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V. Illych L. posted:what even is 'standard' norwegian The politically correct answer is "the standard wherever you settle down".
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V. Illych L. posted:what even is 'standard' norwegian I think the general idea is that while we have a gazillion academically defined dialects (due to the sheer number of intensely proud linguists/dialectologists this country has produced), it's easier to call the main one "standard" Norwegian than it would be to go into the gritty details on how we have two distinct written forms of Norwegian, three written Sami languages (let's not go into potential dialects there, nor what's up with the other six), one language group shared with two of our neighbors which are mutually intelligible (apart from those people in Skåne), and how these people practice the closest thing anyone can find to good old Norse (if you don't count the Faeroes). And the point made by the lizard is absolutely valid. If you speak one of the dialects which deviate significantly from the ones spoken in the southeast – by nearly half the country's population – and you then move there, things start to change. Either you Stay True™ and Proud™ of your original dialect, or you at least try to, while starting to sound ridiculous as the words your mother taught you turn to mush in your mouth.
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Nov 8, 2016 22:39
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I think Norway is a gorgeous, gorgeous country and I'd like to at least visit some day. I keep thinking it'd be a great place to move as America shits itself to death. Perhaps this is "grass is always greener" territory but, well, the fact is I like cold places that have poo poo loads of trees, hills, and mountains. Pros and cons. The majestic fjords are usually not close to big cities. That said, Bergen and Tromsø are amazingly beautiful in my opinion (lived in both). I had a job as a cleaner in Tromsø, and it was pretty lovely, but the office I was cleaning was on top of the island (it's not very tall at all!) and the view took my breath away every day. You see the icy mountains lining up around a stark blue glittering sea in the middle of summer. Still, I was a vegan (and likely a moron) at the time and Tromsø was by far the toughest place for me to live. I had to call it quits one winter where I simply got lost in the snow on my 10 minute walk to campus - no sunlight and "fokk" did me in in the end (great word for heavy snow and wind). Also, I got tired of the reindeer blocking the entrance to the supermarket I worked at. They freak me out. ToxicSlurpee posted:That being said, what's the most common food shock that Americans have coming to Norway? How would somebody with a seafood allergy (I mean literally all of it...I can't eat a single fish, crustacean, mussel, clam...any of it) fare there? Well, you could eat at McDonalds every day if you wanted to (as long as you live in a city). Seafood allergies are common - and we really don't eat much seafood (depends on personal preference - but fish is actually pretty expensive compared to pork and chicken). Your main food shock would likely be bread. Norwegians love dark bread, and while some of it is really good, both in taste and nutrition, it can be heavy on the stomach. ToxicSlurpee posted:I'm a programmer with a CS degree so I figure finding a job wouldn't be all that difficult. Hope you have a bachelor's and a master's because about everyone here does (since studying is practially free). That said, if you don't, MSc programs are usually in English (most courses can be, at least), quite flexible and with the right VISA you could study and work at the same time. In the programming field, you can often get a good job offer out of doing your MSc project at a company.
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Nov 8, 2016 22:39
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lizard_phunk posted:Also, I got tired of the reindeer blocking the entrance to the supermarket I worked at. They freak me out. Why would they hang around the supermarket entrance unless there were tasty plants to eat? Was this at Kvaløysletta, by any chance?
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Nov 8, 2016 22:58
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Kopijeger posted:Why would they hang around the supermarket entrance unless there were tasty plants to eat? Was this at Kvaløysletta, by any chance? Spot on and I might have looked like a tasty plant in my uniform.
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Nov 8, 2016 22:58
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Pursesnatcher posted:However! When it comes to finding work, you might be in for a surprise. Do you have a master's degree, and are you happy doing web development? If so, finding something should be reasonably easy – and learning to speak Norwegian would help a lot. If you have a bachelor's degree, you would need some pretty solid experience on your CV to be eligible for most positions. If you're not into web development, there are still some opportunities, but there's not really a huge demand for programmers in Norway. I don't have a master's (yet, anyway...some day perhaps) but I am, in fact, a web developer right now! I also have a BFA so my design skills are better than terrible. Will that benefit me as well?
