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precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
T2 Trainspotting is the sequel to Danny Boyle's film Trainspotting. It is not to be confused with Glue, Porno, A Decent Ride or The Knife Artist, which are all "sequels" to Irvine Welsh's Trainspotting (or Skagboys, which is a prequel). T2 is an entirely new script/story that (probably) disregards everything in the sequel novels.

Boyle and the rest of the (surviving) cast return, and all of them said it would only happen if the script was good. Robert Carlyle (Franco Begbie) claims it is "the best script [he's] ever read".

Here is the trailer (NWS):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGdiACWiMAM

Early reviews have started coming in, as it releases January 27 in the UK. Us poor Americans have to wait until March. Early reviews are that it is very good and not remotely a cash-in.

It has been described as a film about men having a midlife crisis and coming to terms with their own mortality. This includes drugs, fast cars, women, crime, etc.

I am beyond hyped for this!

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Ramagamma
Feb 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
I wouldn't say I'm excited about this but I'm cautiously optimistic, never in doubt it would live up to the original and my main hope was that it didn't tarnish it's reputation. Reviews seem to indicate that is the case so roll on Friday night.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
I think it's a good sign that the budget for this was only 18 million, and that all the actors worked for cheap.

testtubebaby
Apr 7, 2008

Where we're going,
we won't need eyes to see.


precision posted:

It has been described as a film about men having a midlife crisis and coming to terms with their own mortality. This includes drugs, fast cars, women, crime, etc.

I am extremely pumped for The World's End 2

Crayfish
May 7, 2009
Bit of an odd film really, not a patch on the first Trainspotting but it was never going to live up to that I don't think.

There are some brilliant moments peppered throughout (The orange lodge scene had me in tears) and the soundtrack is fantastic, definitely worth a watch if you loved the first film and feel like ODing on nostalgia.

Kin
Nov 4, 2003

Sometimes, in a city this dirty, you need a real hero.

Crayfish posted:

feel like ODing on nostalgia.

This is pretty much what a lot of the flim is. It's almost meta how much it just keeps harping on about the first one.

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Crayfish posted:

Bit of an odd film really, not a patch on the first Trainspotting but it was never going to live up to that I don't think.

There are some brilliant moments peppered throughout (The orange lodge scene had me in tears) and the soundtrack is fantastic, definitely worth a watch if you loved the first film and feel like ODing on nostalgia.

Couldn't disagree more, thought it was leagues ahead of the original. Might just be because I identify more with 40-somethings (as a pessimistic 32 yo), or maybe just that Danny Boyle has come so far as a visual director. Those shots of the Royal Mile really made the most of Edinburgh's mediaeval ambience, and all the theatrical stuff with shadows and mirrors worked perfectly for me. Killer last shot too.

And the use of Born Slippy, heard as a faint barely-remembered melody, was spot on

Ramagamma
Feb 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
I am very excited to see this tomorrow night in the cinema but for tonight I've got some mates over and my dvd copy of the original Trainspotting to get us in the spirit

Brand New Malaysian Wife
Apr 5, 2007
I encourage children who are bullied to kill themselves. In fact, I get off to it. Pedophilia-snuff films are the best. More abused children need to kill themselves.
Just saw it, thought it was loving brilliant- to the point of eclipsing the first film. I'm also a fan or the book it's based on (Porno) and thought the difference between this film and that book made sense in terms of adapting it for film.

Stand out performance was by Ewen Bremner (Spud).

Kin
Nov 4, 2003

Sometimes, in a city this dirty, you need a real hero.

Ramagamma posted:

I am very excited to see this tomorrow night in the cinema but for tonight I've got some mates over and my dvd copy of the original Trainspotting to get us in the spirit

You won't need to watch it. T2 will have you covered for going through pretty much all the really good bits of the first one.

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Brand New Malaysian Wife posted:

Just saw it, thought it was loving brilliant- to the point of eclipsing the first film. I'm also a fan or the book it's based on (Porno) and thought the difference between this film and that book made sense in terms of adapting it for film.

Stand out performance was by Ewen Bremner (Spud).

Yeah Spud was great

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Brand New Malaysian Wife posted:

Just saw it, thought it was loving brilliant- to the point of eclipsing the first film. I'm also a fan or the book it's based on (Porno)

Oh, so it is based on Porno? I'd heard it wasn't, and I was glad because I thought Porno was a bit lazy. Good to hear the film's good though, and I would not at all mind a film version of A Decent Ride.

