poty posted:

Not sure what beef Serbia has with Schwyz but I hope they can work it out

Bobby Digital posted:

greazeball posted:

Welp, we'll soon find out if being proud of where you're from is a worse crime than drinking the wrong drink: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/23/xhaka-and-shaqiri-goal-celebrations-bring-balkan-politics-to-world-cup

Also,

quote:

Krstajic was less magnanimous when asked about the decision not to award a penalty to Aleksandar Mitrovic in the second half.

“We were robbed,” he said. “I wouldn’t give him either a yellow or red card, I would send him to the Hague. Then they could put him on trial, like they did to us.”

Krstajic also posted photographs from the match on his Instagram account, accompanied by the comment: “Unfortunately, it seems that only the Serbs are condemned to a selective justice, once (it was) the damned Hague and today in football the VAR...”

poty posted:

The pundits in Serbia are not happy about yesterday

https://youtu.be/h4GmSmpjOrU

Coohoolin posted:

holy poo poo lol

greazeball posted:

Welp, we'll soon find out if being proud of where you're from is a worse crime than drinking the wrong drink: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/23/xhaka-and-shaqiri-goal-celebrations-bring-balkan-politics-to-world-cup

Also,

African AIDS cum posted:

Neither of them are from Albania and neither is their family though

Coohoolin posted:

??? Yes they are? Do you think Xhaka and Shaqiri (the q is pronounced ch btw) are common Swiss last names?

Coohoolin posted:

??? Yes they are? Do you think Xhaka and Shaqiri (the q is pronounced ch btw) are common Swiss last names?

Coohoolin posted:

holy poo poo lol

African AIDS cum posted:

Lol at this incredibly condescending nonsense

Are you aware people of Albanian ethnicity are from all sorts of nearby countries like FYROM, Serbia, Greece, etc?

Xhaka was born in Switzerland, his parents were born in Serbia. Shaqiri was born in what is now Kosovo.

HappyCamperGL posted:

Kosovo is Albania.

Tahirovic posted:

It's funny because super Swiss named Blerim Dzemaili says he's Zürcher and nothing else.

Shaqiri and Xhaka are idiots and not just because of what they did last Friday. They simply have a lot of character flaws, which reflects in their playstyle and general attitude.

Tahirovic posted:

It's funny because super Swiss named Blerim Dzemaili says he's Zürcher and nothing else.

greazeball posted:

And the appropriate thing to do when someone says they're from a place is to accept what they say instead of play pedantic geography citizenship lawyer and "well actually" and explain that person's own lived experience to them. Because I guarantee you that there are plenty of people in Zurich who let him know regularly that he is not Zürcher and he never will be so good on him for sticking with it and saying "gently caress you I'm from here".

To look at it a different way, if you moved to a new country, would you tell your kids that they're not from where you're from? Would you tell them not to speak your mother tongue, not to learn your national history, not to care about their grandparents and great-grandparents? What would you tell them when the other kids bully them for having a funny name and eating funny food and not knowing all the intricacies of local life? What would you tell them later when they can't get job interviews or apartment viewings because of their ethnic name? Just forget the past? You only have one home, and it's the place where everyone tells you you don't belong?

It's complicated having dual nationalities and one's loyalties are going to rise and fall at different points and reacting to different things. I guess one nice thing about living in one place your entire life, and where your family have lived for generations, is that you aren't constantly talked down to when you make simple observations. But the fact is that people move now, a lot, and when they do they're not suddenly from nowhere. We don't actually know what Dzemaili's real feelings on the matter are, we just know what he said to a journalist. Maybe it's totally true, or maybe he just knows the Swiss press and didn't want to answer this inane line of questioning. There are no doubt people here who only consider him to be Yugo, but whether or not he feels any affinity for Macedonia or not is entirely up to him and we have to just accept what he says about it and do the same for anyone else.

Tahirovic posted:

It's a silly topic since it's about nationalism. I know what you mean about it being hard, but it's mostly because they made it hard themselves.

Look at all the others where it was a non-issue. Blerim says he's Zürcher because he grew up here, lived his life here, has all his friends here. Yes he does have relations in an other country, but his home is here.
I don't agree with people who tell him this is not his home, I can acknowledge that they exist, you can identify them by their usage of the word Eidgenosse.
Did you ever see Rodriguez wave a Spanish or Chilean flag? If I got it right his mom is from Chile and his dad from Spain, but he grew up in Auzelg/ZH. He had a lot of problems at school and was a bit of a dick in his youth but he never pulled this nationalist poo poo.

One part of this is what others do to you, the second part is what you make out of it.

I'd prefer to talk about Shakiri's bullshit ego plays instead of that eagle sign anyway.

Coohoolin posted:

hmmmm yeah hybrid identity isn't a thing at all, everyone who claims to be more than one thing is lying

greazeball posted:

And the appropriate thing to do when someone says they're from a place is to accept what they say instead of play pedantic geography citizenship lawyer and "well actually" and explain that person's own lived experience to them. Because I guarantee you that there are plenty of people in Zurich who let him know regularly that he is not Zürcher and he never will be so good on him for sticking with it and saying "gently caress you I'm from here".

To look at it a different way, if you moved to a new country, would you tell your kids that they're not from where you're from? Would you tell them not to speak your mother tongue, not to learn your national history, not to care about their grandparents and great-grandparents? What would you tell them when the other kids bully them for having a funny name and eating funny food and not knowing all the intricacies of local life? What would you tell them later when they can't get job interviews or apartment viewings because of their ethnic name? Just forget the past? You only have one home, and it's the place where everyone tells you you don't belong?

It's complicated having dual nationalities and one's loyalties are going to rise and fall at different points and reacting to different things. I guess one nice thing about living in one place your entire life, and where your family have lived for generations, is that you aren't constantly talked down to when you make simple observations. But the fact is that people move now, a lot, and when they do they're not suddenly from nowhere. We don't actually know what Dzemaili's real feelings on the matter are, we just know what he said to a journalist. Maybe it's totally true, or maybe he just knows the Swiss press and didn't want to answer this inane line of questioning. There are no doubt people here who only consider him to be Yugo, but whether or not he feels any affinity for Macedonia or not is entirely up to him and we have to just accept what he says about it and do the same for anyone else.

oliwan posted:

the mean bullies in this forum should read this post before they bully me again for not being swiss but dutch.

The X-man cometh posted:

Case in point: Every American rooting for Germany because great-great-grandpa was born in Silesia or some other "German" area.

Gigi Galli posted:

This is a great post.


Do you actually get offended by this because it's a meme at this point.

Gigi Galli posted:

Do you actually get offended by this because it's a meme at this point.

blue footed boobie posted:

My understanding is that Oliwan is an actual Swiss person who just moved to the Netherlands and started supporting their national team.

Torrannor posted:

He's living in Berlin right now.

Torrannor posted:

He's living in Berlin right now.

greazeball posted:

So you're saying that they are ethnic Albanians but that doesn't count because reasons