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Oxxidation posted:i wouldn't really call it a fair comparison. beastars wasn't nearly as big and its scope wasn't nearly as wide, and while GoT's collapse was dire it was also comparatively mundane. most of what beastars' last arc tries to pull never would have made it through a writing room, it was the product of a single author either terminally bored of her own work or suffering a breakdown from sudden popularity, maybe both Ooof. My vague understanding is some joker character shows up and dumb poo poo happens. I assume I can just buy the whole boxed manga set at a books a million?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Ooof. My vague understanding is some joker character shows up and dumb poo poo happens. I assume I can just buy the whole boxed manga set at a books a million? the manga's also viewable at the usual places. the art also suffers in the last leg but i think that's mainly because covid got some of itagaki's assistants. covid seemed to hit the production staff for season 2 of the anime as well, because it's a lot more workmanlike than the first, which i think is some of studio orange's best work
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Oxxidation posted:i wouldn't really call it a fair comparison. beastars wasn't nearly as big and its scope wasn't nearly as wide, and while GoT's collapse was dire it was also comparatively mundane. most of what beastars' last arc tries to pull never would have made it through a writing room, it was the product of a single author either terminally bored of her own work or suffering a breakdown from sudden popularity, maybe both You're almost selling me on checking it out if it can make Game of Thrones' last season collapse seem quaint in comparison. I'm always in the mood for enjoying a good implosion.
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It's not really the same type of implosion. GOT just limped to a really dumb ending for its plot, Beastars basically completely changes genres and becomes a weird action battle shonen. Which means 2/3 of the main characters from the first half fall off in relevancy.
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even that's kind of misrepresenting it, since beastars starts as a cracked take on high-school romance, then becomes a gritty yakuza story, then back to high school, then both at once, and then becomes a cat-and-mouse murder mystery with the rest still happening in the background. this is all in the first hundred chapters when quality is still at its peak
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The genre change isn't the main problem with the last part of Beastars. The issue is that its just endless plot arcs that go nowhere, the author has no idea what to do with Haru, and the antagonist completely takes over the plot and has ridiculous amounts of plot armor.
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nine-gear crow posted:God, BNA is so frustrating because it starts out by looking really cool and making you think that it's gonna say something about racism or body dysmorphia or transgenderism and then after spending all of its budget on the pilot episode, it quickly decides its insightful commentary is gonna be a deep hearty belch and it was nothing more than just an excuse for Studio Trigger to create another mascot character for the internet to go nuts over, this time appealing to furries instead of their usual stock of gooners. They need to stop giving the Kill la Kill writer work.
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i loved BNA but i also watched it in complete "brain off" mode and i refuse to engage it further than that cool colors and pictures and sounds! maybe the girls will kiss, in fanart! what else do i need really e: it did the thing where the theme song kicks in at the final battle so honestly A+ series
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mycot posted:It's not really the same type of implosion. GOT just limped to a really dumb ending for its plot, Beastars basically completely changes genres and becomes a weird action battle shonen. Which means 2/3 of the main characters from the first half fall off in relevancy. I mean as long as they don’t completely flush Juno I am tempted to buy a couple volumes from a bookstore Friday.
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mycot posted:Mostly directed at BNA but why does almost every single Fantasy Racism story eventually have some kind of plot device that brainwashes the oppressed group into acting crazy and violent? Generally it's there to provide a dramatic way to have the oppressed underclass rise up or manipulated in a way that avoids the risk of trying to imply they are actually Naturally Bad without having to get into the actual politics of the situation.
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Not really the first time I've heard of a manga making that particular genre jump at the end. I feel like it's rare for a manga or anime to really stick the landing, often it kinda loses its way at some point and then there's a rapid clumsy scramble towards the finish out of nowhere that sometimes feels the need to recontextualize everything. Which is only really notable because often anime provides more of an illusion of momentum and constantly moving forward even if doesn't have an endgame in mind. When a status quo show ends, it usually doesn't have a rats nest of dangling plot threads to tie up in a limited time, and it doesn't need that much space to get a run up to do the ending.