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

precision posted:

Oh, so it is based on Porno? I'd heard it wasn't, and I was glad because I thought Porno was a bit lazy. Good to hear the film's good though, and I would not at all mind a film version of A Decent Ride.

I haven't read Porno, but the missus did and she said they took some elements from it and binned a lot of the shite.

For the record, Filth was the worst book I've ever read so I actually think Welsh is a pretty bad writer

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
Have you read The Sex Lives of Siamese Twins? It's by far his worst novel (I haven't read The Knife Artist yet). It's just relentlessly vile and unpleasant and doesn't even have a clever plot to sustain it. It's misery porn at its worst.

The sequel to Filth, Crime, is a completely different tone and actually was quite heartbreaking.

Welsh is wildly inconsistent.

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich
Nah I would never read him again after Filth, but the missus days that Sex lives book is the worst thing SHE'S ever read.

I can just picture him sitting at a typewriter chuckling about how he's gonna really shock all the squares with his gross stupid poo poo, the dopey Scottish oval office

Brand New Malaysian Wife
Apr 5, 2007
I encourage children who are bullied to kill themselves. In fact, I get off to it. Pedophilia-snuff films are the best. More abused children need to kill themselves.

precision posted:

Oh, so it is based on Porno? I'd heard it wasn't, and I was glad because I thought Porno was a bit lazy. Good to hear the film's good though, and I would not at all mind a film version of A Decent Ride.

Loosely based on Porno but the end is pretty different.

Seaside Loafer
Feb 7, 2012

Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

WeAreTheRomans posted:

Nah I would never read him again after Filth, but the missus days that Sex lives book is the worst thing SHE'S ever read.

I can just picture him sitting at a typewriter chuckling about how he's gonna really shock all the squares with his gross stupid poo poo, the dopey Scottish oval office
The film of filth was entertaining in a rather macabre way, its on Netflix.

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

Seaside Loafer posted:

The film of filth was entertaining in a rather macabre way, its on Netflix.

Yeah it's pretty grim and uncomfortable to watch but McAvoy is great in it. He plays a bastard really well.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!
It captures being middle aged in the 2010s pretty well I'd say. It's pretty much about how nothing worked out for anyone.

I dunno if I can decide that it's a good thing to do or a bad thing. Renton was clever and had a load of money, I'm surprised that he didn't do better really.

Disgusting Coward
Feb 17, 2014
If you flick forward page by page, you can actually see the precise moment that being rich and famous totally torpedoed Irvine Welsh's ability to write a good book. Twentieth page of the Carl Ewart Munich section in "Glue" - the big cringey spiel about how great it is to be a rich young man from working class Scotland but ooop, tempus fugit you guys we've got to get our thrills while we can so let's have a big ol' rave with Germans ha ha ha and everyone stood up and clapped! Cuntybaws was hosed after that, fuckin' Tweety Bird looking bawjaws sitting down in his million dollar mansion still trying to write about being a dole mole Enbrar scummer while listening to the fuckin' Chemical Brothers on his bluetooth iPod docking station fucker.

But I digress.

Saw T2 Trainspotting: Judgement Day today and was surprised how much I enjoyed it. Some flabby sections - the tribute to Tommy in particular stands out - and a lot of stuff that kind comes from nowhere and goes nowhere like the whole dumped naked in the woods by a gangster thing, but in a way that kinda seemed like the point of the film. These dudes spasmed into activity, convinced that they had one last throw of the dice to hit their happy ending, only to find that poo poo doesn't happen like that and life just continues until it doesn't and then your young friend who you thought you'd gotten through to proceeds to ignore you and make the exact same mistakes as you did, just like what happened with your parents before you. Grim, but kinda life affirming at the same time - no matter how bad you gently caress up or fail, we're all kinda destined for a wet squib shart anyway so you'd be as well enjoying yourself so you at least have a few stories to look back on in the shitey times.

Incidentally, in the nightclub when Run DMC were playing - is that weird synchronized dance everyone was doing A Real Thing like the Cha Cha Slide or the Slosh? Should I be learning how to do that?

