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GulagDolls posted:the type of survivor with unlimited night kills, that they can use I wish, night kills would make my job a lot easier.
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jon joe posted:No, but it gives me an excuse to post a lot so I don’t die. Hey! ..... 
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b-minus1 posted:..... My soul isn’t very much in this game. My heart, by force, but not my soul. I refuse to die though, so I’m making a calculated gambit for my own amusement.
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Feb 20, 2018 18:49
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b-minus1 posted:that is a good point. i'm pretty sure i've only played with Sal when he was town, and he was way more active in those games, and wasn't afraid to post reads even if they were wrong. would vote sal if he doesnt show up ##List 1:b-minus1 2:SalTheBard I have a theory and I hope your tinfoil is secure as mine. b-minus1 posted:Would rather lynch one of the 10+ lurkers I looked back at this after the trend in lurker deaths started, and I believe that commentary made by Berman and Sal betrays that they have knowledge that does not. While, this post seemed innocuous at first it began to look concerning here: b-minus1 posted:It’s time to call out LURKING SCUM This too is in retrospect, but I feel like bee was trying to establish a narrative early on that the scum were lurking, when scum killed lurkers that night... b-minus1 posted:very strange nk choices. b-minus1 posted:I think hal was the scum nk, and eat the rich somehow died by visiting their watch target. b-minus1 posted:to be honest, not much. i guess it could go either way, just seemed like hal actually provided a read. i really don't understand why out of all people, scum chose to nk a lurker. b-minus1 posted:actually this is how i feel too. Sal is super weird this game. Really no scum hunting and he hangs on to every weird speculative theory like it's fact. Something is off. SalTheBard posted:Normally I would say cuddling a lurker is scummy but Tobbs has literally only posted 4 times so I would rather go that way than to miscuddle Kash who is actively playing. SalTheBard posted:It looks like LD and Iron Chef will be next. I think this idea of no scum team, race to the most posts or modkilled is great but then why give people investigative abilities??? SalTheBard posted:I actually think this is totally plausible. Maybe our Wincon has something to do with the clubs. SalTheBard posted:50 did you come up with the idea of clubs or was that a directive for you? I wonder if one we set clubs this us going to turn into a club vs club thing, but that doesn't even make sense because that's public. My character sheet has a club on it. Does anyone else's?
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Feb 20, 2018 18:52
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Token Female posted:I would be happy voting for following in no particular order: I literally did the same thing. ##LIST 1. SalTheBard 2.Natural20 Absolutely nothing has changed for me about Sal, and Nat20 has been doing the coasting on the non scum hunting parts of this game I'm probably not going to hit the post count limit as I refuse to just spam the thread like JJ is doing
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Feb 20, 2018 18:57
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Quick, more people react to my claim
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Feb 20, 2018 18:58
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JJ why the gently caress would you claim
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Feb 20, 2018 18:59
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Is that alright JJ?
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Feb 20, 2018 18:59
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Bifauxnen posted:it's not like it's some huge administrative burden here So a lot of this comes from my thoughts having been scum basically all the time and from having modded a bunch of games now. If what you're saying is correct, then our meta strategy D1 in mafia should be for everyone to post Lumpenlists and threaten to lynch anyone who doesn't. But we don't do that. This is because whilst open understanding of motivations enables town members to make better decisions, it is even more beneficial for scum, especially early in game. (At the moment my broad thought is that we're in an effective D1 for this game. D1 and D2 themselves are too muddled with presidential voting and our lynch in D2 was really uninformative. Having not hit scum and with the early days being a void this is effectively just a D1.) Anyway, as a scum player, if everyone posts their motivations and suspicions ahead of time, you're much better able to plan out your ability usage. You can have a scum member people are sus on fail to act, you can kill people in such a way to cause their suspicions to form where you want them to. If everyone posts lumpenlists honestly then it's a genuinely powerful tool for scum's long term game planning. And scum are better able to long term plan because of their informational and communicative advantages. As the game goes on and it becomes harder to cover actions lumpenlists become a stronger tool to force people to engage since motivations are more strongly tied together, but broadly I think they're very bad early game. So the only option a town member has if they want to avoid this is to lie on their lumpenlist to avoid a scum advantage, which renders the entire point, town dissemination of motives absolutely pointless. Additionally if they expose this, they're then accused of lying and are more likely to die. So yeah, basically it's also a bad idea that generally helps scum. As an aside, my list is basically meaningless, I haven't done a thread reread and won't until I get home today, at which point I'll make notes and keep my thoughts to myself. You know what a much better mandate would be? Case a single player of your choice. Start the post with ##case. It doesn't matter whether you come down on the player as Town or Scum, but I expect the post to have 200 of your own words minimum.
