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VOTING IS NOW CLOSED, please continue to use this thread for discussion until (and after!) the deadline! Back for year three! Welcome the SAS MLB Hall of Fame balloting thread. Before we get started, let's take a look at our class from last year: Ken Griffey Jr. Edgar Martinez Mark McGwire Mike Mussina Tim Raines They join the inaugural class of 2015 Jeff Bagwell Craig Biggio Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Randy Johnson Pedro Martinez Mike Piazza John Smoltz Larry Walker Good job, guys So what is the SAS MLB Hall of Fame Ballot? Well, every year the BWAA votes on the MLB Hall of Fame, and every year we watch as they inevitably gently caress it up. With all the talk, I'd like to see who we would put into the hall. I'm going to keep track of this through multiple years (so far so good!), so when we induct players and the writers don't, they won't appear on the next ballot (and vice versa). I also changed the rules a bit, because the BBWA is dumb. A player must be on at least 75% of ballots cast to qualify for the SAS MLB Hall of Fame There is no limitation on players you can vote for. You want to vote for 12 guys? Go for it. Only three are deserving? Then only vote for them. Because of this, the bar for entry has been raised, and players will fall off the ballot if they fail to reach a certain percentage, based on how many years they've been on the ballot. - First year: 25% - Second year: 50% - Third year: 75% - three strikes and you're out It's a pretty simple system so the rules aren't difficult! Last year had five inductees, six who didn't make it but moved on to this year, and thirteen who fell off. What? You say 24 players seems like a small ballot? That's what happens when you don't have dumb rules that cause a bunch of players to sit in limbo forever! Here is the list of 2017 hopefuls: Danys Baez Casey Blake Pat Burrell Orlando Cabrera Mike Cameron J.D. Drew Jim Edmonds Vladimir Guerrero Carlos Guillen Trevor Hoffman Derrek Lee Julio Lugo Melvin Mora Magglio Ordonez Jorge Posada Manny Ramirez Edgar Rentaria Arthur Rhodes Ivan Rodriguez Aaron Rowand Freddy Sanchez Curt Schilling Gary Sheffield Matt Stairs Alan Trammell Jason Varitek Javier Vazquez Billy Wagner Tim Wakefield Also this year I've added two BONUS QUESTIONS. They are both a simple yes or no answer, and both will be a one time shot at getting the required 75% to get into our hall. Should Pete Rose be in the SAS Baseball Hall of Fame? (y/n) Should "Shoeless" Joe Jackson be in the SAS Baseball Hall of Fame? (y/n) Voting is absolutely subjective, but feel free to post about why you feel guys should or should not be hall of famers in here. This year I'm posting this thread a bit early to allow for discussion before voting. The Ballot will open on December First (hopefully at midnight est but otherwise it will be in the morning if I need to get to bed early for work), and you will have until 11:59pm EST on December 30th to vote. I plan on revealing the results, as well as all the ballots, on New Year's Day. IcePhoenix fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Dec 31, 2016 |
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Nov 22, 2016 19:24
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Voting for Curt Schilling is going to physically cause me pain.
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Nov 22, 2016 19:29
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My immediate thought was to find out if I could use all of my votes for Moose, but I see SAS already did the right thing on that count! (CATCH THE gently caress UP BBWAA!)
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Nov 22, 2016 19:30
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I just want to get it out there that Jim Edmonds was Really loving Good and you should vote for him. Look at that 12 year stretch  Even if you think he was average defensively, putting up that kind of offense as an average defensive center fielder is pretty awesome.
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Nov 22, 2016 19:45
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IcePhoenix posted:I just want to get it out there that Jim Edmonds was Really loving Good and you should vote for him. This man speaks the truth and gently caress you all for not voting Jimmy Ballgame last year.
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Nov 22, 2016 19:55
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While were' statsing it up in this thread...
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Nov 22, 2016 20:14
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 DO THE RIGHT THING, SAS  Shoeless Joe can gently caress off forever, though
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Nov 22, 2016 20:35
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Paul Zuvella posted:Voting for Curt Schilling is going to physically cause me pain. I said it last year, I'll say it this year. Curt Schilling is scum and I refuse to vote for him.
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Nov 22, 2016 20:38
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vote for Jorge Posada, because the BBWAA sure won't the guy hit .279/.380/.484 over a 12 season peak. he did this as a catcher (!) and was a lineup anchor for four title teams, he deserves a spot (Pudge put up similar stats and he's a lock, for some reason  )
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Nov 22, 2016 20:40
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Carlosologist posted:(Pudge put up similar stats and he's a lock, for some reason Probably the career 46% CS compared to 28% for Posada
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Nov 22, 2016 20:43
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Yeah, I'm a huge yankees homer and Pudge is lightyears better than Jorge and I love Jorge to death. That being said, Jorge is totally a HoFer.