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The best part of Beastars imo is the stop-motion intro and theme song which openly apes Cowboy Bebop stylistically. (Of course they completely changed it in S2)
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I mean as long as they don’t completely flush Juno I am tempted to buy a couple volumes from a bookstore Friday. I have bad news
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my suggestion for beastars fans is to start reading Beast Complex which was also by Paru; they released three volumes in english now and there are a few extra chapters, with even some cameos from the main series. There are a bunch of one-shot chapters which just go insane and they are all amazing.
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They should make another season of the Venture Brothers.
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A bold take, but I support your radical ideas. So does he gently caress/eat the rabbit or what?
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Warbird posted:A bold take, but I support your radical ideas. He wants to do neither, the Rabbit wants to gently caress him because when it comes to sex, she's the predator in the relationship. It's one of the series' more ingenuous twists.
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everybody wants to gently caress legoshi that's it, that's the premise of the show
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Neeksy posted:everybody wants to gently caress legoshi Again, great twist, the nerdy virgin wolf is the prey to a bunch of otherwise prey species who are after him sexually. I love how all the promo stuff for it is like "Oh, is he gonna eat the rabbit?" and then the show is straight up "lol no, the rabbit is going to devour HIM".
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Kinda funny given the whole predator/prey dynamic is something very few actual furries are actually into at all.
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Yeah, Zootopia had the same deal, you could tell the people writing it were going bonkers developing a whole consistent world around all these rules and tropes and prejudices and thinking "this must be what furries are all about" but lol no
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Oxxidation posted:I have bad news Aww drat it. Is she like fridged or something. I actually like her arc so far. nine-gear crow posted:Again, great twist, the nerdy virgin wolf is the prey to a bunch of otherwise prey species who are after him sexually. I love how all the promo stuff for it is like "Oh, is he gonna eat the rabbit?" and then the show is straight up "lol no, the rabbit is going to devour HIM". Yeah, I like that he is clearly just some dude trying to quietly coast through school and do his job right and fight his own instincts and then woops now everyone wants to gently caress me. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Mar 20, 2024 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Kinda funny given the whole predator/prey dynamic is something very few actual furries are actually into at all. Yeah all the furries i know like their animals because they are cool or sexy or neat or whatever and most of the work is just various types of porn or fantasy art or etc. most don’t do some special rule stuff or are going for anything deep. Most oc stuff are either human but animal or cartoon character.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Aww drat it. Is she like fridged or something. I actually like her arc so far. she just gets forgotten, like 90% of the rest of the cast. once the second half’s main villain shows up he dominates the story to the point where there’s barely a scene or conversation that doesn’t involve him. Juno doesn’t fit that, so out she goes
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The terms are "herbivore" and "carnivore"
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Oxxidation posted:she just gets forgotten, like 90% of the rest of the cast. once the second half’s main villain shows up he dominates the story to the point where there’s barely a scene or conversation that doesn’t involve him. Juno doesn’t fit that, so out she goes Yeah that sucks. I like a lot of the characters so far, maybe the anime will tweak some of that. I hate when that poo poo happens in media, where the author gets bored and makes up some joker knock off that sucks all the air out of the room. Like I get you want an actual threat or whatever but like it’s always some ultra competent Ramsay Bolton character or joker knock off psycho who is clearly a mad dog dipshit but is always 20 steps ahead or whatever. It’s never anything interesting. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Mar 20, 2024 |
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I need to watch Cowboy Bebop again because I loved most of it when it was new 20+ years ago primarily because it was an intimate, engrossing character drama with a tiny ensemble cast and didn't have a megacompetent anime villain with swooping windswept hair standing on a cliffside being menacing all the time. And then lo and behold, one shows up and I'm like fffuuuuu
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vicious has a really small role in the show overall (only five episodes, with two of them being two-parters) and works fine for what he is
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Data Graham posted:I need to watch Cowboy Bebop again because I loved most of it when it was new 20+ years ago primarily because it was an intimate, engrossing character drama with a tiny ensemble cast and didn't have a megacompetent anime villain with swooping windswept hair standing on a cliffside being menacing all the time. And then lo and behold, one shows up and I'm like fffuuuuu idk. i dont mind grand villians and poo poo but they are rarely done right. it seems like they either overstay their welcome eat up the entire plot, overstay their welcome and just become a weird annoyance, die in a stupid way or get redeemed badly or have a good arc and leave the plot/die/redeemed in a good way. Mind you, i am "new" to anime. the most i watched was yugioh and digimon and dbz when i was 12. I tried to get into kingdom hearts to impress a girl in high school.