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Nov 9, 2016 07:32
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Exactly how scared is Norway, member of NATO and neighbour of Russia, today? Scale of gravely concerned to  
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Nov 9, 2016 13:18
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I don't have a master's (yet, anyway...some day perhaps) but I am, in fact, a web developer right now! I also have a BFA so my design skills are better than terrible. Will that benefit me as well? It certainly should! Web developers are in pretty high demand, especially if you can do back-end as well as front-end. Design skills means Photoshop skills, which would likely be considered a minor bonus if you're going into the agency world. Most firms have about 10-20 employees, as their in-house designers are usually super-swamped with work and thus happy not to have to spend time resizing pictures. Josef K. Sourdust posted:Exactly how scared is Norway, member of NATO and neighbour of Russia, today? Scale of gravely concerned to Well... At least children are crying, certain there's going to be a war. No joke! The largest newspaper actually ran a story titled "How to talk to your children about the Trump victory". Kids pick up on the news, and our media has been united in dismissing Trump as a truly dangerous, woman-hating, lying, racist clown. On this one issue, at least, you can picture it as if every single news outlet in the country was like Slate, with only varying degrees of rabid headlines to tell them apart. In fact, even teachers in a coworker's school have been talking for weeks about how the Donald winning would be the worst thing to happen in the whole world, but that the children shouldn't worry, because Hillary would conquer all. Dropping of their kids at school this morning, one child was apparently heard asking if they were all going to die. So there's that. Apart from the doom and gloom of children and socialists (teachers, incidentally, vote socialist to a moronically high degree compared to most other vocational groups), there's not much panic, though. Our Reichsbroadcasting company did give us all a stern warning that Trump might prefer dialogue with Russia over confrontation. There's also some worry how this situation might affect the stock markets, and how that in turn might affect our wealth fund. More militaristic people are actually pretty pleased, since they just see his NATO remarks as a great reason to pump up our spending on defense. Amusingly, our politicians have spent months debating what to do with one of our main air bases, and yesterday they decided to shut the whole place down. Such timing! Also, like one hour after the win was official, parliament was in session, and the head of the socialist party was up criticizing the cabinet for not using harsh enough language when reacting to the news. Most ordinary people are just a little baffled that every single expert was wrong, again, but there's not much concern about Russia specifically. I think it's that whole Lutheran thing, myself :P
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Nov 9, 2016 18:10
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Pursesnatcher posted:However! When it comes to finding work, you might be in for a surprise. Do you have a master's degree, and are you happy doing web development? If so, finding something should be reasonably easy – and learning to speak Norwegian would help a lot. If you have a bachelor's degree, you would need some pretty solid experience on your CV to be eligible for most positions. If you're not into web development, there are still some opportunities, but there's not really a huge demand for programmers in Norway. So when we say "web development," what kind of work are we talking about? Design? HTML? Backend javascript? I'm asking for a friend named, uh, Bokes MacFee who is looking for a resident permit. He's not me in a mustache, I don't know why you'd think that. quote:By Norwegian standards you would be well paid, though – the average gross salary for a system architect with a master's degree is currently about $80k, while a computer engineer/technician makes some $70k gross. While these figures are representative for people with tons of experience, even the starting pay for engineers in IT is pretty solid – about $55k. Make sure to check out the wall of text regarding taxes earlier in this thread, though, for an idea of what those figures translate to in net pay. 
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Nov 10, 2016 00:09
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Pursesnatcher posted:It certainly should! Web developers are in pretty high demand, especially if you can do back-end as well as front-end. Design skills means Photoshop skills, which would likely be considered a minor bonus if you're going into the agency world. Most firms have about 10-20 employees, as their in-house designers are usually super-swamped with work and thus happy not to have to spend time resizing pictures. I know my way around Photoshop and am currently a full stack developer. Basically the team I'm on is like 1 1/2 programmers (I'm the only pure web dev; the other guy is also our systems guy) so...yeah it sounds like I could probably find work. Granted my work experience is less than a year but...hey. If demand is that high there are probably places going "holy poo poo balls, a PROGRAMMER? HIRE HIM HIRE HIM HIRE HIM."
