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Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Dale Ouise posted:

Hi, I'm trying to follow this thread and watch more basketball because my favourite hockey team traded their coolest player for no good reason.

Watching the Habs probably prepares you pretty well to be a Raptors fan.

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Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Dale Ouise posted:

I get enough disappointment from the Blue Jays.

The Raptors aren't disappointing, they're just interminably frustrating. They play basketball like it was 20 years ago, but somehow still win.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Dale Ouise posted:

Do I want Dwane Casey fired this is an important question.

When you're away from the game, thinking things through, no. But most games will contain at least three instances where you will.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

straight up brolic posted:

I always thought that the Raptors have p good ball movement outside of Derozan. They always pass the Clippers to death when we play them

There was an infographic that made the rounds last year showing the top 4 or 5 teams and how they succeeded in some important factors like passing and whatever. This was the one where it was hard to see the Warriors because they were basically coextensive with the outer boundary. Anyway, the Raptors were almost equally hard to see, because they barely made it out past the centre.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

dokmo posted:



edit: I forget what I was replying to.

raptors lack of ball movement

I don't know if this makes the penis graph more or less appropriate.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..
I Believe in Demar Derozan

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Jota posted:

He's super weird because he has some clear potential defensively and has done some good stuff but his size gives such limitations that you wonder how much he can improve. Also he's so bad offensively. Like if he could just catch the ball and finish consistently he'd be fine at least but he still has issues with that. I have no clue what his value is, especially considering he's a RFA after the year so he's gonna get a big raise.

The Raptors took a point guard in the first round two drafts ago, so I wonder if they feel like Delon is capable of being the backup PG now. If they do think Delon is ready, it makes sense to move Joseph for an upgrade at PF. But, like, if Delon is ready.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..
Valanciunas is out tonight with a bruised knee that swelled up. Apparently the knee has been bad for a while, which may explain why Poeltl was getting so much play the other day. Anyway, excited for the Raptors to roll Poeltl/Bebe at the 5 today.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..
A lot of us are angry and feel hurt right now, but please do not fight about politics in the basketball thread.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Thank you based Demar for bringing just the slightest bit of sunshine to these past couple of days.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Jack's Flow posted:

Well, that explains why DeRozan is setting the world on fire: he's a Monstar!

Demar's gotta have the best learning tool in recent NBA history. We reached "this is the best he's gonna be" with him like four to five years ago, but he's found a way to get better every year since then.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..
I had never heard "Long Weeknd" before but it has to be one of the best nicknames in the NBA. Also this is a great oop off of a not-so-good alley.

https://twitter.com/Raptors/status/797632794776084480

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Schlieren posted:

Little did they know that rape was prevalent enough in the South that more or less any US citizen has a little bit of former slave blood in their veins

This is exactly why they created the rule. It was so all the children produced by slave owners raping slaves would still be held as slaves.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..
I'm excited to see what Toronto can do this week with their at Cleveland/hosting GSW back-to-back. Getting even one win out of the set would be pretty good.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

roundmidnight posted:

No, DeMar DeRozan is an MVP candidate, Andrew Wiggins is taking The Leap, the Boston Celtics are poo poo, and Joel Embiid would be the best player in the world if he could only play 36 mpg.

Everything's coming up Toronto.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..
There was a time when ownership was deeply ashamed of being the "Raptors," and there was noise about switching to the Huskies. I'm glad a stop has been put to that.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Somehow Isaiah Thomas comes out of this looking worse than the guy getting dunked on.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Props Department posted:

I just feel like it's of a piece with treating women who go on camera professionally as sex objects. I guess everyone else thinks I'm a ninny though!

You're getting poo poo because of how clumsily you tried to bridge the gap between "dweebily adhering to patriarchal norms that reduce women to their physical attractiveness" and "literally bragging about sexual assault."

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

straight up brolic posted:

jiangsu tongxi monkey kings

Leopards, Tigers, Leopards, Tigers, Lions

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Cool Buff Man posted:

I'm not claiming to know whether it would be perfect or a disaster but it wouldn't be in the middle

Casey/Lowry turned out pretty well.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

DeimosRising posted:

I remembered the replay I was talking about, it was actually almost a decade ago (Jesus Christ), the Hawks and Heat had to replay the last minute of a game because the refs fouled Shaq out when he only had 5 fouls. A similar thing happened with the Pels/Kings game this year but they caught it at halftime and had them replay the time after the break. The Hawks-Heat game they took off both teams' records until later in the year.