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Feb 20, 2018 19:04
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give head or get dead posted:JJ why the gently caress would you claim It all started when I was born. You see, my mother decided to... give head or get dead posted:Is that alright JJ? Yes thank you.
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Feb 20, 2018 19:04
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AA the tinfoil hat looks good on you. but seriously everyone, AA is town and those cases and against me (and sal) are genuine. no way aa is scum imo. however, I'm not scum either. no idea about sal, but it's not looking good for him. and btw I'm not purposely trying to buddy up to you. you were one of my early town reads and nothing you've posted has changed that read.
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Feb 20, 2018 19:09
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##list 1. bread 2. also bread
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Feb 20, 2018 19:11
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##List: 1.bminus 2. AA
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Feb 20, 2018 19:12
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Natural 20 posted:So a lot of this comes from my thoughts having been scum basically all the time and from having modded a bunch of games now. This was a cool post just to ponder overall Mafia theory, but it's not like 50's asking for full lumpenlists. He's just after everyone's top 2 suspects, and that can leave a lot of people's other opinions out. I know I got a lot of other people I'm looking at as kinda scummy. I think in this particular case it's also to directly aid him in deciding the best person to use his download cop on.
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Feb 20, 2018 19:17
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curiousCat posted:##List: 1.bminus 2. AA This is exactly my point.
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Feb 20, 2018 19:17
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:This is exactly my point. huh, what point
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Feb 20, 2018 19:20
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curiousCat posted:##List: 1.bminus 2. AA this is the best one yet
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Feb 20, 2018 19:21
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Bifauxnen posted:This was a cool post just to ponder overall Mafia theory, but it's not like 50's asking for full lumpenlists. He's just after everyone's top 2 suspects, and that can leave a lot of people's other opinions out. I know I got a lot of other people I'm looking at as kinda scummy. I still think these listings are going to be really strong for scum. I know people are smart enough to hide motivations, but it's a lot of free information to operate from. Especially given the cop requires him to die and he can always delay by saying he can get more people as long as he lives. (But then I'm super skeptical of the entire claim to begin with)
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Feb 20, 2018 19:23
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There is a very specific reason the lists were asked for. Unlike the club shenanigans this will have direct impact on the game. ## vote nat20
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Feb 20, 2018 19:25
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It's almost like their responses are coordinated or something
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Feb 20, 2018 19:25
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hmmmmm why would that be
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Natural 20 posted:I still think these listings are going to be really strong for scum. I know people are smart enough to hide motivations, but it's a lot of free information to operate from. man I thought the common wisdom was you don't go spilling all your town reads too quickly so it lets scum know who they can't mislunch, this "don't share your scum reads" either thing is pretty alien to me  I don't think people are gonna want 50 to hang around too long. We know how long his presidential deathproof phase is (2 nights). After that it's probably best for him to fall on his sword and share what he has straight away, in case scum got a jugg or something. Hanging around longer would be better, but not at the cost of losing his info. His fault for coming out and claiming for no reason instead of trying to lie low.
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Feb 20, 2018 19:26
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##list 1. nat 20 2. ngo nat 20's play reminds me of shine. also no one told you you couldn't vote or nominate you decided that yourself? ngo i feel a little less sure after his response re: aliens but has been posting alot with not a lot of content. jj claiming survivor makes me feel better re the setup, has mostly been white noise so would vote to test claim. would also vote are lil d, b-minus tho i read him completely wrong in twewy. cat popping in and out w/o much casing is not good. feeling better about ghgd. flerp seems weird this game, i've only seen him as tonw. sal should post more tho i don't necessarily think he is scum. i don't really trust bread but what you gunna do? gene x id love to hear your case ##vote n20
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Feb 20, 2018 19:26
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Feb 20, 2018 19:27
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Natural 20 posted:I still think these listings are going to be really strong for scum. I know people are smart enough to hide motivations, but it's a lot of free information to operate from. I don’t buy that any possible scumteam has the meta-knowledge required to know how specific players will react to specific deaths based solely or even primarily on readlists I further think that the idea of everyone revealing suspicions being more of a scum-aid than a town+ is dumb, and that the ability to ask people why their reads changed when they change is quite nice (because it’s even harder to bullshit than a read alone.)