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Oxxidation posted:vicious has a really small role in the show overall (only five episodes, with two of them being two-parters) and works fine for what he is Yeah, it would be silly to put him front and center in a lot of episodes! Why doing that would probably just not work out. Also spoiler is Vicious isn't really omnicompetent. He's good at violence but not much else.
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the only thing more foolish than making vicious a typical recurring antagonist would be if you gave him a big head. just a huge loving head. bulbous funko pop head
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Neeksy posted:Aoyade also kinda burnt up a lot of his goodwill in shilling for Graham Lineham's book Far too many UK celebs are TERF apologists, or outright TERFs themselves. Still, I'd definitely rather know than not.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Kinda funny given the whole predator/prey dynamic is something very few actual furries are actually into at all. Anthropomorphic animals does not automatically mean its meant for furries lol. No matter how much furries try to claim otherwise.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Anthropomorphic animals does not automatically mean its meant for furries lol. No matter how much furries try to claim otherwise. no but they are definetly a whale demo who will buy your poo poo or whale for your project so they are worth sorta courting for that alone at least.
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1000% prefer stuff aimed at furries over stuff aimed at the creepy shut-in demographic.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:no but they are definetly a whale demo who will buy your poo poo or whale for your project so they are worth sorta courting for that alone at least.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Disney probably would prefer not having creepy weirdos being extremely horny about a children's cartoon. Not even whales can outspend hordes of children. The beastars anime is mostly just to sell volumes of the manga, so whales are worthless to them. I mean it worked for Hasbro until it didnt. Megillah Gorilla posted:1000% prefer stuff aimed at furries over stuff aimed at the creepy shut-in demographic. same, that and judging by my current tastes, aimed at theater kids too.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Kinda funny given the whole predator/prey dynamic is something very few actual furries are actually into at all. It's a very common dynamic in a lot of fiction about worlds full of anthropomorphic animal characters to make the meat eating animals into villains while the protagonists or even the common people are likely to be mostly herbivores. Which I guess is fairly logical when you're taking from basic animal stereotypes to set up your characters, and obviously animals that require to kill eachother to survive can't peacefully coexist as sentient beings. Except if a character's basic nature from birth makes them a villain, that dramatically reduces room for nuance and dynamics. It also doesn't really reflect any real-world dynamics, because generally in the real world there's not a hard and fast carnivore/herbivore separation, while there are some obligate carnivores, it's biologically pretty simple for any animal species to process meat if the opportunity rises. Sometimes deer or turtles will kill and eat birds, it just happens. All the animal species are not friends with eachother, it's rare that they'll even be sociable within their own species. Ocean life is even weirder when people try to think in those terms, because most fish eat other fish, there's seldom a real line. There's a lot of sedentary animals that seem like plants, and while it seems harmless for creatures to chow down on plankton, a lot of fish species start small enough to get eaten by plankton eaters.
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Beastars is worth getting the manga for very cutely-drawn animals often doing animal things. This owl does not loving matter, but I enjoy every minute of his existence:  Lookit this squishy bunny:  Lookit these waggle dogs:  Not pictured is the nudist seal, who is amazing.
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