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lizard_phunk posted:So my question is this: do you think the role of Norway in WW2 is a reason it's so "obvious" to us that English is the language to learn? I think it's at least a factor. In the daysfollowing WW2, the USSR was looking like an expansionist power and in the immediate aftermath they tried to propose "Common Norwegian and Soviet defense and administration of Svalbard." This was much the same ploy as they played with the Finns which eventually led to the Winter War. Norway (and Denmark) joined NATO shortly thereafter. Whether this was a result of their shared experience with trying to stay neutral during WW2 is a question for a better historian than myself. But by the time they joined NATO the Marshall plan was also in full force and it probably seemed like a very good idea to be able to speak more easily with Americans and Britons.
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lizard_phunk posted:[*] Most Norwegians are raised to not stand out. For example, if you are a gifted child, you will in most cases be asked to keep your skills down to the other kids' level. You will (in general) not be praised for being extraordinarily good at things. Major exception: sports. For example, there are specialised upper secondary schools that let those with exceptional talent for sports train during the school day while following their regular classes. Until recently, however, there weren't really comparable schools for those with exceptional intellectual capabilites. This has changed a bit in recent years, with gifted students being allowed to complete secondary school courses ahead of time if they have the ability and then continue with higher level courses up to university level ahead of schedule. Obviously, this is something that should have been an option all the time, but the "do not stand out ahead of others" ideology prevented it. Pursesnatcher posted:This view that all the best and brightest Norwegians are long dead is one you share with a lot of Norwegians. We used to have the likes of Munch, Grieg, Ibsen, Henie, Sandemose, Holberg, Amundsen, Birkeland and Heyerdahl. Now we only have Breivik and Carlsen? How the mighty have fallen! The first one of those was an immigrant from Denmark, and few people knew who the second one was until they put him on the 200 NOK banknote. quote:Then there are the scientists and inventors, whose names we for some reason rarely learn until long after they're dead. Fun fact: when Edvard and May-Britt Moser were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for 2014, the Norwegian mainstream press suddenly started reporting on their work. For example, the newspaper Aftenposten had something about them getting plenty of recognition from their peers and several awards for their research before the Nobel Prize, yet a search of the newspaper's database revealed that they had never been mentioned by the paper before the Nobel Prize announcement. And when the matemathician Pierre Deligne was awarded the Abel Prize, their article on the award simply gave biographical details but said nothing about his mathematical work or what discoveries earned him the prize. quote:Ah, but dentistry is covered by the NHS. That's not the case in Norway. If you want a basic appointment, that's about £120. A crown or root canal, depending on the number of treatments required, can be as low as £800 but is often several times that. That seems a bit high. The last time I had a basic appointment it cost a bit less than 800 NOK, a bit less than £80. Still, the fact that dentistry is not covered by the national health care system if you are older than 20 is a serious flaw. Some people avoid going to the dentist for years at a time owing to it costing so much. Kopijeger fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Oct 30, 2016 |
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Kopijeger posted:That seems a bit high. The last time I had a basic appointment it cost a bit less than 800 NOK, a bit less than £80. Still, the fact that dentistry is not covered by the national health care system if you are older than 20 is a serious flaw. Some people avoid going to the dentist for years at a time owing to it costing so much. It's around 8-900 NOK for the actual appointment itself, but I've always had to add at least another 400 or so due to X-rays and "supplies", whatever that is. Alhazred posted:Yeah, no: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xH7eGFuSYI Uhm, yes. The Q&A from the national tax administration provides the following answer to the question "Why are these lists public?": "Parliament has decided that taxes paid should be public. This in order to enable society as a whole to control the taxation work in general, and the taxation rates set for individuals and groups of taxpayers." Now, sure, you could look up your coworkers and find out if you make more or less than they do. But this has nothing to do with the reason for publicizing these lists. Pursesnatcher fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Oct 29, 2016 |
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Pursesnatcher posted:It's around 8-900 NOK for the actual appointment itself, but I've always had to add at least another 400 or so due to X-rays and "supplies", whatever that is. Ensuring that the taxation process is transparent is pretty loving far from "make sure nobody gets too successful without everyone knowing about it".
