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Gripweed posted:Adam Warren, the guy who does Empowered, contributed to a zine that cataloged bath and shower scenes in anime and manga Literally every artist learned to draw so they could draw porn. Osamu Tezuka (creator of Astro Boy) drew vore porn featuring a sexy mouse lady. Joe Schuster (co-creator of Superman) drew softcore bondage porn.
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It's definitely a not insignificant reason why I took up drawing lol
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Mar 4, 2019 02:55
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Even if every artist draws porn there is a spectrum of gross pervness and the Empowered guy is way over there next to people who draw disgusting fetish webcomics.
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Mar 4, 2019 02:58
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Lurdiak posted:Even if every artist draws porn there is a spectrum of gross pervness and the Empowered guy is way over there next to people who draw disgusting fetish webcomics. What do you think Empowered is?
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Mar 4, 2019 03:24
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Empowered has been clawing back from that brink for the last nine volumes. It's definitely not for everyone, but it overcame its origins as somebody's heroines-in-peril bondage commission a long time ago.
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Wanderer posted:Empowered has been clawing back from that brink for the last nine volumes. It's definitely not for everyone, but it overcame its origins as somebody's heroines-in-peril bondage commission a long time ago. Ah stuff it. People make excuses for that garbage all the time and I will never buy it. It's softcore bondage porn, just stop lying to yourselves.
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Mar 4, 2019 03:28
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Yeah you can’t get around the fact it’s fetish stuff is baked into the premise.
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Mar 4, 2019 03:34
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Gripweed posted:Adam Warren, the guy who does Empowered, contributed to a zine that cataloged bath and shower scenes in anime and manga are you expecting anyone to be surprised by this
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Mar 4, 2019 03:43
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is empowered a webcomic or something cuz tbh i hadnt acutally heard of it until just now
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No it’s got physical releases. It’s Dark Horse I think?
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site posted:is empowered a webcomic or something cuz tbh i hadnt acutally heard of it until just now Published in real books and everything. it started off as a series of commissioned superhero in bondage pieces that he strung together with a plot, and eventually he turned it into a real narrative series about an aspiring superhero who fucks up a lot
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Hey guys. As someone who regularly made monthly threads I found the pressure to be smart and witty to be too much and the stress would drive me to early morning drinking and bad life choices so I fully support a quarterly chat thread idea as it will let me get my life back on track. Also we should invite creators to join SA as that will bring in more people who will try drive those creators away.
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Skwirl posted:Literally every artist learned to draw so they could draw porn. Osamu Tezuka (creator of Astro Boy) drew vore porn featuring a sexy mouse lady. Joe Schuster (co-creator of Superman) drew softcore bondage porn. Didn't George Perez stop doing comics to work in superhero fetish porn more? Also, didn't Ditko do some work for a porn comic company?
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Mar 4, 2019 04:36
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Madkal posted:Also we should invite creators to join SA as that will bring in more people who will try drive those creators away. We could all become comic book creators, and drive ourselves away.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Also, didn't Ditko do some work for a porn comic company? If you knew Ditko you would know that the answer to that is a categoric "no". He roomed with an artist who did work on porn, and a lot of people extrapolate based on that, but there's no evidence that they did any collaborations.
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Mar 4, 2019 06:26
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Lurdiak posted:Ah stuff it. People make excuses for that garbage all the time and I will never buy it. It's softcore bondage porn, just stop lying to yourselves. Nah. The last few volumes of Empowered in particular have been pretty much walking the line between playing superheroes straight and parodying them, particularly the last one. It's actually one of the more interesting turnarounds in the field as long as you can get through the first few volumes, although that is going to depend entirely on your tolerance for Adam Warren's style.
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CharlestheHammer posted:No it’s got physical releases. That's a hell of a freudian slip.
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Lurdiak posted:Ah stuff it. People make excuses for that garbage all the time and I will never buy it. It's softcore bondage porn, just stop lying to yourselves. Softcore bondage isn't even close to disgusting fetish webcomics though But there's Sunstone right there, so no reason to read that anyway.