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Nov 10, 2016 03:17
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Fuckin Trump Riot posted:So when we say "web development," what kind of work are we talking about? Design? HTML? Backend javascript? I'm asking for a friend named, uh, Bokes MacFee who is looking for a resident permit. He's not me in a mustache, I don't know why you'd think that. I dug around a little, and you can tell MacFee that all of those would help, but from skimming the vacancies pages, Java and .NET seems to be the hottest poo poo today. HTML/JS/CSS are bread and butter, so everyone should know at least some of it, and experience with frameworks like Angular.js and Node.js is a big plus many places. Then there's Python, Django, PostgreSQL and a billion other requirements depending on where you want to go. In the 431 vacancies in IT development on our largest general purpose job portal right now, 67 are for database, 96 for front-end, 38 for IT security, 126 for systems architect and 293 for "developer (general)". There's also some 30-odd vacancies for QA jobs. Here's the kicker: It's kinda hard to get a residency permit for work for non-EU citizens. In theory, we've had a full stop on immigration since 1975, although there are a ton of exceptions. Unless my fellow countrymen here know more, I could certainly look into it later! Keep in mind that an IT engineer does have a 3-5 year university degree – a friend of mine is a computer tech at a very large company, but as he doesn't hold a degree he only makes about $42k even after 5-10 years or so. And again, remember taxes :P ToxicSlurpee posted:I know my way around Photoshop and am currently a full stack developer. Basically the team I'm on is like 1 1/2 programmers (I'm the only pure web dev; the other guy is also our systems guy) so...yeah it sounds like I could probably find work. Granted my work experience is less than a year but...hey. If demand is that high there are probably places going "holy poo poo balls, a PROGRAMMER? HIRE HIM HIRE HIM HIRE HIM." Less than a year of relevant experience can be detrimental to your chances; most companies will look for 2-3 years minimum. It's not a total dealbreaker, though. People still do get hired to do development full-time when they're fresh out of high school, at 18-19 years old, although this is very rare – but it goes to show that talent and the right attitude can get you a long way.
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Nov 10, 2016 11:27
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Pursesnatcher posted:I dug around a little, and you can tell MacFee that all of those would help, but from skimming the vacancies pages, Java and .NET seems to be the hottest poo poo today. HTML/JS/CSS are bread and butter, so everyone should know at least some of it, and experience with frameworks like Angular.js and Node.js is a big plus many places. Then there's Python, Django, PostgreSQL and a billion other requirements depending on where you want to go. I do have a pretty heavy .NET experience, yeah. Interesting. quote:In the 431 vacancies in IT development on our largest general purpose job portal right now, 67 are for database, 96 for front-end, 38 for IT security, 126 for systems architect and 293 for "developer (general)". There's also some 30-odd vacancies for QA jobs. Understandable. Plus, it seems there's a lot of  going right now over American emigration discussion and entitlement that'd already make it an uphill slog, and I'm not sure how widespread that is. (I'm not trying to  since that'll bring a whole new political shitstorm in here, but it's something that's been brought up and needs to be considered.)
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Nov 10, 2016 17:51
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Fuckin Trump Riot posted:Understandable. Plus, it seems there's a lot of You mean over here? As you're both a pretty rare sight (there's about 8500 US-born American immigrants living in Norway right now, and about a quarter of them live in Oslo) and no longer living in America, people would be mostly fine with you.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:06
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Pursesnatcher posted:You mean over here? As you're both a pretty rare sight (there's about 8500 US-born American immigrants living in Norway right now, and about a quarter of them live in Oslo) and no longer living in America, people would be mostly fine with you. In general. Apparently Canada pretty much said they don't want a mass migration of Americans. America doesn't have the greatest reputation right now as is. Some nations are basically saying "you made your mess now clean it up" while ignoring that people wanting to leave are probably not the ones that made it. Certain demographics are looking at the fact that trump promised to target specific entire demographics and are feeling nervous. I think a lot of places are assuming those leaving will act like idiot tourists and do nothing but cause problems and act like the American way is always the best way. I imagine most Americans forget Scandinavia exists most of the time because hey isn't it really cold there?