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Alhazred posted:Ensuring that the taxation process is transparent is pretty loving far from "make sure nobody gets too successful without everyone knowing about it". Oh, all right then. Let me rephrase: "What you make, in Norway, is a matter of public record, so as to make sure that people whom you have reason to believe are very successful based on their visible assets, spending habits or lifestyle in general can be reported to the tax authorities for potentially having found some clever and illegal way to avoid taxation, if it turns out that their reported income is lower than what you might suspect is actually the case". Edit: While this strikes me as being a convoluted way of saying "If you seem successful, everyone should have the right to check your pay", don't just take my word for it. When the current administration started the process of removing the option to search through the list anonymously, there were quite a few annoyed responses; the main labor union states explicitly in their official response that "having information regarding personal income available can weaken the forces which would increase income disparities, and thus contribute to a more uniform distribution of wealth". Is that, too, pretty loving far from making sure nobody gets too successful without everyone knowing about it? Note that this union sits on the central committee of the Labour Party, which has recently started signalling that they want to reintroduce anonymous searches when they get back into power. Pursesnatcher fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Oct 29, 2016 |
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punk rebel ecks posted:I'm getting vibes that Pursesnatcher is firmly plotted in one spectrum of Norwegian politics. I honestly try to stay out of all that, personally. One side lies and cheats, the other lies and steals. There's a host of silly misunderstandings about the how's and why's of our tax system though, and I don't like how people are smiling when they're getting screwed just because they have been led to believe the screwing is in their own best interest. Also "snitch on your neighbor if he seems too rich" is both a peculiar cultural trait which fits nicely into what lizard_phunk described, and a nice scheme for keeping people in line. Mercrom posted:Another clear case of discrimination against "the forces which would increase income disparities". We should not rest until "the forces which would increase income disparities" get the same rights and responsibilities as "the invisible hand of the market".
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Pursesnatcher posted:I honestly try to stay out of all that, personally. One side lies and cheats, the other lies and steals. There's a host of silly misunderstandings about the how's and why's of our tax system though, and I don't like how people are smiling when they're getting screwed just because they have been led to believe the screwing is in their own best interest. Also "snitch on your neighbor if he seems too rich" is both a peculiar cultural trait which fits nicely into what lizard_phunk described, and a nice scheme for keeping people in line. Is "snitches get stitches" seriously your argument against public tax records?
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Is anyone trying to argue against public tax records here? I mean, the fact that Norwegians sit around using smartphones to check exactly how rich their neighbours are is an observation of a cultural phenomenon. Personally I find it fascinating that now that the look-up is no longer anonymous, you can sit around with friends and trade this information ("hey, can you look up X, he doesn't know who you are, and I will look up Y for you!"). I've run into this both in my hometown (which is small) and with friends from the richer parts of Oslo.
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Anyway, for some Norway content. My father lives in Numedal. The county "Nore and Uvdal" is has the largest area per person in Norway (population 2500!), and consists mainly of pine woods and what you might call fjords. I never knew any of the locals here (mainly because after 15 years, they still avert their eyes from my father - and me, whenever I visit).  Once, when production was good in this region of Norway (I believe the main income is now from selling and renting out cabins to rich people), there was a railroad here. The rails still remain, and my somewhat peculiar father lives in one of the old station buildings. (I can recommend old railway stations to anyone looking for a sturdy house!). Some years back, I did not have access to a car, but I wanted to visit my father. I know the road well, but for the first time I would need to use public transport. This meant I needed to go from Oslo to Kongsberg (a small town) and get on a bus to Numedal - a bus that comes and goes once a day.  Red dot shows approximate location of Numedal So I get on the bus, with exactly two other people. The reply for a ticket is "hmrf", and a receipt is handed to me. The drive is about 3 hours - double what it would take to go by car, because the route is laid out to the remote places where you find groups of houses. This is the sort of bus where - with no explanation - people come up, leave packages with notes on a random seat, and some hours later someone else comes on, takes the package and gets off. An efficient mode of transporting goods. It's getting late and the two teenagers on the bus - with emo hair cuts and gothic effects (very popular in these areas, understandably) have left. I'm in for the long ride - some more hours with the scruffy driver. The hours pass on the winding roads. The bus driver seems very unapproachable and it's now completely dark outside. I'm confident in my memory of this road, so at the right time I push the "stop" signal and the bus stops at the roadside and I get off. And then I think oh poo poo. The bus drove off just as I realized this was not the right stop - in fact my stop would be about 5 kilometers ahead, and even from the right stop there would be a 2 km walk to my father's house. The road is empty, there are no street lights, of course. The only thing I can see in the distance are the red lights of a bus backing up at high speed towards me. The bus stops, the door opens and the driver matter of factly calls out to me: "Your daddy lives the next stop up."
