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china is communist like the democratic people's republic of korea is democratic OP
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06-XcAiswY4
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Dec 10, 2017 12:10
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Technological advances aren't the same as changing human nature, unless they come up with a chip that controls how people think/feel and I don't think even the communist fans want that.
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Dec 10, 2017 13:08
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the only two options are western capitalism and soviet and chinese authoritarianism there is no other option. let me constantly smear you whenever you say there's another option.
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Dec 10, 2017 18:22
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soviet authoritarianism at its fundamental core is a tiny minority of people telling everyone else what to do and then deciding what to do with what is produced american capitalism at its fundamental core is a tiny minority of people telling everyone else what to do and then deciding what to do with what is produced
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Dec 10, 2017 18:25
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you need quite a limited imagination to assert that there is no other option but to only submit to a tiny minority which is why the schools and universities and mass media work tirelessly to cultivate such a limited imagination
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Dec 10, 2017 18:25
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yeah I eat rear end posted:My argument ITT is that no matter how you try to implement "true" communism, it will eventually turn into soviet/chinese style authoritarianism. Of course there are other forms of government besides those two, but this thread is specifically about communism. Lots of young people nowadays are going around chanting "full communism now" and death to america etc, and my point is that they are morons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDiDt74Fyss
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Dec 10, 2017 18:42
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There was more socialism in germany and western europe than soviet russia. If you go by the traditional socialist definition of workers controlling production instead of a tiny minority. By this definition, soviet russia is very anti-socialist. https://youtu.be/06-XcAiswY4?t=140
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Dec 10, 2017 19:15
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yeah I eat rear end posted:it's not that great tbh, I have to pay like 20% of my monthly salary for the free healthcare that I rarely have to use. Most bankruptcies in the United States have causes related to medical expenses.  
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Dec 10, 2017 19:45
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If you were a white collar worker in America receiving healthcare benefits, the amount you pay monthly is likely far below what the company pays for insurance as part of your compensation. You also pay large amounts of compulsory taxes for medicare and medicaid. The payroll taxes for these public healthcare programs are also additionally "matched" by the employer. This is just dumb accounting trickery to hide part of your compensation that you are paying for these programs. A fair comparison between how much you pay in germany and the US would account for all of these costs. If someone makes an argument that American healthcare is great because at least they don't have to pay all those taxes out of their paycheck for healthcare, they are ignorant or an idiot. A remarkable fact is that taxes on public sector healthcare in the US exceeds all per capita spending of private and public sector healthcare in the UK.
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Dec 10, 2017 20:05
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A slave-master would have large economic incentive to keep their slave healthy. In the United States, Amazon parked ambulances outside of work facilities to deliver heat casualties to the hospital instead of installing air conditioning. Illness or death due to overheating is a market externality for them. Amazon did discontinue the practice after public outrage, but it is likely companies in other parts of the world looking to maximize profits will follow similar practices. Repeat this phenomenon with other workplace practices imposed by employers that reduce employee safety and health but maximize profits. To be fair, you are much better off as a modern wage slave than a chattel slave of antiquity.
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Dec 11, 2017 09:17
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Sic Semper Goon posted:The same slave drivers executives at Amazon would have been Communist party officials doing the same things for the state, rather than a corporation, with the added bonus of openly murdering gulag prisoners on a whim. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. The only solution to this problem is democratic economic relationships.
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Dec 11, 2017 10:07
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Inescapable Duck posted:I'm pretty sure the American prison population is bigger than the gulags at their height at this point.   (Unicor is American prison labor)
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Well it's not just the slave labor. I think that's a tiny part of it. It's more that a bunch of capitalists rake in profits building, supplying, and maintaining the prisons.
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