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Oops! Almost let this slip by! According to my calendar and confirmed by Wikipedia, today is United Nations Day! What is United Nations day? Well: quote:United Nations Day is devoted to making known to people of the world the aims and achievements of the United Nations Organization. United Nations Day is part of United Nations Week, which runs from 20 to 26 October. Let's reflect on how the United Nations has impacted our day to day lives and thank the brave heroes who have sacrificed so much. As we binge drink through this international United Nations mandated long weekend, let's think about where we would be with out it.      I love the UN, do you?
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Oct 24, 2016 22:55
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Why is the UN so useless?
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Oct 24, 2016 22:55
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a bone to pick posted:Why is the UN so useless? permenant security council
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Oct 24, 2016 22:59
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rezatahs posted:permenant security council because the general assembly is such a source of efficient action  the security council structure does pretty much preclude effective security action on the part of the UN, but imo also helps it maintain some semblance of legitimacy as a neutral forum for international issues- completely ignoring real-world balance-of-power seems like a recipe for a quick disintegration of the organization
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Oct 24, 2016 23:16
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Oct 24, 2016 23:26
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i wanna bang the UN's womans rights ambassador 
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Oct 24, 2016 23:28
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Nooner posted:i wanna bang the UN's womans rights ambassador You could say she's.....a Model UN
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Oct 24, 2016 23:30
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They share today with National Bologna Day. Pretty similar amirite 
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Oct 24, 2016 23:47
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a bone to pick posted:Why is the UN so useless?
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Oct 24, 2016 23:51
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a bone to pick posted:Why is the UN so useless? Because it's horribly underfunded and the US has veto (the US exercises its veto the most often  ).
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Oct 24, 2016 23:58
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Shneak posted:They share today with National Bologna Day. Pretty similar amirite Please do not troll, Shneak 
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Oct 25, 2016 00:09
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Rated PG-34 posted:Because it's horribly underfunded and the US has veto (the US exercises its veto the most often Russia is still ahead all time, has been quite a bit more active recently, and is now not terribly far behind the US from 1992 on I'm also pretty sure that if the US hadn't spent the last couple of decades vetoing routine condemnations of Israel the UN would still not have revealed itself to be a font of dynamism and effectiveness
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Oct 25, 2016 00:17
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LGD posted:Russia is still ahead all time, has been quite a bit more active recently, and is now not terribly far behind the US from 1992 on Yes, during the cold war, the USSR used its veto a lot, but from the 90s onward, the US is the most frequent user, and that's definitely not helping things. Kinda neat how Israel's atrocities against Palestine are just routine. http://theconversation.com/hard-evidence-who-uses-veto-in-the-un-security-council-most-often-and-for-what-29907
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Oct 25, 2016 00:43
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Im vetoing the bill to NOT colonize your face with DEEZE NUTZ
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Oct 25, 2016 00:44
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Rated PG-34 posted:Yes, during the cold war, the USSR used its veto a lot, but from the 90s onward, the US is the most frequent user, and that's definitely not helping things. Whoa cool link to a 2014 article praising Russia for its restraint in use of the veto immediately before it spent the next two years vetoing he hell out of UN resolutions! And ultra-lol at the idea that UN resolutions condemning Israel would have "solved" the I/P conflict, or that even if by some literally divine miracle they had, the resolution of that conflict would have opened the floodgates and made the UN an effective problem-solving institution in other areas
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Oct 25, 2016 00:54
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LGD posted:Whoa cool link to a 2014 article praising Russia for its restraint in use of the veto immediately before it spent the next two years vetoing he hell out of UN resolutions! I was linking the article for the graphs. If you have more recent plots, please link. No one is arguing your second point about the UN resolutions.
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Oct 25, 2016 01:10
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LGD posted:Whoa cool link to a 2014 article praising Russia for its restraint in use of the veto immediately before it spent the next two years vetoing he hell out of UN resolutions! I looked it up and Russia has used its veto twice since 2014, once for an international court for MH17 and once for bombings in Aleppo. In contrast, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vetos_exercised_by_the_US_government_in_the_UN_Security_Council
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Oct 25, 2016 01:22
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Rated PG-34 posted:I looked it up and Russia has used its veto twice since 2014, once for an international court for MH17 and once for bombings in Aleppo. In contrast, quote:Proposal for an alliance of all Middle Eastern governments and the Security Council for peace in the region. lol
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Oct 25, 2016 01:30
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Rated PG-34 posted:I was linking the article for the graphs. If you have more recent plots, please link. "Also, no one disputes that these resolutions were useless to begin with but the US vetoing them is definitely why the UN can't get anything done" Rated PG-34 posted:I looked it up and Russia has used its veto twice since 2014, once for an international court for MH17 and once for bombings in Aleppo. In contrast,
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Oct 25, 2016 01:32
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I think I speak for everyone when I say that the UN should return to its original, founding mission: killing literally millions of Germans.
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Oct 25, 2016 01:41
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LGD posted:"I'm not wrong, I just linked that article because it had graphs that are now wrong." The graphs were accurate as of 2014 and since then, there have been 3 or 4 Russian vetoes. Here's a better table: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vetoed_United_Nations_Security_Council_resolutions I never said the Israel resolutions were useless, but they're definitely a step in the right direction. Of course passing them wouldn't solve the situation overnight. Rated PG-34 fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Oct 25, 2016 01:53
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The Avengers broke up because of the UN, also they wouldn't save the army guys in Blackhawk Down. gently caress those guys.