Wasn't there a (Vancouver) Grizzlies - Lakers game where the Staples Centre paused the clock until Shaq hit a game-winning shot, and the Grizzlies somehow didn't even get an admission that something went wrong on appeal?

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

xbilkis posted:

Burying him on Chicago radio as Neil Funk does the telecasts is some shameful poo poo

What does he say when Chicago wins? I assume he doesn't use "salami and cheese," because that is particular to the Raptors.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

R.D. Mangles posted:

i can't be the only one who thinks if the nba players wanted to they could put together a congress and dominate the government

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..
The raptors have won their last two games by a combined 77 points.

They're also now tied for first with Cleveland, whom they play Monday.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

roundmidnight posted:

Bebe has good pick and roll instincts and can move quickly for a dude his size so he's a decent man defender but his help defense is really bad. He has no offensive game to speak of aside from garbageman type stuff but he has decent touch around the basket and surprisingly good chemistry with Lowry. He's basically a rookie big man, so you can't judge him yet.

However he's also one of the nicest and most honest human beings ever so he is completely unhateable even when he does something stupid on the court.

Also his nickname is Long Weeknd which is probably the best nickname in the NBA right now.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Tales of Woe posted:

http://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/#!?CF=MIN*GE*100&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1

There are only two powerful lineups in basketball - the warriors 'death lineup'...and the toronto raptors bench + kyle lowry

All hail Lowry and the Bench.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Chairchucker posted:

Hmmm it seems to me like maybe Lowry owns. Thoughts?

I think you're on to something.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Cool Buff Man posted:

Yeah poor Raptors, they're in such a bad place.

It's frustrating to have the team be probably as good as it can be in this permutation and have it still be firmly a tier below the true contenders. So close yet so far, and whatever.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Lockback posted:

If you're good enough to get to the ECF you are in a pretty good spot. You need some luck or guys catching fire but that can happen. Lots of people considered the Mavericks a tier below true contender the year they won it, even last year lots of people gave Cleveland no chance until GSW started looking vulnerable in the playoffs.

The last couple years have really proven that the NBA still has a ton of variance (even if it's not as much as NFL or whatever).

I get that, and this is an easy team to love, but bumping up against that ceiling is always going to be grating. And it would make dreaming just a little bit easier if Toronto could dent the big four of Cleveland, Golden State, LAC, and Sacramento.

Hashtag Banterzone posted:

But right now they look like very strong favorites to make the ECF and they have 4 players 25 or younger that look really good in Ross, Jonas, Bebe and Powell.

Those dudes are cool, and good, but they don't seem to be the core of anything. There are times I wonder if the plan might even be to trade JV and go with Poeltl/Bebe long term.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..


Raptors trying to destroy relationships.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Demar rules.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Cool Buff Man posted:

Sorry Raptors

I guess the Poeltl pick would've been the centrepiece.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

MourningView posted:

I'm sure it's been discussed to death but oh my god Kyle next to LeBron.

Is Korver still good enough for this to be a thing?

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

tanglewood1420 posted:

If Millsap is truly available then Toronto have to make a move for him surely? Lowry/DeRozan/Millsap is clearly better than anyone outside Cleveland in the East and if one of Love or Kyrie gets injured you'd have a puncher's chance against the Cavs in a series. If Lebron was hurt I think they'd be better.

How much should the Raptors invest on "maybe Cleveland suffers one or more catastrophic injuries?" Because trading for Millsap will probably be expensive for moving them from losing in the ECF to losing in the ECF.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

AggressivelyStupid posted:

I mean, you have to be a truly elite team to bring down two whole alphas

McBuckets is a situational alpha

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Henchman of Santa posted:

How did they lose a point in there?

The first shot they hit in the video, the three point shot, is found on replay to have been released after the shot clock expired.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Tae posted:

Pretty sure the Knicks traded a 1st rounder for the rights to Andrea Bargnani

Bargnani was still under contract for 33/3 when the Knicks got him, and on top of the first (which is now Jakub Poeltl), they gave up waiver fodder and two seconds, one of which is still upcoming.

To make the trade even better, both waiver pieces, Camby and Richardson, were originally drafted with Raptors draft picks.

God that trade ruled so hard.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..
I was so excited for a trade

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

euphronius posted:

Derozen deal tho ehhh. Tough call on that one.

The DeRozan deal can be seen as good but you have to first accept that sports can have as its valuable end something other than winning the championship.

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Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..
I think that the Raptors are having some difficulties that they need to work out.

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