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Between Sunstone and Empowered, I'd think that significantly higher percentage of the people reading Empowered actually read all the word bubbles
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Here's a question for those of you who inexplicably read comics without superheroes in them. https://twitter.com/LeosBoots/status/1102591512335056897 https://twitter.com/LeosBoots/status/1102592508238942208 https://twitter.com/LeosBoots/status/1102592737810022400 WicDiv stands for Image's The Wicked + The Divine there.
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I mean, I can see what she is talking about, but Gillen is pretty clear that everyone in WicDiv is terrible in their own way.
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Endless Mike posted:I mean, I can see what she is talking about, but Gillen is pretty clear that everyone in WicDiv is terrible in their own way. The thing with Woden is that he's unilaterally the most repugnant person in the series and his god-like powers aren't even his, all his ploys and plots are just vanity, and he's eventually torn literally limb from limb, Maenad style, by the women he exploited. There are occasional moments where Gillen lets the character explain where he's coming from, and it's strong writing, but it's strong writing of a morally bankrupt worldview, and other characters invariably call it out as such. He's a gross character, and Gillen has been clear in interviews that writing him makes his skin crawl too. Everything he appears to accomplish is the work of someone else. He's absolutely not supposed to be "right" and I'm legit curious where this person is getting that impression. And if showing a male character being the victim of physical and emotional domestic abuse is MRA poo poo then I don't know-- I guess I just strongly, strongly disagree? I think Wic Div is great, and earns its representations of ethically questionable behavior by framing it explicitly as the actions of people who have convinced themselves that they're above other people. Urdr is also hands down one of my favorite portrayals of a trans woman in contemporary comics, and I feel like Gillen has been super sharp and respectful with her character, so that earns a pretty fair amount of good will from me. How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Mar 4, 2019 |
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Archyduchess posted:And if showing a male character being the victim of physical and emotional domestic abuse is MRA poo poo then I don't know-- I guess I just strongly, strongly disagree? Much like male victims of rape, male victims of spousal abuse get trotted out constantly as an MRA talking point to prove that "both genders do it" or, even more disingenuously, to try and pretend men are more abused in these ways than women are so any woman trying to frame rape or spousal abuse as a feminist issue is actually supporting abuse. That doesn't mean they're not things that really happen, that the victims are invalid or that they shouldn't be discussed, but in certain contexts I can see it being interpreted as a red flag. Like if you go on imgur or reddit's front page, half the time there's some bullshit about a rape allegation being false or a man being attacked by a woman (usually followed by the man body slamming her through a table, but not always). And the fact that those things might be true and portray actual victims isn't the reason they're popular.
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I don't know how many people will care because it's a crowdfunding thing but tomorrow Gabriel Picolo will begin a campaign for a full, coherent story of Icarus & The Sun that he used to post teasers of
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Lurdiak posted:Much like male victims of rape, male victims of spousal abuse get trotted out constantly as an MRA talking point to prove that "both genders do it" or, even more disingenuously, to try and pretend men are more abused in these ways than women are so any woman trying to frame rape or spousal abuse as a feminist issue is actually supporting abuse. That doesn't mean they're not things that really happen, that the victims are invalid or that they shouldn't be discussed, but in certain contexts I can see it being interpreted as a red flag. Right, and MRA's also like to hijack the issue of sexual assault in prison, but that doesn't make carceral abolition or reform an MRA issue, and yielding that issue to the far-right would be a grace disservice to men as well as women and NB people in the prison system. Similarly, detached from the alt-right propaganda machine, I think domestic abuse can and should be discussed as something that men can be the victim of without detracting from the fact that women are hugely disproportionately the victims of it. If someone read WicDiv and got a "not all men" vibe from that subplot, I would say that's an extremely dramatic misreading. It's a plot line about codependency and if it has a major fault, it's in tiptoeing close to the line of blaming the victim.
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I feel like everyone is actually terrible is becoming more and more the lazy go to crutch for stories.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I feel like everyone is actually terrible is becoming more and more the lazy go to crutch for stories. That's also not at all the reading I get from WicDiv or really any of Gillen's books, except arguably Die which seems so far to be about walking back from that presumption? I don't think he has any interest in making a cynical statement about human nature, but he is fascinated, I think, with issues of complicity, and of how people reconcile themselves to unjust conditions rather than fighting against them. This is huge in WicDiv in particular but overall I'd say his ouevre bends way more towards rehabilitative than retributive models of justice, and models of how people interact and live together in general. How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Mar 4, 2019 |
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I stopped reading WicDiv ages ago (really couldn't get into it or care for any of the characters) but it seems like the issue with modern readings is that if you have a villain portrayed with any empathy, or show a story from their view some people immediately assume that the author is being supportive of the villain and their outlook. It is such a shallow reading and really can go a long way to stopping writers from making villains that are 3 dimensional rather than stock villains.