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Feb 20, 2018 19:28
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Bifauxnen posted:huh, what point that the buddying has associated me with bee man who is aggressively trying to clear me as town. I mean, I am town, and I appreciate the read, but that reinforcement and continual "OH, AA IS SO TOWN, MY STRONGEST READ" it seems fake, esp. when everyone is usually like, "AA you scumbo, gitgud"
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Feb 20, 2018 19:29
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bif get off of li dawny people get off pmush they die in 6 and a half hours unless they each come and post 15+ times why even bother
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Feb 20, 2018 19:29
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Natural 20 posted:I still think these listings are going to be really strong for scum. I know people are smart enough to hide motivations, but it's a lot of free information to operate from. this first para is an interesting position
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Feb 20, 2018 19:31
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Atomic Soda posted:. cat popping in and out w/o much casing is not good. I don't really case but in this game the only people we've really seen die are kashuno and lurkers the only logical reason for that from my perspective is that there are scum in high postcounts helping to lead discussion and those two have been doing a weird half-buddying thing for a day and a half
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Feb 20, 2018 19:31
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curiousCat posted:bif get off of li dawny yeah, I'm liking some of the cases on Nat20 now but it makes me sad  ##vote Nat
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Feb 20, 2018 19:32
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Bifauxnen posted:yeah, I'm liking some of the cases on Nat20 now but it makes me sad Bif you don't want to do this.
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Feb 20, 2018 19:36
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Feb 20, 2018 19:37
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##List: 1. b-minus1 2. Natural 20 b-minus feels like he's been all over the board trying to get something to stick. Natural 20's post about not sharing thoughts and information in thread, our only method of sharing thoughts and information, seems really bizarre, and I feel he's been around long enough to know that's terrible advice for town.
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Feb 20, 2018 19:40
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Atomic Soda posted:yeah agreed. Hey I think I found the reason why I have a bad feeling about AS Gulagdolls posted a bit about asiina prior to this and also defended dead cow a tad, the actual scumhunting came later. Meanwhile the attribution of “smokescreening” to asiina’s dog gifs just doesn’t strike me as legit, there’s an implication that she’s hiding behind them when the day was spent with Asiina specifically not doing so, turning them into an afterthought In other words I don’t think either read expressed here is genuine or accurate
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Feb 20, 2018 19:43
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Iron Chef Ramen posted:##List: 1. b-minus1 2. Natural 20 Jesus christ. Sharing information is fine. Sharing explicit motivations about two players in a clear, easy to Excel format is bad.
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Feb 20, 2018 19:44
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Like seriously, does nobody actually use excel to remember things from game to game? I'd forget half the people I'd ever played with if I didn't have it.
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Feb 20, 2018 19:45
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i don't and then at the end of the game i usually say something that informs everyone that i had no idea what was happening at all, during the game.
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Natural 20 posted:Jesus christ. what do you mean, "sharing motivations"? Do you mean saying exactly WHY you think they're scum? ...so like scum can try and correct what they're doing? idk, course over-correction can also be a tell Natural 20 posted:Like seriously, does nobody actually use excel to remember things from game to game? I'd forget half the people I'd ever played with if I didn't have it. Well obvi- wait, from game to game? Are you talking like meta poo poo? Oh, no, I got my hands full enough just doing up spreadsheets for individual games.
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Feb 20, 2018 19:48
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wasnt the whole point of the list thing to get people to post their scum reads in easily readable formats so we could look at them and judge them easily??? also im lost as to why this favors scum in any way more than town. its just posting reads which people should be doing anyways.
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GeneX posted:Hey I think I found the reason why I have a bad feeling about AS gulag actually paid attention re: ghgd, which i liked despite now changing my read. i stand by the bit re: asiina though i think her recent posting has been fine. your case seems fake and incorrect. flerp posted:wasnt the whole point of the list thing to get people to post their scum reads in easily readable formats so we could look at them and judge them easily??? exactly getting lots of reads from many people is good for towm or am i going mad?
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