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Nov 22, 2016 21:11
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Jorge Posada's candidacy will always be damaged in my eyes by the time I went to a Twins-Yankees game where I saw someone wearing a shirt that said "Jorge Posada is a Little Bitch," and thus from that day forward he was always Jorge "Little Bitch" Posada to my group of friends. Like, could you vote for someone who's nickname was "Little Bitch"? This is one of many factors that I have to struggle with when deciding if I should vote for him.
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Nov 22, 2016 21:20
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Paul Zuvella posted:Yeah, I'm a huge yankees homer and Pudge is lightyears better than Jorge and I love Jorge to death. Both were amazing players. Pudge was a superior catcher.
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Nov 22, 2016 21:22
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Carlosologist posted:vote for Jorge Posada, because the BBWAA sure won't code: edit: oops my numbers were off Reformed Pissboy fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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Nov 22, 2016 21:28
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You can vote for Posada and Rodriguez
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Nov 23, 2016 01:48
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Grant Brisbee pointed out that like, half the lineup of the first EYBS world series team is on the ballot this year. There's some good Giants on that list, and Aaron Rowand is on it, too.
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Nov 23, 2016 02:00
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The Pussy Boss posted:Grant Brisbee pointed out that like, half the lineup of the first EYBS world series team is on the ballot this year. There's some good Giants on that list, and Aaron Rowand is on it, too. Some old Cardinal became chair of the Veteran's Committee and dedicated his time in that post to cronyism/getting as many of his old teammates into the Hall of Fame via the V.C. as possible. Hence there are a glut of marginal Hall of Famers from the Cardinals (and Giants, who he also played with). [Had to look it up. It's Frankie Frisch. Apologies to Red Schoendienst, who I initially (mis)remembered as the guy and whose name I never could've spelled correctly without looking it up.] Basically, what I'm saying is, just because those Founding Fathers Of EYBS probably don't seem like Hall Of Famers doesn't mean they can't be Hall Of Famers. 
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Nov 23, 2016 04:42
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JeterianGiftBasket posted:
While true, the argument being made was that Posada put up the same/similar stats to Pudge and thus should be an easy vote like Pudge is, so people are listing all the reasons that's a flawed argument.
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Nov 23, 2016 14:42
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Mister Perky posted:Some old Cardinal became chair of the Veteran's Committee and dedicated his time in that post to cronyism/getting as many of his old teammates into the Hall of Fame via the V.C. as possible. Hence there are a glut of marginal Hall of Famers from the Cardinals (and Giants, who he also played with). Bob Gibson needs to take over the VC so that Curt Flood can finally get his due. Speaking of, would an SAS Veterans Committee vote be impossible to manage logistically?
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Nov 23, 2016 14:50
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Not impossible but I'm sure not doing it.
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Nov 23, 2016 14:55
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IcePhoenix posted:Not impossible but I'm sure not doing it. Goon  project: Re-vote for the entire HoF by decades.
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Nov 23, 2016 16:05
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tadashi posted:Goon That got brought up in the first year, actually. Making the ballot would be easy but it would be a pain in the rear end to vote on. I'd be shocked if I even got 25 serious votes.
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Nov 23, 2016 16:11
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IcePhoenix posted:That got brought up in the first year, actually. Making the ballot would be easy but it would be a pain in the rear end to vote on. I'd be shocked if I even got 25 serious votes. Yeah, it would almost have to start with Ted Williams-era players because who the gently caress understands how baseball worked pre-1935?
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Nov 23, 2016 16:53
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Um, you seem to have missed MATT STAIRS off your list of eligible players this year.
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Nov 25, 2016 10:34
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dsriggs posted:
Double gently caress Pete Rose.
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Nov 25, 2016 19:37
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Quasimango posted:Um, you seem to have missed MATT STAIRS off your list of eligible players this year. take it up with baseball-reference
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Nov 25, 2016 19:49
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IcePhoenix posted:take it up with baseball-reference There's still some teams he didn't play for so I'm sure he'll be coming out of retirement anyway. But here's an actual ballot: http://i.imgur.com/9AbCtY5.jpg 34 names. Per wiki, that BR list isn't even close to complete. Players who were eligible for the first time who were not included on the ballot were: Josh Bard, Danys Báez, Milton Bradley, Russell Branyan, Juan Castro, Ramon Castro, Alex Cora, Craig Counsell, Jack Cust, Doug Davis, Adam Everett, Ryan Franklin, Ross Gload, Wes Helms, Mark Hendrickson, Scott Linebrink, Felipe Lopez, Julio Lugo, Jason Michaels, Trever Miller, Corey Patterson, Joel Pineiro, Dennys Reyes, Aaron Rowand, Marcus Thames, Brett Tomko, Javier Vázquez, and Chris Woodward. It's like a who's who of players that you haven't thought about in years.