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RIP comic star Luke Perry.  Anyone have any Keith Flint comic appearances?
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Madkal posted:I stopped reading WicDiv ages ago (really couldn't get into it or care for any of the characters) but it seems like the issue with modern readings is that if you have a villain portrayed with any empathy, or show a story from their view some people immediately assume that the author is being supportive of the villain and their outlook. It is such a shallow reading and really can go a long way to stopping writers from making villains that are 3 dimensional rather than stock villains. In fairness, comic book readers have been trained to see that coming. It seems like every comic book villain who isn't an outright mustache twirling evil for the sake of evil monster ends up becoming an anti-hero or a straight-up good guy, at least for a little while.
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Gripweed posted:In fairness, comic book readers have been trained to see that coming. It seems like every comic book villain who isn't an outright mustache twirling evil for the sake of evil monster ends up becoming an anti-hero or a straight-up good guy, at least for a little while. Even the straight up mustache twirlers do it. Dr Doom was Iron Man for a hot minute.
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oh hey the Simpsons is still on 
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I'm home sick today and being feverish must be affecting my judgment. I decided to finally read the clone saga. Somebody talk me out of it. First thoughts: this Traveler guy is really stupid.
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READ IT READ ALL OF IT
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pzy posted:oh hey the Simpsons is still on The show is really, really bad too.
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Mr Hootington posted:The show is really, really bad too. It has been for over a decade now.
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Random Stranger posted:I'm home sick today and being feverish must be affecting my judgment. I decided to finally read the clone saga. Somebody talk me out of it. Where do you live so i can look out for your obituary
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Rhyno posted:READ IT Finished the first arc. It feels like they were trying to Batman up Spider-Man and that was a terrible idea. "This Carnage fight sure is exciting! Let's describe how epic and exciting it in caption boxes while giving you one panel of Spider-Men kicking him!" Hey, kids! This weirdly omnipotent villain is hinting that maybe the Spider-Man you've been reading about for twenty years is a fake! Or maybe not! Better keep reading! Onto Lost Years. At least that one has a consistent writing and art team. And it's John Romita Jr. Edit: Lost Years was surprisingly decent, though I think Marvel's event reading order has the series misplaced. The first issue seemed to be backup stories from issues early on in the saga and that's probably why it was there but the rest of the series seems to come at a later point since Kaine keeps referring to Reily as the real Spider-Man. BTW, Kaine/Kain/Caine/Kayne/Kane is the stupidest name for a character. Congratulations, writer, you know the single most common biblical allusion out there. We'll throw him on the pile with the other six thousand Cains. The next four issue block is The Exile Returns with the Scarlet Spider, so I guess I'm got the high point of this storyline out of the way early. Random Stranger fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Mar 5, 2019 |
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One thing about that era, Steven Butler draws one hell of a Spiderman/Scarlet Spider. Web was easily the best looking book back then.
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I keep wondering, what are Spider-man runs(Preferably something somewhat recent) that really show all the aspects of Peter that readers are so enamored with? I never had any interest in Superior Spider-Man and considering the opinions in this forum, the actual Spidey that follows with Sloth seems to be bad. Once someone recommended The Gauntlet arc as it had a wide range of villains showing up but that was...not good. I have the first volume of Renew Your Vows and it begins with all Avengers dying, Parker murdering Venom and the world turning into a dystopia which was definitely not what I expected from the panels that keep getting posted. Spider-Man & The X-men was exactly my poo poo and it was also six issues long which I guess is how much happiness we're allowed to have. I think Ultimate Spider-Man might be the most simple option, I read the first volume of that and it was one hell of a decompression but it is well loved and self-contained, which is always a plus. Scarlet Spider was too good for this world. edit: That went well 
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