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When somewhere is so sparsely populated, people know pretty much everyone I guess.
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I had not been there for years and did not know anyone there, I was more than slightly creeped out.
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Regarding tax lists, I'm not against them, I was just trying to point out what they're for :PJeza posted:When somewhere is so sparsely populated, people know pretty much everyone I guess. My guess: A certain bus driver had a nice big cup of "You ain't fram 'round dese parts naw, are ya", and tried figuring out who this "forriner to dese here parts" might be. If you've seen the movie Deliverance, you've incidentally gotten a pretty good impression of rural Norway in the bargain.
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I definitely want to turn this thread all DnD (I hate DnD with a the fiery intensity of a thousand suns), but...what is the Norwegian view on recent immigration? As there are no border controls is the matter of where migrants settle in SE/NO a matter of where accommodation/jobs/benefits/fellow migrants' location is? Has there been any friction between NO and SE regarding SE's pro-migration stance (which I know has recently been revised to a more cautious approach)? I speak as a Britgoon who has visited NO and SE a number of times. I don't have any agenda and if it feels like too much of a contentious subject you can pass over it in dignified silence. PS. Edvard Munch rocks!
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OP how angry does it make you that rich people pay bigger fines than poor people?
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How much does the government pay you to live somewhere rural?
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Osama Dozen-Dongs posted:OP how angry does it make you that rich people pay bigger fines than poor people? I think you're confusing us with Finland. It would be nice to have that system here, though. Josef K. Sourdust posted:I definitely want to turn this thread all DnD (I hate DnD with a the fiery intensity of a thousand suns), but...what is the Norwegian view on recent immigration? As there are no border controls is the matter of where migrants settle in SE/NO a matter of where accommodation/jobs/benefits/fellow migrants' location is? Has there been any friction between NO and SE regarding SE's pro-migration stance (which I know has recently been revised to a more cautious approach)? If tax questions are incendiary, this one is a thermonuclear cake with napalm icing. But that's cool! Immigration is one of those huge polarizing issues today. I'd guess about a third of the population think it would be nice if we could help some more people, while about a third think we should perhaps not accommodate any new immigrants until the ones we have are integrated. These are the normals, the moderates. Since only a very small proportion does not care either way, the remaining chunk is still pretty large. And it consists exclusively of screamers. There's a relatively large and extremely vocal subset of the population who are adamant that borders are, if not fascist, then at least barbaric. To these people, the idea of actively collecting immigrants in Libya, Syria, Nigeria or Somalia and shipping them direct to Norway, would be far preferable to the current situation. Then there's their polar opposites, a group which is perhaps smaller, but at least equally vocal. These are the ones suggesting, anonymously or otherwise, that the best course of action would be dispatching warships to the Mediterranean, in order to sink refugee boats before they can make it to Europe. So the Norwegian view is clearly no single thing, but it feels like the majority has been leaning more towards "sort out the current bunch before admitting more" lately. At the height of the recent crisis, everything suddenly got a bit more strict, and there's been an increased effort to ship rejected asylum seekers out of the country. The result is that fewer have been arriving; a fact which in itself sparks debate. Some are relieved, and point to the stricter policies as wise choices which has had the desired effect, while cautiously suggesting we might get even stricter. Others are disappointed, and berate the authorities for letting people suffer and die in conflict areas while shutting our gates to the needing. The role of Sweden in all this is interesting. Sweden is often cited as an example of how not to do things. Even the (non-screaming) pro-immigration segment will mostly agree that we don't want to end up like them. That said, Norway has far stricter criteria for being granted residency than Sweden. Migrants know this, and thus will prefer to go there instead of here. This past summer, in spite of the Schengen agreement, border controls were actually implemented between the Scandinavian countries including between Sweden and Norway. However, as it turned out, rather few of the migrants were headed here, compared to the numbers wanting to go next door. It's seen as far easier to become a resident in Sweden, and the background checks are less stringent. The existing diaspora communities are also far larger in Sweden. Regarding benefits, I honestly couldn't tell you. Note, though, that if you are applying for asylum or residency in Norway, your application will be rejected if you leave the country at any time while it's being processed. I would imagine the same is true in Sweden, which could help explain why rather few immigrants try coming here from there.