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Nov 25, 2016 20:10
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Craig Counsell is first ballot in the batting stance hall of fame
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Nov 25, 2016 21:31
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IcePhoenix posted:take it up with baseball-reference BBRef filters the list by their Hall of Fame Monitor stat, so Stairs and Casey Blake are missing from it but are on the official ballot!
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Nov 26, 2016 00:15
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Thibs' tracker for the 2017 actual/lame Hall vote is live, and already Pudge Rodriguez is the only guy at 100%. At 4 ballots in. bit.ly/bbhof2017
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Nov 27, 2016 02:16
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Ready! Set! Blow! posted:Thibs' tracker for the 2017 actual/lame Hall vote is live, and already Pudge Rodriguez is the only guy at 100%. Stop the voting right now. A class of Bagwell, Bonds, Clemens, Raines, Edgar and Pudge would be awesome. With Lee Smith and Hoffman at the edge of the stage wondering how in the Hell it happened.
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Nov 27, 2016 02:45
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Vlad Guerrero should be in the HOF, because of reasons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s29G5pJPrVo And because it was fun watching swing and hit at balls thrown anywhere and everywhere.
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Nov 27, 2016 04:15
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I'm not sure I think Vlad should actually be in (or at least actually get votes on the current real ballot) but I'd be really happy if he was. He's the opposite of Schilling, who I would vote for but really enjoy watching fall short every year.
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Nov 27, 2016 16:39
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MourningView posted:I'm not sure I think Vlad should actually be in (or at least actually get votes on the current real ballot) but I'd be really happy if he was. He's the opposite of Schilling, who I would vote for but really enjoy watching fall short every year. The thing I keep coming back to on Vlad was he was an excellent hitter. He has the same career OPS+ as Gary Sheffield, who I know is quite popular around here. Vlad had a better career OPS+ than any currently playing right fielder except Stanton (anecdotal sample, I know...). Al Kaline had a 138 OPS+ through his first 16 seasons. Vlad's a tougher choice than I thought. The real world HoF crime is going to be Hoffman getting in because saves but not Billy Wagner, who had a better career by rate stats but wasn't a closer. tadashi fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Nov 28, 2016 |
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Nov 28, 2016 15:27
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Ready! Set! Blow! posted:Thibs' tracker for the 2017 actual/lame Hall vote is live, and already Pudge Rodriguez is the only guy at 100%. Hey why do they bother sending Jim Baumbach a ballot?
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Nov 28, 2016 15:49
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tadashi posted:The thing I keep coming back to on Vlad was he was an excellent hitter. He has the same career OPS+ as Gary Sheffield, who I know is quite popular around here. Vlad had a better career OPS+ than any currently playing right fielder except Stanton (anecdotal sample, I know...). Al Kaline had a 138 OPS+ through his first 16 seasons. Wagner was a closer what are you talking about. He just got fewer opportunities. And yeah, he absolutely should be in more than Hoffman, if you were only going to pick one. Also the thing that puts Vlad from a "hmmm..." to a "hell yeah" for me is his defense. Which maybe wasn't the best but oh my god that arm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdzM02BgL-k
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Nov 28, 2016 16:03
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The chances that Vlad is actually going to be shut out for all 10 years are really low, IMO.
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Nov 28, 2016 16:08
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Spring Break My Heart posted:The chances that Vlad is actually going to be shut out for all 10 years are really low, IMO. I worry about the conflict between the writers that will ignore the PED allegations against players and keep voting for them while their ballots fill up. It's going to start making it tough for guys who might get in like Vlad but will slip off their ballots while they continue to vote for players whose eligibility drag on thanks to anti-PED voters. There are plenty of guys like Edgar and Vlad who I think deserve an up-or-down vote and might not get it.
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Nov 28, 2016 17:28
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tadashi posted:I worry about the conflict between the writers that will ignore the PED allegations against players and keep voting for them while their ballots fill up. It's going to start making it tough for guys who might get in like Vlad but will slip off their ballots while they continue to vote for players whose eligibility drag on thanks to anti-PED voters. There are plenty of guys like Edgar and Vlad who I think deserve an up-or-down vote and might not get it.
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Nov 28, 2016 17:52
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Tony Phillips posted:But here's an actual ballot: Some of these players we voted in/dropped off already so it's never going to match up completely. But I added Casey Blake and Matt Stairs so you can get your comedy voting on. Ready! Set! Blow! posted:Thibs' tracker for the 2017 actual/lame Hall vote is live, and already Pudge Rodriguez is the only guy at 100%. Four ballots in and there's nobody at 100% anymore lol. But Schilling has already lost two votes so that's cool.
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