they're like, other than that they're really close. The Angels and Tama may have just had the bad luck of falling under Ruler's thumb, and that probably changed them for the worse. We're probably going to learn something about Swim Swim's home life that explains why she's the way she is, and we already know that Ripple isn't on speaking terms with her mother. God knows what Calamity Mary's normal life is like, and the new girl already has 'obsessed stalker' written all over her. I can't even begin to make a guess on Magicaloid 44, but she's already shown herself to be pretty unsympathetic to the others.

It wouldn't surprise me if the selection process wasn't random. I still suspect that Cranberry is pulling some strings in the background.

Alpha Kenny Juan
Apr 11, 2007

I don't know if they showed it on this episode or not(my fault for reading the thread before watching the ep), but the ep before had Swim Swim's bio where it said that she admired princesses or something along those lines. The admiration was there before Ruler was around.

coolskull
Nov 11, 2007

The main reason I thought of it was that princess-loving monologue starts right as she's being Ruled Over for no apparent reason. I suppose that could just be a visual metaphor to illustrate her admiration, but I'm not ruling anything out.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
Ruler becomes a lot less sympathetic when you remember that she's a grown-rear end adult who tried to kill two 8th-graders.

Come to think of it, this show breaks the convention in magical girls shows (and some similar fantasy battle anime) that the characters with superpowers are mostly around the same age (e.g., all the magical girls in Madoka are ~14). I suppose if boys can be magical girls, there's no reason women can't be magical girls too, but it has the effect of making the 20-somethings seem immature and/or shockingly cruel. (Something similar was done deliberately for comedic effect with Claw in Mob Psycho 100.)

Homura and Sickle
Apr 21, 2013
i'm assuming the cowgirl themed one is older too because she pulls from a jack daniels way too well to be a teenager

unless thats her power

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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this episode was a mess. where in time did the calamity mary scene happen? it doesn't look like anyone left the room after she was announced as the loser, but then we have that calamity mary scene...

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Condiv posted:

this episode was a mess. where in time did the calamity mary scene happen? it doesn't look like anyone left the room after she was announced as the loser, but then we have that calamity mary scene...

I'm pretty sure the Calamity Mary scene was a flashback to when Ruler first became a magical girl.

Cialis Railman
Apr 20, 2007

I can't believe I was about to drop this show. This episode was really good. I do kinda feel sorry for Ruler, but she brought it upon herself by pushing everyone on her side away.

I wonder when Snow White'll begin her descent. She and La Pucelle are still playing Cardcaptors while everyone else is playing Game of Thrones. :v:

Homura and Sickle
Apr 21, 2013

Silver2195 posted:

I'm pretty sure the Calamity Mary scene was a flashback to when Ruler first became a magical girl.

Yeah it specifically stated that calamity mary being a crazy unstable alcoholic was the impetus for getting followers


Cialis Railman posted:

I can't believe I was about to drop this show. This episode was really good. I do kinda feel sorry for Ruler, but she brought it upon herself by pushing everyone on her side away.

I wonder when Snow White'll begin her descent. She and La Pucelle are still playing Cardcaptors while everyone else is playing Game of Thrones. :v:
yeah i really liked this episode and am glad the candy system provides for creative ways they can gently caress eachother over rather than it just being a straight murderfest

Gyra_Solune
Apr 24, 2014

Kyun kyun
Kyun kyun
Watashi no kare wa louse

Command Ant posted:

It wouldn't surprise me if the selection process wasn't random. I still suspect that Cranberry is pulling some strings in the background.

yes, you can clearly see that Cranberry is pulling strings very often in the background, ohohohohoho (i swear to god if that's actually the joke)

drat tho. swim swim struck me as obvious cannon fodder but no. do not gently caress with swim swim. the setup of the show had me worried a lot of characters would just, be there, mostly to get killed early, especially Ruler's followers but just like with Mayoiga i was wrong. i was actually thinking the direction they were taking with Ruler was 'she actually genuinely cares about her followers but her own mistakes cause some of them to die and she has to deal with that', i didn't think she'd be offed like that, I was sure it was going to be La Pucelle doing a noble sacrifice and that's what'd bring Snow White to partner up with Ripple like all the main promo art and OP clearly points to. particularly since La Pucelle reminds me a lot of Mami even though this show isn't actually as blatantly 'i wish i was Madoka' as I thought it might be

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Gyra_Solune posted:

yes, you can clearly see that Cranberry is pulling strings very often in the background, ohohohohoho (i swear to god if that's actually the joke)

drat tho. swim swim struck me as obvious cannon fodder but no. do not gently caress with swim swim. the setup of the show had me worried a lot of characters would just, be there, mostly to get killed early, especially Ruler's followers but just like with Mayoiga i was wrong. i was actually thinking the direction they were taking with Ruler was 'she actually genuinely cares about her followers but her own mistakes cause some of them to die and she has to deal with that', i didn't think she'd be offed like that, I was sure it was going to be La Pucelle doing a noble sacrifice and that's what'd bring Snow White to partner up with Ripple like all the main promo art and OP clearly points to. particularly since La Pucelle reminds me a lot of Mami even though this show isn't actually as blatantly 'i wish i was Madoka' as I thought it might be

La Pucelle seems more like Sayaka than Mami to me.

Lucy Heartfilia
May 31, 2012


yes, do not gently caress with swim swim. what a great backstab.

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Gyra_Solune
Apr 24, 2014

Kyun kyun
Kyun kyun
Watashi no kare wa louse

Silver2195 posted:

La Pucelle seems more like Sayaka than Mami to me.

hmm. for whatever reason, i dunno. i think it's probably rooted a lot in the color scheme and styling but also a bit in how she's kind of the big sister mentor figure. she's not quite as hotheaded as Sayaka but I can see she's not perfectly put together either with how she charged in at the angel twins like that.

i think we can all stand in agreement that Ripple is pretty goddamn Homura though. certainly not in actual motive, at least i hope not, but definitely in attitude

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