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uguu posted:How much does the government pay you to live somewhere rural? Depends on how rural you're willing to go! Now, you're seldom actually paid to go live in some backwater. However, If you have a student loan, and you live in the northermost bits of the country, your loan can be reduced by up to ten percent every year you stay there. In the north of Norway in general, the electricity tax is set at a lower rate than elsewhere; in the very northernmost bits, it's set to zero consumers. Businesses in the same areas also pay a lower electricity tax, and the payroll tax is set at the lowest rate in the country. There are additional benefits if you're able to go live on Svalbard, that huge, barren wasteland we've got way up in the Arctic ocean, but moving there is realistically not an option for most. You would need to get a job, something you can pretty much only get through the government-owned coal mine company (which also owns most everything else up there) or at a meteorological research facilities (read: some tent pitched in the middle of a blizzard).
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QI said Norway gave sushi salmon. What other good things has Norway done for the world?
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Thanks for the reply!  How nervous is NO regarding RU expansionism/sabre-rattling? I heard from SEs that SE reckons its resistance to an RU invasion is about 3 days in a conventional campaign. SE dismantled/neglected most of its defences during the post-Cold War period. I presume that NO is in a similar situation.
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Mercrom posted:QI said Norway gave sushi salmon. Hmm. If you enjoy skiing (be it cross country, downhill or over a jump) you have plenty to be grateful to Norway about. And we've been bringing mineral nitrogen fertilizer into the world for more than a century now, feeding untold billions in the process. We also make some killer naval strike missiles, if that's more your thing. And the "cheese planer", which Norwegians are absurdly proud of. Josef K. Sourdust posted:Thanks for the reply! With regards to nervousness, the people is divided. It's funny; there are two "sayings" which most Norwegians (above a certain age, anyhow) will have at least heard spoken of. One is "never again April 9th", a popular post-war mantra referencing the German invasion which began on that day in 1940. During the Cold War it became sort of a motto reflecting a dedication to maintain a strong military, capable of real deterrence. Realistically, the military doctrine in this period was always based on hanging on until the Americans could get here, but there was a will to maintain a strong army, a large and well-trained reserve force with military weapons stored at home (a force which could act as a guerrilla force against potential invaders), and a well-equipped coast guard, navy and air force. "Never again" would a foreign army be able to steamroll Norway with ease due to... well, actually, that's where the other saying comes in. The other saying is "policy of the broken gun". This was actually the name of the Labour Party's policy of demilitarizing Norway, based on the belief that even having a military could be perceived as aggression. The key, in their eyes, to a peaceful world was to just get rid of all weapons; if everyone would just break their guns, there could naturally be no war. The party came into power in 1935, while the rest of the world was quite busy doing the exact opposite, and predictably the whole idea backfired somewhat. Since the Cold War ended, the ideas behind that second saying has been gaining new traction. War is bad, militaries are bad, and acting aggressively towards our neighbours through Bad Things like economic sanctions are just rude. These people would rather just have everyone sit down and settle their differences peacefully. There are also quite a few people perhaps especially so in the north who would prefer a happy, friendly, let's-all-get-along attitude towards Russia. These are not necessarily pacifists, but they are more inclined to believe Russia is the victim in some sort of smear campaign by the US and EU; both of which they dislike (or even despise). On the other hand, the first of those sayings has been springing back into use lately as well. Many do believe Russia is a real and imminent threat, if not to us then at least to some of our NATO allies. Officially, we try to maintain a constructive dialogue with our largest neighbor, and apart from condemning moves like annexing Crimea, this seems to be what we're doing. That's the short story on nervousness. As for our military; while the idea of si vis pacem, para bellum didn't disappear entirely after the Cold War ended, our military spending fell drastically. I believe the armed forces of Norway actually employs more bureaucrats than actual soldiers these days, and the poor state of our reserve force is a matter of some debate. We do have some very high-tech boats, our special forces are in reasonably good shape, and we've ordered a ton of expensive jets from the US, but our army as such is a pretty sorry sight. I've seen several different estimates, the most pessimistic ones stating we could at best hold back a Russian assault some 48 hours. Sweden is probably even worse off, though.