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Oct 25, 2016 02:02
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Rated PG-34 posted:The graphs were accurate as of 2014 and since then, there have been 2 or 3 Russian vetoes. Yes, using old graphs that were accurate at the time can still be very misleading. But hey lets look at that list- in contrast to the 3 Russian vetoes I see there were no US vetoes at all in that time frame. But hey, lets go back a decade and we've got 2 US vetoes, both relating to I/P vs. 11 Russian vetoes. Huh, that doesn't look like it supports your point. There were a lot of US vetoes relating to the I/P conflict before that, but since those are over a decade old, only a "step in the right direction" at best, and "no one is arguing" that their passage would have made the UN an effective institution, I'm very unclear on why you think anyone would agree that the US's use of the veto power is why the UN is useless.
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Oct 25, 2016 02:18
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LGD posted:Yes, using old graphs that were accurate at the time can still be very misleading. But hey lets look at that list- in contrast to the 3 Russian vetoes I see there were no US vetoes at all in that time frame. But hey, lets go back a decade and we've got 2 US vetoes, both relating to I/P vs. 11 Russian vetoes. Huh, that doesn't look like it supports your point. There were a lot of US vetoes relating to the I/P conflict before that, but since those are over a decade old, only a "step in the right direction" at best, and "no one is arguing" that their passage would have made the UN an effective institution, I'm very unclear on why you think anyone would agree that the US's use of the veto power is why the UN is useless. The UN is useless because it's underfunded and US has veto power that they use for not just the I/P question but a large number of other questions regarding American interests. If we disregard 1946-1965, we see that America is by far the most prolific exerciser of its veto: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UNSC_veto.svg Are you arguing that the Israel resolutions would be useless if passed? What is your benchmark for the UN as an effective institution?
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Oct 25, 2016 02:33
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The UN seem like nice neighbors except they'd park in front of your house a lot.
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Oct 25, 2016 02:38
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I try and beat Civ V as fast as I can but get stuck playing it without any joy for hours, the advent of the UN around turn 300-something eventually gives me my freedom. So the UN is OK I guess. 
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Oct 25, 2016 02:41
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i'd squart on the middle of the marble floor before taking my place at the talking stick and point to the squart and tell everyone hey if you need some to deal with this refugee crisis just know I can squart like this for days and don't have a job
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Oct 25, 2016 02:55
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Rated PG-34 posted:The UN is useless because it's underfunded and US has veto power that they use for not just the I/P question but a large number of other questions regarding American interests. If we disregard 1946-1965, we see that America is by far the most prolific exerciser of its veto: Except they haven't used it for other purposes in a decade, and it's a very open question why *this* part of the Cold War counts but *that part* doesn't, beyond your need to contort the evidence to fit a pre-determined narrative. Sorry you're not capable of addressing arguments! If you did I might bother to answer your questions, but lol at wasting my time on someone incapable of doing anything but repeating the same thing over and over again.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:04
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*Humans rights nightmare happens* UN: We strongly condemn that Thanks UN!      Basically I think UN is good for keeping UN countries in check (sometimes) but when it comes to anything else they should just save money and not even have the meeting because it's predetermined that they'll release some statement as above and then furrow their brows, advise more useless sanctions that only hurt the innocent people in the country du jour and the same poo poo keeps happening again and again because humans are the worst and god doesn't exist. VelociBacon fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Oct 25, 2016 03:05
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hey are these syrians hot? do they like to play any of the instalments of the super metroid franchise? I think I could take a couple. Do they love like there is no tomorrow and pay for their own crunchyroll account
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Oct 25, 2016 03:06
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LGD posted:Except they haven't used it for other purposes in a decade, and it's a very open question why *this* part of the Cold War counts but *that part* doesn't, beyond your need to contort the evidence to fit a pre-determined narrative. Sorry you're not capable of addressing arguments! If you did I might bother to answer your questions, but lol at wasting my time on someone incapable of doing anything but repeating the same thing over and over again. How hard is it to see that within the last half century, the US has been the most prolific user of the veto. Sure, there have been some recent vetoes by Russia and China, but the main culprit is still America over the last half century. Why focus on the more recent half century? The Russia, i.e. USSR, of old is much different from the Russia of today, whereas the America of today hasn't changed as dramatically wrt institutions.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:40
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Rated PG-34 posted:How hard is it to see that within the last half century, the US has been the most prolific user of the veto. Sure, there have been some recent vetoes by Russia and China, but the main culprit is still America over the last half century. Why focus on the more recent half century? The Russia, i.e. USSR, of old is much different from the Russia of today, whereas the America of today hasn't changed as dramatically wrt institutions. It doesn't really matter because all of the stuff we vetoed was one of: 1. Pointless "condemnations" 2. "gently caress U ISRAEL YUO ARE WORST JEW GIB CLAY!" 3. "Please trade with Cuba"
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Oct 25, 2016 04:15
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OctaviusBeaver posted:It doesn't really matter because all of the stuff we vetoed was one of: If these condemnations were so pointless, why did the US bother to veto them?
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Oct 25, 2016 04:20
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