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I think Zizek is right. It would be better for the left if protesters stopped protesting and thought about what should actually be done.
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Agnosticnixie posted:Anytime even the milquetoastiest of social democrats puts a plan forward it's shut down as "impossible lol you poor summer child, please vote for more neoliberalism instead" Actually neolibs love protesting. It makes their constituency feel busy while nothing gets done and the political pressure gets transferred to local governments and police. Now is the time for planning, and strategy, for figuring out what the left's next step is. We all know that the protests aren't going to do anything, they aren't going to bring about any changes or have ANY positive effect because they aren't for anything. These protests are blatantly just about making people feel better while giving them the illusion that they also somehow making a difference. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/797034721075228672 The neolib wing is shattered! Now is our chance to seize the reins, but its not going to happen if we just go out into the streets at night and act like idiots for the cameras. The neolibs won't waste their time with that nonsense and neither should we. The Kingfish fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Nov 11, 2016 23:06
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Oh wow we are going to have so much solidarity now what an excellent and successful protest. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 11, 2016 23:10
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A big flaming stink posted:Let me be clear, protesting is in no way remotely sufficient. It's a first step that has to be followed by many others from organizing to a cohesive plan with goals. My personal hope, though hope is a lie obviously, is that this popular sentiment can be refined into a grassroots movement that will place immense pressure on the Democrat Party to resist Trump and adopt actual leftism. Its a cliche, but the Democratic Tea Party would feel pretty good. A big flaming stink posted:[solidarity is important] to show would-be skinheads that there are plenty of people that have some pointed remarks about them trying to smash people's houses and harass/assault people they view as other. The Kingfish fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Nov 11, 2016 23:23
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Kingfish is an avowed white supremacist, just put them on ignore. No I'm loving not you crybaby corncobber Agnosticnixie posted:Neolibs only love protesting when it's not against them. Clinton went down hard at the anti-globalization protests, and we also got the incredibly tepid reaction to BLM until they became politically expedient to support, and the additional "lol gently caress occupy" before that. Protesting the DNC is an awesome idea, people should be doing that. That might help right now. These protests against Trump are masturbatory and people are openly admitting as much.
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Nov 11, 2016 23:24
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A big flaming stink posted:At the risk of trotting out "we can do more than one thing at the same time," nearly every protest I've heard about have had calls to meet to organize next week into something more cohesive. I'll be happy when organization is happening and unhappy when it isn't. A divisive election is now over in America, nobody needs to be told that half of us are pissed off and freaked out. This happens every 4/8 years.
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Nov 11, 2016 23:40
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Doorknob Slobber posted:laugh if you think its just four years. Protesting to have a good time and to jerk off about how much solidarity we all have is not standing up for our rights. Don't be naive.
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Nov 11, 2016 23:44
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apokaladle posted:I don't know about you but I don't think protesting is fun? I'm a weird awkward nerd, I'd much rather be waiting for the new Pokémon game or shitposting instead of getting tear gassed. I came out because I needed to remind myself of what was important, because I knew I couldn't afford to sit around crying, and listening to the speakers and talking with people in my community has inspired me to get involved in a way I haven't for years. This is part of my mourning, and now I organize. What you are describing is catharsis and it's why I think masturbation analogies are apt. You show up and cry and listen and feel connected and then you've protested and can go home to feel warm about your solidarity.
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Nov 11, 2016 23:53
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apokaladle posted:I'm going to sign up with my local chapter of the IWW on Sunday. I'm also attending other community meetings in the upcoming weeks. It's certainly possible to stop at catharsis, and it's up to me to maintain the discipline not to do so.  that's great man I'm glad to here it!
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