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Nov 10, 2016 20:35
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ToxicSlurpee posted:In general. Apparently Canada pretty much said they don't want a mass migration of Americans. America doesn't have the greatest reputation right now as is. Some nations are basically saying "you made your mess now clean it up" while ignoring that people wanting to leave are probably not the ones that made it. Certain demographics are looking at the fact that trump promised to target specific entire demographics and are feeling nervous. While I can't speak for Canada or Mexico, Norwegians will generally welcome any American leaving the US with open arms. "You're not like THOSE Americans", they'll ask, and you'll nod, and you'll get a pat on the shoulder (this is the Norwegian version of the most intimate, comforting hug you can imagine). If you click this link within the next 3 hours, you'll see why. That's the front page of one of the top 3 daily newspapers in the country. In fact you'll see a recurring theme on all the national newspapers from today (gathered here until it updates with tomorrow's front pages).
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Nov 10, 2016 20:40
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ToxicSlurpee posted:In general. Apparently Canada pretty much said they don't want a mass migration of Americans. America doesn't have the greatest reputation right now as is. Some nations are basically saying "you made your mess now clean it up" while ignoring that people wanting to leave are probably not the ones that made it. Certain demographics are looking at the fact that trump promised to target specific entire demographics and are feeling nervous. it's cold???? well poo poo I'm staying here then 
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Nov 10, 2016 20:39
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Pursesnatcher posted:While I can't speak for Canada or Mexico, Norwegians will generally welcome any American leaving the US with open arms. "You're not like THOSE Americans", they'll ask, and you'll nod, and you'll get a pat on the shoulder (this is the Norwegian version of the most intimate, comforting hug you can imagine). If you click this link within the next 3 hours, you'll see why. That's the front page of one of the top 3 daily newspapers in the country. And, I imagine, everywhere else that isn't America. 
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Nov 10, 2016 20:42
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Fuckin Trump Riot posted:it's cold???? well poo poo I'm staying here then It's not that cold, to be honest. This week, sudden snowfalls caused a power outage affecting thousands of people on the southern tip, and despite many being without power for several days, I don't even think anybody even died! Right now there's only a thin layer of ice and snow around Oslo, and temperatures just a few degrees below freezing. Global warming is real, it seems. I remember the cold of my childhood, growing up beyond the wall... but if I started reminiscing about it, I'd just sound like that four-yorkshiremen-sketch from Monty Python.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:48
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Thanks Lizard_Phunk and Pursesnatcher for the sites - unfortunately its much of the same issues. There just doesnt seem to be all that much around being advertised in my field so I guess I'll go with searching for companies and applying speculatively. I've been toying with the idea of setting myself up as an small time independent company a pipe dream but that looks somewhat more likely now out of necessity. My Norwegian is great - if I'm only talking to two year olds. I'm basically playing catch up nearly constantly but I can generally follow a conversation even if I can't contribute to it in any great detail just yet.
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Nov 11, 2016 14:47
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I have a question about immigration. My daughter just graduated high school in Washington State and wants to move to Norway. She has been saying this long before Trump btw. She seems to think that because she is about 50% Norwegian (3rd generation, all on her mothers side), that she would be able to apply and get accepted for college there. We gone so far as looking up the family tree on Ancestry, and have found relatives, but not contacted anyone. She will be starting a Norwegian language class at the local community college next week. Already knows English and Spanish. As for work experience, she can make coffee and server ice cream. lol I guess my question is how realistic would it be for her to get accepted into college there? She is a somewhat accomplished flutist and wants to attend the Norwegian Academy of Music on Oslo. I just want her out of the house. Also she is into the ladies, so don't get any ideas fellas.
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Nov 11, 2016 21:38
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Meydey posted:I have a question about immigration. My daughter just graduated high school in Washington State and wants to move to Norway. She has been saying this long before Trump btw. http://nmh.no/en/ You can check this out yourself, but basically the issue is that for almost ANY bachelor level programme in Norway, you need to document Norwegian abilities. Having a Norwegian relative will not help your daughter in this regard. When it comes to Master's and PhD level programmes, English is usually fine. If she passes one of the required Norwegian tests, getting in is quite realistic.