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Disgusting Coward posted:

Incidentally, in the nightclub when Run DMC were playing - is that weird synchronized dance everyone was doing A Real Thing like the Cha Cha Slide or the Slosh? Should I be learning how to do that?

Well the RUN DMC vs Jason Nevins remix had a video which featured some dance-off poo poo, so maybe? Getting low is not an uncommon thing to happen en masse in a club

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Disgusting Coward posted:

If you flick forward page by page, you can actually see the precise moment that being rich and famous totally torpedoed Irvine Welsh's ability to write a good book. Twentieth page of the Carl Ewart Munich section in "Glue" - the big cringey spiel about how great it is to be a rich young man from working class Scotland but ooop, tempus fugit you guys we've got to get our thrills while we can so let's have a big ol' rave with Germans ha ha ha and everyone stood up and clapped! Cuntybaws was hosed after that, fuckin' Tweety Bird looking bawjaws sitting down in his million dollar mansion still trying to write about being a dole mole Enbrar scummer while listening to the fuckin' Chemical Brothers on his bluetooth iPod docking station fucker.

I broadly agree but I will re-iterate that A Decent Ride ended up being actually pretty good, though it helps that I listened to the audiobook rather than read it (except for the chapter this consists of nothing but the word "freedom" being shouted literally about a thousand times, it's OK to abridge that part guys).

I've also heard The Knife Artist is okay (it's all about Begbie). Bedroom Secrets of the Master Chefs was very good but I think that that novel being good is what convinced him that he should be writing about America, and that's what gave us Sex Lives of Siamese Twins, the novel so angry I refuse to even bold its title.

e: the film version of Filth really is great, I may even like it better than the novel though I didn't dislike the novel by any means. I think Glue is his best, for the record.

Ramagamma
Feb 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Filth was a really hosed up movie morally, way more than either Trainspotting, certainly enjoyed it though and James Mcavoy is a god damm national treasure. Keep meaning to see Last King of Scotland.

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Ramagamma posted:

Keep meaning to see Last King of Scotland.

It's really good

vivisectvnv
Aug 5, 2003
Very psyched for this. What's the release date for the states?

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
Based on the trailer none of these actors look nearly grizzled enough to be playing aging junkies. They all look the same or better than they did in the 1990s.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

Helsing posted:

Based on the trailer none of these actors look nearly grizzled enough to be playing aging junkies. They all look the same or better than they did in the 1990s.

No you see, they aged back in the 90's due to all the heroin and looked 20 years older. But then they kicked the habit and just haven't aged since.

vivisectvnv posted:

Very psyched for this. What's the release date for the states?

Looks like March 17, and here I was hyped with all the thread activity only to read your post and realize it wasn't even out here yet.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Helsing posted:

Based on the trailer none of these actors look nearly grizzled enough to be playing aging junkies. They all look the same or better than they did in the 1990s.

Heroin actually does a pretty good job of "preserving" the body, as it essentially stops you from aging. It's why junkies never need to eat food, for example.

Brand New Malaysian Wife
Apr 5, 2007
I encourage children who are bullied to kill themselves. In fact, I get off to it. Pedophilia-snuff films are the best. More abused children need to kill themselves.
The second film has a few flashbacks to the first and you can certainly see the difference in terms of how they've aged.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..
I found this to be a really good and impactful movie. Also the sort of movie I'm very happy to have watched in a sold-out theatre in Glasgow.

What I really liked about this was that it really looked back on the attitude that surrounded the first movie. Where the first one happened in the middle of the new economy and 90s optimism, this one looks back and how all that 'promise' was superficial to most people. This leaves everyone dealing with the past. For most of the characters, this means being tied to events or things of the past, and this stops them from moving on. Only Spud finds a measure of success and fulfillment. This is because (1) he's able to organize the past into a way that is has real meaning, and (2) he's able to find value in something more than his own experiences (a pointed contrast with the 90s promise of headonism). Really puts the point on "first opportunity, then betrayal."

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



Really enjoyed. Great followup to an absolutely classic film, without relying on reliving the original, a good look at a bunch of people who are almost nostalgic for their past, having more-or-less grown up.

I'm not sure at all how well it would work for someone who hasn't seen the original though - the film absolutely takes as read that you've seen it, and it'll make a lot less sense without.