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Thanks for the detailed response. From what Swedes told me, Russia has threatened that if SE makes a move towards NATO membership that will be considered "an act of war". And so I think that a lot of Scandinavians figure best to keep quiet and hope nothing serious happens because militarily speaking, Scandinavia is in no position to fight a conventional land war. Sustained guerilla warfare is the best that can be managed, which is not much consolation.
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:Thanks for the detailed response. Sweden has actually been the target of a whole lot of unwanted Russian attention lately; what with exercises both simulating nuclear and conventional bombing runs against the country, numerous (unconfirmed) submarine incursions into Swedish waters as well as airspace violations by fighter aircraft these past 2-3 years. Much of this is assumed to be tied pretty directly to Swedish dreams of NATO. As stated in the opening post, Norway was a founding member of the organization, so it would be pretty moot to threaten us from joining; hence we have seen far less such directly provocative activity. Instead, Russian bombers have returned to their Cold War pattern of travelling down our coastline, staying just outside our airspace, but still close enough to prompt our fighters to scramble to intercept and escort them. Funnily enough, there's no clear-cut right- or leftist stance when it comes to Norwegians' attitude to Russia these days. You'll find anti-immigration screamers, typically far right on the spectrum, squarely in the "our Russian brothers" camp. You'll also find pro-immigration screamers, whom will often self-identify as socialists or outright communists, telling you how Russia is a victim to American propaganda. The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think Norway is a country more divided than one might initially guess. PS: I just came across a relatively recent poll, wherein 45 percent of Norwegians consider Putin a threat to Norway, while 47 percent do not. Pursesnatcher fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Nov 1, 2016 |
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Something you Nordmenn can help me with: I'm trying to find an engineering job in Norway. I'm not one of these clowns trying to move across because it sounds like a goddamn paradise (although to be fair it'll be a drat sight better than the UK), I've been engaged to my fiancee for four years and our wedding is in January in the wooden church in Mandal. We've got a fantastic little 2 year old daughter and our plan has always been to move across to Norway once one of us finished our education. I've got a bachelors in mechanical engineering and masters in aerospace engineering. I'm mainly trying to find something with engineering simulation since I spent a lot of time studying (and currently employed in running) CFD and FEA simulations. Unfortunately it looks like there not a lot going for engineering in terms of things that actually move - theres plenty of jobs on Finn or NAV for civils (IE big things made of concrete - tunnels, roads, flood spillways) but the only jobs i keep finding for mechanical engineering or CFD are doctoral positions. Are there any particularly good specialised engineering job agencies, or am I better off trying to research companies individually and applying directly? Plasmafountain fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Nov 6, 2016 |
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While I'm not an engineer (I'm a molecular biologist and just feel like an engineer all the time), I'll try to help you out as best I can as a random Norwegian. How do you get a job in Norway?
Finally some anecdotes:
Also, I wish you a nice winter wedding.
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lizard_phunk posted:[*] I work with a number of highly skilled foreigners who soon have PhD's and want to work in Norway permanently. And they don't see the contradiction in this? How do they rationalise wanting to work in the country yet at the same time rejecting the language?
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Kopijeger posted:And they don't see the contradiction in this? How do they rationalise wanting to work in the country yet at the same time rejecting the language? My impression is that they rationalized not learning for the 3-4 years they spent doing research by being "too busy". Seing the contradiction involves some introspection and STEM PhD's don't really train you for this. 