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Meydey posted:I have a question about immigration. My daughter just graduated high school in Washington State and wants to move to Norway. She has been saying this long before Trump btw. Gut reactions says "lol no". Without living relatives in Norway, any form of "family reunion" sort of arrangement is right out, as «great-grandmothers-daughters-nieces-brothers-husband» sort of arrangements sadly just won't do. With a living ancestor ready to sponsor her things might be easier, but – big "but" incoming – but while there are few requirements on part of the recipient of a family reunion visa, there's a ton of requirements on the sponsor. She needs a living sponsor with a reasonably close relation, able and willing to document a motivation and ability to be a caretaker for her. This means the sponsor needs to meet requirements for income, residency, and several other factors. Additionally, the processing period for family reunion visas is measured in years, not months. It doesn't matter if she's 12 or 39; this bit is the same for everyone. If you want a niece over from the US or a wife over from Thailand, you'll need to show that you're able and willing to feed, clothe and house said family member indefinitely. So disregarding ethnicity and "Norwegian Roots" altogether (which would be smart, with regards to immigration), she'd need some other way in. Now, many Norwegian learning institutions are connected to some international exchange program or other. From what you describe, I'd suspect this would be the easiest way for your daughter to get in. Thousands of Norwegians use this route to get out of the country for a few years, and if she's willing to get an academic degree here, like a BA or MA, that would likely simplify things even more.
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Nov 12, 2016 02:06
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Thanks for both of the replies. One of her grandparents suggested she work with the local Sons of Norway group and see what assistance they could provide. Of course they got a brochure while at a local monthly lutefisk dinner.
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Meydey posted:Thanks for both of the replies. One of her grandparents suggested she work with the local Sons of Norway group and see what assistance they could provide. Of course they got a brochure while at a local monthly lutefisk dinner. Have to say I'm extremely fascinated by these Norwegian traditions in the US. I just wanted to say three things: - It's not a problem to study in Norway for an American. If she truly is into going here, she should be able to pass one of the Norwegian tests listed on the website I linked earlier. "Bergenstesten" is the gold standard, but some of the other tests are actually easier. - Perhaps there are scholarships she could apply to. She would only need to cover cost of living (and maybe Norwegian courses + the test). For a student, living in a collective in the middle of the city is completely acceptable and can get as low as 3000-5000NOK per month. It is very safe. At 18, Norwegians are considered adults and the ones moving to their own flats are usually quite responsible. She wouldn't need a car and perhaps not even money public transport depending on where she lives. Students usually have part time jobs (unless their parents are loaded and they live at home) and she could easily pull her weight this way if he VISA allows it. - Contact the College in question and ask for advice. I'm thinking that being a flutist might offer her an advantage (I'm not sure about this). One thing I do know from working in admissions and student counselling at the University of Oslo is that you guys should look into whether her high school education is accepted in Norway. I've been involed in cases where Americans had to prove that they had 3 year high school + 1 year of University level education because US high schools can be less advanced than the minimum standard in Norway ("GSK" - generell studiekompetanse/general competency for study, eg. whatever's required to study at a higher level). I feel for your daughter because she could do this with enough motivation. I went to Japan at 16 and learned Japanese and had to figure this stuff out without any support (I got a scholarship and wrangled the bureaucracy on my own). Is it directly applicable to what I do now? No. Was it worth it? Definitely. edit: not to get personal, but ladies being into ladies is absolutely no problem. There are a couple of very well established gay/lesbian/LGBT in general pubs. In general, being "against" homosexuality is not accepted in the cities (countryside is a different matter - which is why gay communities are thriving in Oslo). lizard_phunk fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Nov 13, 2016 |
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Have you looked into Fulbright? That's usually what Norwegians do when they dream of America, but seems it goes both ways. They list additional funding sources too. http://www.fulbright.no/en/destination_norway/
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