Overall very good, and with (another) cracking soundtrack. Pleasantly surprised to hear a bit of rubberbandits in there!
The slew of 4-star reviews feel fairly accurate, I'd really struggle to give it a 5, and I'm not sure how rewatchable it'll be.

Calvin_exq3
Jan 6, 2004

Hand Knit posted:

I found this to be a really good and impactful movie. Also the sort of movie I'm very happy to have watched in a sold-out theatre in Glasgow.

What I really liked about this was that it really looked back on the attitude that surrounded the first movie. Where the first one happened in the middle of the new economy and 90s optimism, this one looks back and how all that 'promise' was superficial to most people. This leaves everyone dealing with the past. For most of the characters, this means being tied to events or things of the past, and this stops them from moving on. Only Spud finds a measure of success and fulfillment. This is because (1) he's able to organize the past into a way that is has real meaning, and (2) he's able to find value in something more than his own experiences (a pointed contrast with the 90s promise of headonism). Really puts the point on "first opportunity, then betrayal."

Totally agree with it being impactful. I saw it on Sunday and its been in my mind all week. It was really aimed at someone like myself who has had 20 years of adult life pass them by since the first one came out, so I'm not sure how younger people will enjoy it. Probably pretty hit or miss.

All the various emotions about looking back and being stuck in the past were great but I did really like Renton's crisis where he was despairing about what he's going to do with the 30 years he has left. Something I've felt recently.

Overall a great companion to the first film.

Calvin_exq3 fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Feb 3, 2017

Ramagamma
Feb 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
I've went back and watched the first Trainspotting twice since seeing the sequel, its not fair to compare obviously given I've seen T2 once and T1 about half a dozen times in my lifetime but jesus that first movie is such a almost perfect film. Other than 2 scenes that stike me as somewhat throwaway - Begbie getting off with a prostitute and the lads beating up an American fellow that comes into their local pub - every single scene in that film is golden and I don't think you could pick more perfect music choices either.

Can't wait to watch T2 again, my initial reaction was it's peaks were stronger than the original but without the overall quality of the first and it'll be interesting to see how that theory stands up after repeat viewings.

BOAT SHOWBOAT
Oct 11, 2007

who do you carry the torch for, my young man?
Caught a preview screening of this in Australia and want to reiterate that it's great. There's stuff done in this film visually that no one else is doing, it follows up and honours the original while also being it's own thing, full of laughs and also pathos.

Qmass
Jun 3, 2003

I loved the original but this new one did absolutely nothing for me. Some cool shots - interesting use of projectors - and the spud suicide attempt was very well done. I just didn't get anything deeper out of it than face value, unlike the first film.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
If you didn't get to see it in theaters (like me) it will be available on Vudu on the 13th for $15

http://www.vudu.com/movies/#!content/844753/T2-Trainspotting

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
Finally got to see it! We watched the first one immediately prior in order to have the Total Experience and

eh boyo too fookin' right ye oval office ye this is a propah sequel that revisits the world problems an' characters withoot feelin' like a dosh grab, slimy wee bastard that Danny Boyle ye ken he coulda just phoned it in wi' nostalgia but fwah ye beauty

ahem

There are so many subtle and clever visuals in this, like when Renton is sitting at the dinner table with his dad and his shadow looks like his mom. Movie is full of shite like that and it's all brilliant. Seriously can't believe the budget was so small because it looks dead gorgeous. The Orange Lodge scene was the funniest poo poo I've seen in yonks. Spud literally becoming Irvine Welsh made so much sense I can't comprehend how I never considered that may have been the case all along. Everyone just did a fantastic job. I wish Diane had been in it a bit more but it makes sense that she wasn't, as she was barely in the original (though she was in the novel a LOT more).

gently caress, met and exceeded expectations by leaps and bounds, gently caress.

"I think she'll particularly enjoy the interlude with the strap-on. I know I did."

Ye beauty ye

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I've never seen the first Trainspotting, how hosed am I if I try to watch these back to back?

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
Both together are only 3.5 hours and they're not slow films. Both are ultimately pretty positive so you're not likely to feel too drained or anything.

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Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Taintrunner posted:

I've never seen the first Trainspotting, how hosed am I if I try to watch these back to back?

T2 has so much to do with memory, nostalgia, and failed dreams that watching Trainspotting first is probably pretty important.

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