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Zero Gravitas posted:Something you Nordmenn can help me with: Fellow Norwegian gave some great answers already, but I'll try to pitch in as well. Apart from Tekna, which is a sweet tip, NITO is also an organization to look into. Both organize engineers, and there's a bit of overlap. In addition to looking into these organizations themselves, they also own Teknisk Ukeblad the largest polytechnic newspaper in Norway, whose job portal might help you find what you're looking for. As for companies looking for people, Kongsberg is indeed a good tip. Seeing your background I immediately though of Kongsberg Automotive and Kongsberg Maritime. With a degree in aerospace engineering, perhaps their missiles are more your thing though. Barring that, if you care for the great outdoors and living far beyond the wall, there's this sweet space center which the Russians mistook for an ICBM launch site back in the day; maybe there's something for you there? Kopijeger posted:And they don't see the contradiction in this? How do they rationalise wanting to work in the country yet at the same time rejecting the language? This is probably tied to the whole "everyone speaks English" bit, coupled with the fact that the Norwegian academic world uses English as the working language (at least that's how it is in most areas of STEM research, God alone knows what they do in the social sciences), much like in the oil sector.
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Pursesnatcher posted:This is probably tied to the whole "everyone speaks English" bit, coupled with the fact that the Norwegian academic world uses English as the working language (at least that's how it is in most areas of STEM research, God alone knows what they do in the social sciences), much like in the oil sector. Still, it is remarkable that they fail to grasp that the corporate world works differently. I know that some of the bigger companies use English as a working langage, but the bulk of employers require people to know the language. Yet these nominally highly qualified people fail to grasp this simple fact.
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JazzmasterCurious posted:Yeah, they either stay Swedish or transform into Svorsk — Norwegian words (where they are different) with Swedish tone of voice. It sounds ridiculous, but I bet my Swedish is just as bad as their Norwegian. True, but this happens to dialect speakers too (which can be more different from "standard" Norwegian than Swedish). In both cases people who make the switch will be bullied mercilessly for giving up their mother tongue and identity. Which is probably the reason some people stick with Svorsk or some ridiculous mix of X dialect and Oslospeak.
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I think Norway is a gorgeous, gorgeous country and I'd like to at least visit some day. I keep thinking it'd be a great place to move as America shits itself to death. Perhaps this is "grass is always greener" territory but, well, the fact is I like cold places that have poo poo loads of trees, hills, and mountains. That being said, what's the most common food shock that Americans have coming to Norway? How would somebody with a seafood allergy (I mean literally all of it...I can't eat a single fish, crustacean, mussel, clam...any of it) fare there? I'm a programmer with a CS degree so I figure finding a job wouldn't be all that difficult.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I think Norway is a gorgeous, gorgeous country and I'd like to at least visit some day. I keep thinking it'd be a great place to move as America shits itself to death. Perhaps this is "grass is always greener" territory but, well, the fact is I like cold places that have poo poo loads of trees, hills, and mountains. If cold/trees/hills/mountains is what you want, you certainly won't be disappointed! Currently the grass is not so much "greener" as it is "white, frozen, dying a slow death under blankets of ice, only to rise again about 4-5 months from now". Food shocks are pretty uncommon as well, and avoiding fish is easy enough. Apart from the horrible examples of traditional food, we eat pretty much the same things you do and restaurants, I just learned a few days ago, are required to list all allergens next to every item in their menu. Blanket "EVERYTHING INCLUDES GLUTEN" statements atop every page is apparently illegal now. However! When it comes to finding work, you might be in for a surprise. Do you have a master's degree, and are you happy doing web development? If so, finding something should be reasonably easy and learning to speak Norwegian would help a lot. If you have a bachelor's degree, you would need some pretty solid experience on your CV to be eligible for most positions. If you're not into web development, there are still some opportunities, but there's not really a huge demand for programmers in Norway. By Norwegian standards you would be well paid, though the average gross salary for a system architect with a master's degree is currently about $80k, while a computer engineer/technician makes some $70k gross. While these figures are representative for people with tons of experience, even the starting pay for engineers in IT is pretty solid about $55k. Make sure to check out the wall of text regarding taxes earlier in this thread, though, for an idea of what those figures translate to in net pay.
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lizard_phunk posted:True, but this happens to dialect speakers too (which can be more different from "standard" Norwegian than Swedish). In both cases people who make the switch will be bullied mercilessly for giving up their mother tongue and identity. what even is 'standard' norwegian who speaks 'standard' norwegian
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does erna solberg speak it? jonas gahr stψre? how about εge aleksandersen
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